ITT: tons of people defending capitalism by forswearing the last 200,000 years of social progress.

To quote Bernie, who might have been quoting someone else: poverty isn't an inevitability. It's a policy choice.

Remember that capitalism is designed to force you to work under threat of death by starvation. You never had freedom to choose what to do with your lives it was chosen for you.

If we wanted to perform labor, we wouldn't have invented machines or fantasize about robot butlers.

When I was like 13, 14 when my parents were really pushing me to get a job, I already didn't want to work. Decades later, I still don't want to work, and I like what I do. There's a reason I play the lotto, it's the only way I'm getting out of this shit-cycle. I'd like to spend more time hanging out with my nieces and nephews, who are growing up so fast. My grandparents only have a few years left at best, I've already missed out on spending the best years I could with them. Saw my dad last year, probably the first in nearly a decade in of itself. I want to spend time just sitting at a beach watching the waves come in. Or seeing a mountain for the first time.

I don't want to work. I've never wanted to work. Don't get me wrong, I wouldn't do nothing, I don't want to be lazy. Like, my ideal "job" is working in engineering on the Enterprise with Geordi. But that can't happen. So really I just want enough money so if I do work, I have enough money to tell upper management their plans "aka shit they saw on LinkedIn" is fucking stupid. What you going to do fire me, I'd be rich, that's not a threat! Eat shit you overpaid worthless peices of shit... (I might have some things to work on...,)

Honest work is just fine. What I don’t like is high pay for bullshit work and bullshit pay for honest work.

What we've been trained to identify as "work" under this power hierarchy is more definitively "toil". The definition has been overridden so that we cannot differentiate the bait and switch.

Work is labor that benefits the person doing it, is self-actualizing, is voluntary, and is an overall positive experience.

Toil is labor without clear benefit. It is not fun. It is repetitive and draining. It is often involuntary or coerced.

For most who labor under capitalism, the labor they perform is not actually work, but toil.

People do want to work! Loads of people build all sorts of things for the joy and satisfaction of the craft. Plenty of people volunteer to help people - literally the definition of doing something you don't have to do! Anyone that says that isn't work is delusional.

We need a new word for what we call "work". No one wants to be exploited for their effort, but most people have always had the desire to do some sort of work.

am unemployed and volunteer my time to help the community, have never been so busy. will have more time to rest once I get a job

I just want the freedom to eat cheese in foreign places, without the need to pay thugs at borders to get to the next place with cheese.

People want to be useful. What people don't want is to have the surplus value of their labor stolen from them. People are cool with working and helping out others as long as they actually get to reap what they sow and not have it stolen from them.

No i think that some people do want to work. I actually use it for my definition of what being "politically right" means. How else do you prove that you're superior to other people if not through your hard work? At least that's the mindset there.

Consider as an example the Nazis in germany. They waged war against their neighbors to prove to the world that they were better soldiers, more industrious, more hard-working, and therefore deserve to live more than their neighbors. That was literally the whole point. Showing that you can build more machines, more guns, more engines, ...

Does my desire to rot mean nothing to you, ma’am? (Rest is different than that, for those who don’t understand and are haters)

I’m moderately pro work, but a honest day’s work deserves and needs to be paid a honest days wage

Also people do want to work but the Epstein class refuses to pay a fair wage. It’s that rich and powerful refuse to pay their workers a fair wage

I dunno, I work for a professional body for scientists and I still don't feel fulfilled. I'm doing work that is (supposedly) helping better the human race, but it sure doesn't feel that way.

On the flipside of that...

There are tonnes of jobs that need to be done but that nobody likes to do. Take garbage disposal. Very few people are willing to do this, and the people that do this surely don't get paid even nearly enough.

There aren't jobs you'll find many volunteers for. Sometimes there is just work to be done and somebody has got to do it

Whilst I agree, and capitalism sucks, I will give it credit for one thing. The build up of trade between nation states has helped reduce wars between trading partners as trade is a major part of capital.

But I also work for a government (non-US) so not exactly flying a capitalistic flag