Yall should remove some of these animal words and instead add different words for like the 5 different meanings of "spring"

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[+] 83 points 7 months ago (15 children)
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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The good ol' "All tortoises are turtles but not all turtles are tortoises"

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  • [+] -13 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    True, in British English! American English doesn't differentiate.

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    That's not true at all. American English absolutely differentiates them in exactly the same way.

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  • [+] -13 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    I don’t seem to ever get corrected, chewed out, or bitched at when I call the animal with shell and legs a turtle, and I talk about turtles a lot. More than you’d ever know.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    All tortoises are turtles, but not all turtles are tortoises. Generally tortoise implies that it is mostly land based, but it's not a rigorous definition. You can call all of them turtles all day long and still be correct, but that doesn't mean that American English doesn't still have the same connotations for turtle and tortoise that British English does.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I just do in English what I’d do in Japanese: see turtle? If feets, land turtle. If flippers, sea turtle.

    🐢

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    In common speech Japanese conflates way more animals than English does, including turtles/tortoises. I just had to look up rikugame because I'd only ever heard kame before. If you're a scientist or at a turtle conference I'm sure the distinction gets used, but otherwise it goes along the lines of pigeon/dove, alligator/crocodile, rat/mouse, etc.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I grew up speaking Japanese. I know this already.

    I’m choosing to believe that rather than explaining my own language back to me, that you’ve made that comment for the sake of audience notes, so people who don’t speak Japanese can follow along from the comfort of their own toilets.

    Otherwise it’s kinda cringe.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I don't know what you know. Your comment above about US English not distinguishing between turtle and tortoise wasn't accurate, so I'm also not sure what you were trying to say with the explanation about the Japanese separation.

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  • [+] 31 points 7 months ago* (last edited 4 months ago) (4 children)
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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    German: that toad looking thing has a shield on it

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Easy! A turtle is flippy flips and a tortoise is clompy clomps.

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  • [–] 44 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Simple!

    Turtle: pretty chill dude cruising the East Australian Current

    Tortoise: teaching Pandas Kung-Fu

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    Damn kids, in my day turtles lived in the sewer eating pizza and doing ninjutsu.

    shakes cane

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Those clearly were tortoises though :D

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    Technically they're (mutated) terrapins (specifically red-eared terrapins).

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    So, tortoises, and thus also turtles...

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    A turtle lives in water, a tortoise lives on land. A turtle's not a tortoise, it's not hard to understand.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    in dutch theyre called landschildpad and zeeschildpad (landshelltoad and seashelltoad)

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago (1 child)

    But zeeschildpad doesn't include things like box turtles that live near bodies of water but not all the time, right? I guess here in Belgium we just use "schildpad" for everything.

    It also sounds cooler to translate it to shield-toad lol

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    idk what a box turtle even is 😭 but here in the netherlands we call all of them "schildpad" too. literally no normal human here will say "look a zeeschildpad" (except for biologists probably)

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  • [+] [S] -32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Most humans live above ground level, you sound like your live in your mother's basement. Doesn't make you a different species, does it?

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So you're just admitting you don't understand taxonomy

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Technically this is nor taxonomy, since we aren't talking about relatedness. This is just linguistics.

    explanationLand dwelling evolved multiple times in turtles, like in box turtles, which are not in the clade of tortoises, but would fit the common definition of tortoise.

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Tortoises are Turtles, but not all Turtles are Tortoises.

    This isn't an English thing, this is a taxonomy thing. It should be the same in any language, just with different words used.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Both are translated "tortue" in french However to be fair, it could be specified "Tortue marine" and "Tortue terrestre"

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This is your reminder that taxonomically fish and trees do not exist.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago

    Tortoises are land animals. Simple.

    Frogs and toads might be a better one - there's no systematic difference except toads are ugly.

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    The biggest difference is that turtles live in and around water, while tortises are entirely land based.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is like the hare and rabbit thing... (what are the differences?)

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Would be simpler just to call them turtles and landturtles.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago

    They are waaaaaay different what are you talking about..

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    All tortoises are turtles (but not all turtles are tortoises) from a biology point of view. Tortoises specifically being exclusively land-based members of the turtle (Testudines) order. So there is a difference.

    And “spring” doesn’t really have different meanings - as per the root of the word, it always means some variant of “to burst forth”. There’s lots of different definitions for the word but they’re all rooted in the same place, from an etymology point of view.

    The season bursting forth from the winter darkness and cold, the metal coil as it bursts forth when released from compression, the source of water as it bursts forth from the ground, bursting forth someone out of jail, etc.

    Homographs are the real problem - when two different words, over time, become spelled the same.

    Sow, lead, close, bear. All have multiple etymologies where different words eventually became spelled the same. Those are the worst!

    English is a truly crazy mashup of Latin, Greek, French, German, Celtic, Norse and more.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    English: owl

    German: Eule, Uhu, Kauz

    French: Hibou, Chouette

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    If you think "spring" is bad, go check how many different meanings there are for the word "set".

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    "off" is one my favourites. The alarm went OFF so we had to turn it OFF. It means the opposite of itself.

    "Sanction" is another example. Your actions were not sanctioned by us, so as retaliation we're introducing sanctions against you.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    As we run the run of the route in rehearsal, I run the company’s schedule so the show runs on time, the engine runs and the lights run off backup power while the road runs north along a river that runs high and the dye might run in the rain, and as the contract runs a year and a rumor runs through town, I run for office to keep the operation running smoothly, avoid a run on supplies, keep late cues from running over, prevent us from running out of time or letting costs run up, run through notes and run them by the team, run tests and run the numbers, run lines until they run together, run a tight ship so nothing runs afoul of the rules, run risks we can afford, run hot when we must, and keep the whole run unbroken.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    A tortoise is a kind of turtle, just like a toad is a kind of frog.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    My box turtle mostly lives on soil, although he enjoys a paddle and soak in his water. But the main difference from a tortoise is that he's omnivorous, needing protein like bugs, whereas they are herbivores.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Fun fact, Eastern box turtles are illegal to keep as pets in Ohio if captured in the wild.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Mine was raised from the egg of a non wild turtle by someone else who found themselves unable to care for it and asked me to give it a home.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Well a tortoise could never become a ninja.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    One is an animal and the other a military formation, duh.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    🤓🪤
    The pedant trap has been set…

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  • [–] 5 points 6 months ago

    One has a flat head the other has a plus sign head like the difference between crocodiles and alligators or ravens and writing desks

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    This title sentence works multiple ways. My cat is unable to speak English, because it has far too many words beyond the word meow.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    If you don't know the difference between turtle and tortoise then you are a monkey

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Apes evolved from dry-nosed monkeys, so despite the popular wisdom, according to monophyly we are monkeys. Similarly humans are fish. The confusion arises because most people still group species by common characteristics (a grade) rather than common descent (a clade). Also known as Linnean vs phylogenetics.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    not as much as for plants, the non-scientific names.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The spring comment is valid.

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