Lmao Trump sees an opportunity to swindle and is all over it. Art of the deal!
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I know the man is just throwing mud at the wall to see what sticks, but the whiplash from "civilizational erasure" and "back to the Stone Ages" to "buddy-buddy halfsies on illegal tolls" is a little much.
This is insane. I don't know why this hasn't got wider news coverage.
I were not able to find a better news article, but this news article somehow failed to mention the central fact that anybody demanding tolls, whether Iran or USA or both, is unambiguously illegal under international law. It is an international strait, and there is right of navigation for ships. Legal Eagle describes why the tolls are illegal: Trump’s Illegalist War Gets Illegaler.
is unambiguously illegal under international law.
Oh honey...
Well what will happen is that US courts will declare it illegal, but after attention spans have moved on, so the end result will be that Iran just wins in the end, and oil gets more expensive.
This specific part of international law has been almost universally observed for many decades. It actually matters.
Yeah because the law is the one thing that can stop Trump, right? Let's stop kidding ourselves. The only thing proven to stop Trump is leverage and force. It doesn't even take that much because he's so stupid he can't usually figure out ways around it.
The problem is that the US extorting protection money from merchant ships for passing in an otherwise free international waterway makes the US government look like a mafia state. Which it may very well be, although it tried to avoid making it this clear before.
Everybody benefits from the free trade system working - and that depends on international freedom of navigation law being respected. Also Trump voting Republicans, and Republican Congressmen, benefit.
In a sane world, US voters would stop Trump. In their own rational self interest.
Huh? This news has been posted multiple times on here over the past 3 days.
It’s fully within the territorial waters of Iran or Oman. I’m not an international law expert but it seems that it’s a practiced convention not a legally enforceable rule.
Besides, international law is about who has the bigger stick.
It’s fully within the territorial waters of Iran or Oman. I’m not an international law expert but it seems that it’s a practiced convention not a legally enforceable rule.
The right of "innocent passage" in a country's territorial waters is guaranteed by the UNCLOS. It's a legally binding rule since both Iran and the USA have signed the convention.
But both have probably also violated a dozen of international conventions since the start of the war, so that's mostly besides the point.
not a legally enforceable rule.
Anything is enforceable with enough bombs, if there is a will. Any previous US President, Democrat or Republican, would have enforced it no question.
K? Are we supposed to look up to previous US presidents as authorities on international law?
This strait dictates world economy? Of course trump wants to install a toll booth there with the money going straight to him and his cronies
All that after a war with Iran, of course
Deluded dipshit
The bigger irony of this is that a Trump actually doing this would further turn the world away from the US. If it was just Iran imposing the toll, over time the international community would sour on Iran for not moving past the war. This would economically benefit the US more than any direct cashflow from a toll ever would, as it would stabilize devestment from America. Now nobody will ever blame Iran for the toll, solidifying the loss in American soft power forever.
I don't think it would be between the US and Iran, but rather a Trump-Iran joint venture. You know, to further compensate for his hard work.
“Joint venture” wherein the USA saves a few trillion dollars by standing down in Iran, and Iran tolls every ship that passes.
Art of the Deal.
here's a joint venture idea to Trump: your goal is to fuck off as much as you can with your buddy Israel, and Iran does the toll collecting. Iran get benefits from tolls, and you get benefits by stabilising gas prices over time.
Gosh, I wonder what Iran thinks about that idea? The article has this to say:
Any “joint venture” was not part of Iran’s 10-point peace plan that the U.S. agreed to and the president previously called “workable.”
And that's it! Guess this one is still in the "concept of a plan" phase.
Is anyone else considering it?
Any random country with a navy coming to collect a toll like some sort of sequential highway robbery would be pretty funny.
That is the question. The current world system depends on there not being these kinds of tolls. But if Trump legitimizes them, then world trade could be fucked.
The current system has worked so well for so long, people don't even seem to realize how much wealth it generates for everybody. And that it doesn't need to be this way. Actually not unlike what happens in the US, if the rule of law collapses completely.
He would me more successful in trying to proclaiming reality into being if he said he was considering getting a pony.
WHAT THE FUCK IS GOING ON AROUND HERE? DID A SATIRE WRITER GET PROMOTED TO WRITING REAL LIFE? SOMEBODY MAKE LIKE SHE-HULK AND GO YELL AT THE PRODUCER OF THIS SHITSHOW REALITY!
"I'm really thinking about partnering with them to take some of that money they are never going to give me"
I'm considering a 'joint venture' with all billionaires where they give up all their wealth and we end world hunger, homelessness, and suffering.
Also my pet pig is considering a 'joint venture' with a set of wings to see how far he can fly.
We'll see which of these three happens first.
Trump realizing that he can't win. So he's just gonna pretend he's on the other side.
The "Make Iran Great Again" is real.
- End to sanctions
- Control of the strait with a toll that didn't exist before
- Price of oil absolutely boosting Irans economy
- Still have Uranium and should absolutely make a nuke. The North Korea defense doctrine is proven correct.
Damn. Iran literally couldn't get a better deal here.
All they'd have to do is call it the Trump Peace Tariff and wire him a cut of it and he'd let them set it as high as they want.
Holy shit you are right. Do you think if they gave him a big enough direct cut they might even beat Israel for his love?
I doubt it. I think Trump has a special humiliation fetish when it comes to Israel.
With 20 million barrels of oil going through the straight daily, there's certainly be plenty of grift to go around if Trump somehow got them to allocate fees to his knockoff UN in the name of 'peace'.
The amount of grift in the military industrial complex and the value of arms shipments to Israel likely outpaces what he'd realistically get out of Iran. Regardless of the outcome of the war, oil profits and arms shipments are up, and Trump is undoubtedly getting kickbacks from it.
That and put his name on something. He'd call them "best friends" then.
The Islamic Republic’s previous proposal to toll vessels drew criticism from Secretary of State Marco Rubio. He blasted the potential “tolling system” as “illegal” and “dangerous for the world,”
I just want to put emphasis that Marco Rubio is the straight man in this comedy routine, cause what the heck?
Tolls are dangerous to the world.
An entire siege on a small Island nation who's only crime against the US has been the purging of slave plantation owners nearly 60 years ago, well, that's just "strategic" economics.
Fuck little Marco. He deserves to be [redacted] and [redacted] and then [redacted] like Mussolini in the town square.
If anything it should be a joint venture between Iran and Oman, the country on the other side of the strait that's mostly getting ignored in all this.
Actually Iran offered Oman to charge on the toll as well and had I think offered some specific options for split.
Oman did not like the idea of angering the other countries as much and might regret it, since I think Iran will end up charging ships.
He always lies.
What happened is that he made the biggest threat he could (using nukes) and that still didn't work (perhaps he was planning to go with it and military refused? That firing of generals including one chaplain is suspicious) so he TACOd and to still claim a victory he now tries to play that he is actually on Iranian side of this war.
Well, there is this from the linked article:
Some of the accumulated fees would also be presented to Oman, though how the nation would use them is unclear.



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