her books were always about her "real beliefs" just hidden behind her writing. family guy joked about her writing-anti-trans years before she went full terf.
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I mean yeah, so long as you're not actually giving money to the evil woman that wrote those books in any way, nobody's stopping you from enjoying your old Harry Potter books and DVDs.
Heck, if you're missing one you can buy it on eBay second hand, just so long as you're not supporting the evil woman with a shiny new purchase, ya know? That woman doesn't deserve a penny.
There's a separate conversation you might want to have with yourself on whether your can separate the author from the work while you're reading it, of course, and whether you're comfortable doing so or not is a personal decision you'll have to make for yourself.
Even better, pirate it and instead donate the money to trans rights groups.
No no, haven't you heard. Pirating stuff is actually supporting the creators!
I'm gonna need someone to explain this lol
Leftist virtue signaling where nothing you do is ever actually good enough, basically
I still don't get it, honestly
In another comment someone said that popularity of shows etc. Is measured by torrent numbers
Not sure how that helps creators, honestly. No money from torrenters are going to the creators, by torrenting. Unless they decide to buy collectors' merch in the end, of course.
While mostly yes, all of that affects others opinions of the books, which can increase her sales and fund her hate.
I'll like HP again when she's dead.
I WAS that Harry Potter fan. The overly obsessed nerd who was waaaaaay to into it. But now I'm over it because fuck Rowling.
I'm in the exact same boat. I don't want her to even get THOSE numbers. Like how HBO bragged about got piracy numbers
The entire franchise is just so fucking mid, I don't understand why people worship it so much. The invented language in particular is cringe as fuck and sounds like shit a child would come up with.
Yeah see this is my whole main problem.
The writing and story are just... ok?
I could identify the racist tropes and body shaming just interwoven into the whole series before I hit puberty.
Oh then of course slavery is good sometimes actually, here I invented a scenario where this is true.
I got bored of Harry Potter, and just reread Animorphs.
Which certainly has problematic characters and moments and events... but ... they are bad things, that the characters have to actually deal with, its a much more complex and engaging story overall, imo, though of course the serial format means that some books are not so great in comparison to others.
Kinda the same thing with Redwall.
The Sorting Hat really sells it.
Kudos Erinπ₯
A better alternative.

I tried to watch Owl House but it is too boring for me :(
it gets better.
It's also meant for kids.
I have a better Teens show in my banner.
We even made a recent π§΅ about this.
It might work better if you recommend them an alternative. "Don't do this" is bad instruction. "You can do this instead" is better.
I've heard good things about Discworld, for one.
Recommendations may be nice, but I doubt it can replace the childhood nostalgia for a lot of people.
I have a lot of nostalgia for Final Fantasy 7. Amazingly, when I played Trails in the Sky many years later, I did kind of feel that nostalgia for a well-made JRPG. I guess Iβm saying itβs possible.
Yes you can. You donβt speak for all of us. Many of us moved on and expanded our pallet just fine and are happier for it.
Itβs actually really good for your brain to keep finding new things for developing it.
You can definitely experience nostalgia for things you've never experienced before.
If it replaces the childhood nostalgia of at least one person, it will have been worth it.
Discworld is great but something else entirely. Closer comparison would be Percy Jackson or a more ya magic school would be the scholomance books
If you're looking for something to read and haven't read it yet, try Douglas Addams The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. It's (edit: not) public domain.
It's not even close to Harry Potter, more of a sci fi comedy, but you won't regret reading it. When I finally got around to reading it, I couldn't put it down after I started, and this was well into the time where I was mostly playing video games instead of reading anything. Iirc, I read the first two in that first sitting, went to sleep, then read the rest the next day.
You want comfort British wizard comfort characters: read the Rivers of London series.
I am going to admit I enjoyed the series a lot 20 years ago, can't say I've read ger stuff since the series ended and haven't done anything to support her since the whole TERF thing came out and she started showing what sort of person she was. I recently picked up my old books to see if they held up and by god is it filled with bigoted stereotypes, Cho Chang (two last names) for the Chinese girl, Goblins being the obvious stereotype/alehory of Jews from a European who was "open minded" about Jews pre ww2 but still wanted to make sure that they deserved some of the bad shit that happened to them because they're vicious even if unfair wizard laws were passed, the black auror being called Shackelbolt, the wezeleys being very much catholics for being poor with too many kids, the french being snobbish bafoons but classy, the Centaurs being either polytheists or gypsies, the list just goes on and Harry being the hero just gets rid of the head Nazi while leaving the institutions and culture in place, doesn't even think about the slavery aspect except for Dobby, and he and Ron make fun of Hermione for her pushing for their freedom. I guess the reason why people enjoy the series is because the world feels somewhat real and magical because she put her imagination and bigotry into the story and never thought of trying to have the protagonists actually solve a major issue and will let it fester.
The really weird thing is how many LGBTQ folks latched onto HP in its early releases as what was recognized to be a kind-of pro-queer YA novel.
You had a young boy who was literally in the closet, disowned and disrespected by family, who is spirited away to a magical school where his differences are valued and cultivated. He's got a bunch of friends who could easily sub in for queer icons. There are gender-bending magical spells, the bad guys are explicitly fascist, most books end with some kind of "The power of friendship and love will triumph!" rejoinder. FFS, Dumbledore is canonically gay.
It is far more a testament to the psychologically corrosive power of plutocracy that JK Rowling went off the rails. I don't think it's unfair for people to like the books and hate the author. Just remember not to pay for anything and you're fine.
It's most probable that Rowling is actually trans, but refuses to accept it. Denying it along with degrading empathy due to her financial success just creates a void she feeds with hostility. This leads to guilt, more hostility due to "shame", etc. Her books portray her actual feelings, but she fell off the wagon because she believes it is shameful to accept a different gender. She has even said that she wished she was a boy. Regardless, funding any kinda hate group is fucked. Believe what you want, but don't try and stop people from having their own joy if it's not harmful.
Itβs most probable that Rowling is actually trans, but refuses to accept it.
I've heard this speculated extensively. It would certainly be ironic.
But I'm more prone to believe she's one more British Fascist, poisoned by money and a growing circle of reactionary hysterics.
She has even said that she wished she was a boy
A lot of that stems from British entrenched misogyny. Wanting the privileges of masculinity, as much as the actual biology.
While the cultures are different, I don't get it. Women in the US basically have a "just cause I lack a penis, doesn't mean I am not equal" mentality. And women earned rights in the UK before the US. Just seems like the misogny would be less over there. Then again, racism was on the decline here, and now it's like everyone has a golden ticket to be bigoted assholes, so...
No she's just trying to sell the idea that being trans is a tactical choice just like how she put JK instead of Joanne on her book cover so more boys would buy it.
Standard terf belief is that trans men just sometimes wanted to do boy stuff as a kid but didn't because of sexism and are too cowardly and weak to stand up for themselves so they treacherously try to join the enemy. As part of trying to convince herself and other people that's how it works she has to do her own Evangelical "I smoked crack every day before I found Jesus" thing.
I think she's actually talked about how she'd have been trans if she had been born in a more trans-friendly age.
Like you also theorise, maybe that's what making her so mad, other trans people getting to have lives outside the closet when she was too afraid to.
Oh wait you had that in there
She has even said that she wished she was a boy.
My bad read it too fast
Nah, that seems pretty unlikely.
That story she tells about wanting to be a boy is basically tailor-made to drum up sympathy for her while shooting down a carefully-constructed strawman that doesn't actually resemble the real experiences of body dismorphia, but superficially appears as though it could.
Keep in mind, it's also the series where one of the fascist teachers kills the retroactively gay character but had a good reason for doing so and is actually not a baddie at all.
O don't mind anyone enjoying media from problematic figures if they enjoy it. I just don't want those fans to monetarily support those figures.
Sail the high seas if you wanna partake in such content.
To that I would add that if you want to recommend such content to others it should preferably done with the addition of how others could access it through alternative means. Just to reduce the chance the recommendation leads to any extra income.
are we allowed to do that here
um
I can
But I think most people on Lemmy already know
Sorry I'm high
You're doing great, friend. You mean like talk about torrenting? Mostly yes. Looks like your instance says you can talk about piracy, so long as you don't link to any pirated content, or links to piracy sites. I guess you can still talk about streaming or file sharing platforms that show up on the first page when you google.
Even if you download it and J.K.R. doesn't see a penny you're still engaging with media that is anti-trans and that's just as bad. There is no ethical consumption of her work, full stop.
Is there anything anti-trans in Harry Potter?
I genuinely don't know. I've never read or watched it.
There is nothing in the books itself that is anti trans (AFAIK and remember), it is that people equate her works with her political views which are anti trans. As a most likely trans person myself (still working out the details of it, stay tuned) I have a real struggle at my hands. On the one hand her books were a massive part of my childhood and early teens. I waited in line out side book stores to get the newest one. On the other hand she uses the money she gets from licenses and the IP to fund anti trans organisations. She also uses her fame / reach to spread TERF points of view. I enjoy and love the world she created back then but I cannot in good conscience consume anything that supports her now. Not any merch, series, film or game.
I on my ow may not make a difference but the sum is more than it parts. If enough ppl. start voicing their objection to her and her views, boycott the new stuff because of her, some change might be possible. If not, sacrificing something I loved growing up is an acceptable price to pay to keep me and others safe.
Do not beat yourself up for enjoying things just because the overarching capitalist system exploits your enjoyment to fuel bigotry and oppression. There is no ethical consumption under capitalism. So long as you yourself are not directly committing harm, don't shame yourself for reading a book, watching a show, enjoying a soda, or whatever other little comfort that helps you stay sane in this capitalist dystopia.
Is it fair? No but the system wasn't designed to be fair.
HOW are the Harry Potter books Anti-trans? Where in ANY of the books do they promote Anti Trans attitudes?
How is this difficult to understand? She wrote the books. The books are hers. The books themselves promote anti-trans attitudes, regardless of whether or not they have anti-trans themes. Anyone who still consumes any of her work is transphobic. It really is that simple.
You didn't address the questions at all.
HOW are the Harry Potter books Anti-trans? Where in ANY of the books do they promote Anti Trans attitudes?
Someone doesn't understand the concept of "separate the art from the artist"
Your overly simplistic take is just naive. It actually isn't "that simple". You are.
You realize your argument is like, "ALL muslims are terrorists!" right?
I don't know, but as I grew older and the world became more harsh, out of cynicism I stopped investing in so much pop culture and especially personalities who have or could possibly make an about-face.
I get there are workarounds like piracy and buying second-hand, but also boycotting a book-series and some merch shouldn't be that hard surely?
Yeah. There's a lot of literature. Don't have to marry this one. When Gaiman was found to be a creep, I gave up some of my favorites. And yet there is still more to fill the gap.
Thereβs a plethora of artists to choose from that arenβt assholes. These folks keep talking about opening mind to other points of view. If thatβs their stance then they can open mind to new options.
The best way to enjoy something that may benefit a problematic person is to simply acquire it in a way that doesn't benefit them. Perhaps whilst on board a ship with a nice barrel of grog.
You're not wrong, but even if you pirate the show and tell people about it, they might watch and buy it. I don't believe HP is something worth throwing anyone's beliefs away.
True, if you decide to partake of something like that and then converse about it with others, it is your duty as a traveler of the high seas to then provide them with an "ethically sourced" copy.
Honestly in my friend group I would rather explain in great detail my masterbation habits then tell them I watched HP. But then again I disliked the franchise before it was cool, I watched most of the first movie and it just felt like they were telling people "hey suck up all the abuse and be meek and one day you will be cool"
OK, this is a tough one and what I'm about to say might get me some dislikes. Let me just say something that might soften the blow: Fuck Rowling, her transphobia, and the bigots that defend her wretched views. Even if she decided, in an alternative timeline, to keep her loudmouth shut, she would still be the scum of the earth for her views on trans people. I repeat, Fuck Rowling.
Now, with that out the way, let's address the crux of the issue. I know that many of you in the LGBTQ+ community grew up with the franchise and enjoyed it long before Rowling exposed her true colors. If you're LGBTQ+ and you decide to reconcile, in some way, with the franchise without directly supporting Rowling, you're well within your rights to do so. The nostalgia you feel for something that brought you joy in your youth is yours to keep. No one, not even the creator themselves, can take that from you. As for the products themselves? You can: buy the books secondhand, pirate the movies, pirate the EPUBs if you have an e reader and buy fan-made merch from LGBTQ+-friendly sellers.
If decided to not reconcile with the franchise, you're also well within your rights to do so. Rowling has to made aware of the damage her views have on people. Demonstrate the hypocrisy of writing about a group of outsiders finding a place of acceptance and discovering their true selves and espousing bigoted rhetoric towards a discriminated group wanting acceptance for their true selves. There's plenty of other fictional universes you can draw your attention towards (more on that in a moment) that are far less problematic and worthier of your time.
If you're an ally (like myself), it's best that we don't engage with the franchise all together out of support. For me, this isn't a problem since I didn't engage with the franchise all that much in my youth (I was more of a LOTR fan). If you do decide to reconcile, much of what I have already said still applies.
In short, the question of reconciliation is a personal matter. So long as Rowling isn't benefiting, you should be happy with your decision and the stand you take. As for alternatives? Well...
The already mentioned Lord of The Rings
Dune series
Discworld
Elric of MelnibonΓ©
Wheel of Time
Discworld, hands down. Toss the terf and load up on Monstrous Regiment (and dwarfs)
How about Warhammer universe?
Huge universe, both futuristic and ancient world exists, lots of lore, lots of different fractions, tons of video games and minis as well. If some specific fractions are avoided it shouldn't be hostile towards marginalized groups or at least I'm not that aware of it.
^(Warning: Plastic crack can be addictive, please consult with your financial advisor before starting)
I'll confess to keeping one item of HP merch. It's a cup that we use for scooping car litter.
I've lost a lot of favorite musicians that turned out to be either creepy abusers or rabid zionists; I think HP fans can read another fucking book.
I read the books, but I was 14 and it was 2000. Haven't consumed any of it since.
I was 14 and it was 2000
Quite the age difference there.
Same, and I might add, they're not that good. In my personal opinion, they get worse as you go. The last book was a slog man
Almost 40 eh? I'm right behind you buddy..
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