As Canada lowers its tariffs and imports more electric vehicles from China, an upcoming report from New York-based labour rights researchers is making new allegations of forced labour practices at the world's bestselling EV manufacturer, BYD.

China Labor Watch (CLW) received a complaint last fall from one of the thousands of migrant workers brought to Hungary from China to help build BYD's first European plant in the city of Szeged β€” a $6-billion investment intended to supply the European market with around 300,000 vehicles per year.

The non-profit organization launched an investigation and provided CBC News with an advance copy of its findings, set for publication later this month.

"It's important that consumers know what's really behind some of these electric vehicles, and the labour conditions that are behind the production of these cars," said project officer Elaine Lu.

"Chinese workers who are being brought in to work on these sites are being employed in quite horrible conditions."

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The report describes potential violations of Hungarian labour and migration laws, including:

  • Seven-day workweeks with no days off to rest, with workers telling CLW they were instructed to lie to inspectors about their working hours if asked.
  • Shifts of up to 12 or 14 hours, with only a short meal break and no paid overtime.
  • Delayed wage payments of up to three months, with final payments withheld until workers returned to China.
  • Steep recruitment fees used as a form of debt bondage, with low-income workers saying they were forced to stay despite poor conditions because they can't afford to default on their contract.
  • Workers entering on business visas instead of authorized work permits, leaving them vulnerable to abuse and unable to access services like health care for workplace injuries.

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[–] [S] 18 points 7 months ago (11 children)

In related news today:

Brazil blacklists BYD for slave labour conditions at its biggest plant outside China - (Archived link)

Brazil's labour ministry on Tuesday added Chinese electric vehicle (EV) giant BYD ... to a registry of employers found to have subjected workers to conditions analogous to slavery, limiting access to state financing and increasing reputational risks in its most important market outside China.

There is even a Wikipedia article on the BYD Brazil working conditions controversy for those interested.

It's apparently a case Brazil has been investigating since 2024. Australian outlet ABC published an article including a short video that gives a glimpse of the conditions under which Chinese workers lived.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sorry for double dip.

    The "dirty list" they mention on the article is interesting, they even have a musician there (who uses slave labour in his farms).

    The BYD case in Brazil is not that different from the Hungary one, not respecting local labour laws, human traffic, etc...

    Brazil has tougher labour laws than in Canada, but what I found interesting from reading the sources is that they are not respecting Chinese labour laws too, causing an outrage in Chinese social media.

    You can watch a bunch of videos and photos by searching "brasil trabalho escravo BYD", just be careful with sources as there is a bunch of right-wing nuts trying to use it to promote racism.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    I would hope that any company (especially ones with BYD's documented history of violations) that sets up production in Canada is subject to a significant amount of scrutiny from the relevant enforcement agencies.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (8 children)

    I guess the 2 days account troll that is haunting this thread, who told me Brazil is not western, is about to change their mind - because how dare a country go against a big corp bottom line.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (7 children)

    Yeah and there is at least 3 voting manipulation accounts specifically targeting people who were pointing out Sicilian's bad faith shit.

    Looking at you @sxybaka@lemmy.cafe @battousai@lemmy.zip @ivar@progamming.dev @wildnessreshuff@lemmy.world @gradationstwope@lemy.lol @tactsquick@sh.itjust.works @lamdelille@ttrpg.network

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Hi @HikingVet@lemmy.ca, I'm going to look into the vote manipulation reports from our end. Is this the most up to date list of the accounts to look into?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    Thank you

    After looking through the records from our side, we have banned the following accounts: @sxybaka@lemmy.cafe @battousai@lemmy.zip @ivar@progamming.dev @wildnessreshuff@lemmy.world @gradationstwope@lemy.lol @tactsquick@sh.itjust.works @lamdelille@ttrpg.network emkata2564@futurology.today. We also flagged an additional account internally to keep an eye on moving forward.

    Sorry for not being able to deal with that sooner. However, in the future please don't engage with the accounts as you have done in this thread. It's reasonable to leave a public comment to call them out, but it doesn't really help anything to engage with them further than that. You also run the risk of looping in legitimate users who are not a part of the vote manipulation circle.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago)

    While at it, consider mopping up these as well:

    They often come together to up/down vote, which is especially obvious deeper into threads where others aren't engaging much like this:

    Or when the majority opinion opposes:

    Or to upvote their post:

    There's a lot more vote matches between these users. Here's a few more samples from other instances:

    On occasion multiple would show up and engage a user in the same thread:

    This has happened in the past more frequently but I think they wisened up to how obvious that is. There was a thread about EVs from last year where I think I got 3 of them show up on me but it seems search history has been trimmed to about 6 months so I can't find it. I used to engage in good faith before I figured out what's going on.

    These two (Hotznplotzn and randomname) were created on two different instances, 6 minutes from each other:

    Hotznplotzn and Sepia recently got caught at lemmy.world:

    Actually now that I'm looking at this data, there's probably more, but these are the most active ones from the set. There are some inactive ones too.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    They created a 4th one, emkata2564. 4 accounts in 1 hour just to get fictitious points.

    btw, thanks for sharing the website to check votes, I did not know that.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Geez, take it easy BYD ... this ain't Dubai ...

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    why am i not surprised that it is hungary

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Thread is locked pending cleanup and further mod actions. Please send me a DM if you have further information to share, or wish for us to reinstate specific comments.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Oh look, China bad. No way Canada would use forced labor.

    Modern Slavery: The Reality of Labour Trafficking in Canada - Policy Magazine https://share.google/qlfaHc0LGPfwyY7ak

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (25 children)

    Why do Westerners care about working conditions for cars but not, say, the production of cocoa? Cocoa producers face way more exploitation, including child labor.

    A: It's so they can drive up labor costs for their competitors and convince people to buy Western products.

    They don't actually care about the well-being of workers. This is why you'll see them bitch about working conditions in factories, but not in the mines that produce materials for those factories.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why do Westerners care about working conditions for cars but not, say, the production of cocoa? Cocoa producers face way more exploitation, including child labor.

    Just conveniently ignoring all the reporting and lawsuits about it in an attempt to bait people?

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    No, I'm focusing on the fact that real action has been taken against Chinese EVs while products made with child labor are legal and reasons why that's the case.

    You would have a point if it were illegal to sell chocolate made with cocoa produced using child labor, but it's not. If anything, you prove me further correct by highlighting how easy it was to ban Chinese EVs, but banning chocolate made with child labor is an uphill battle that's been going on for decades without success.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago*

    Can confirm, the EV tariffs came after intense lobbying by our industry (am in Canadian automotive) stateside, which then got copied here. Our exec layer got scared shitless after conducting some competition research and they communicated that to us in no uncertain terms. At the time the tariffs made some sense since there was real, material shift towards EV production at NA autos. All that got fell apart with Trump's election. Ford just recently announced it's refocusing one of its loudly advertised Kentucky batt plants to do other applications. The Oakville plant was supposed to be retooled for EVs. Instead it's gonna be making F250s.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (17 children)

    Why do Westerners care about working conditions for cars but not, say, the production of cocoa?

    *Edit: the quote was the original comment from the poster before me, they changed to make them look less unhinged so they could continue trolling around. I fell for it, because it was not an honest discourse, they are here just for the lolz and trolls.

    As far as I am aware, cocoa trees do not grow in Hungary (they place in the news from this thread).

    Also, you are replying to news about auto industry, there are other news about fair trade and slave labour across the globe. There were way more news earlier this year about child/slave labour in cocoa plantations in Brazil associated to a Swiss company.

    But if you are interested in western cocoa production:

    The largest producers and exporters are Ecuador and Brazil, if you know Spanish or Portuguese you can find a lot more recent news about it. It is not perfect, but they are tackling hard slave labour there.

    About chocolate production, it is quite difficult to find a bar that does not come with some sort of fair trade seal on them.

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    I'm replying to news about working conditions that create competition for Western companies and contrasted it with working conditions that don't create competition for Western companies.

    You don't see Western politicians arguing to outlaw chocolate based on working conditions, but you do see it for cars. I explained why this is the case.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (14 children)

    Not sure where you saw anything being "outlawed" besides poor labour conditions.
    No one is outlawing cars or chocolate, but I do see politicians discussion labour conditions all the time. It is even more apparent all around by having a job protected by union.

    That news is about tackling labour issues, not about competition.
    If you are serious about it, you would see that there are news about labour issue with "western" car companies all the time. There were plenty of strikes last year, and we will probably see more this year.

    The problem is that you are too busy bundling up 80-ish nations in your xenophobic rant.

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  • [–] -4 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    You might want to do a bit more research, you've been wrong multiple times here.

    First off, the largest producers and exporters of cocoa are the Ivory Coast and Ghana. ~1.5 million children are involved in cocoa farming in West Africa.

    Second, the importation of Chinese EVs is heavily restricted or outright banned in many Western nations. The news article isn't going to mention the real motives behind the concern over working conditions because that's how propaganda works.

    The problem is that you are woefully misinformed.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (12 children)

    No, you mentioned "westerns". Don't move the goal post. Do you consider Ivory Coast and Ghana "westerns" ? If so, you should have put that in your definition before editing your posts.

    Europe does not grow cocoa, on the top exporter list Ecuador and Brazil are the "western" nations you complain about.

    Second, please list the nations where Chinese EV are banned that are not USA ?

    Third, you seem to be ok with slavery as long as they are Chinese nationals and help the bottom line of some big corp.

    You are malicious and xenophobic.

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  • [–] -3 points 7 months ago* (11 children)

    Wow, you really need to work on your reading comprehension.

    I don't have the time nor the patience to continue explaining myself to someone like you. You need more education to understand what's going on.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    If you are not engaging in honest discourse, I am good. You are just a trump-stan LARPing around anyways.

    Please keep your xenophobia and malicious behaviour to your instance.

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (9 children)

    More angry nonsense.

    I've engaged in good-faith discussion, but you have proven yourself incapable of comprehending what you read.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    You don't, you are just trolling around. You are just hating on Chinese people while propping big corp like the Donald Bowman-stan you are.

    But this is not the community for it.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    No, you are incorrect, misinformed, and lack the reading comprehension necessary to have a productive conversation.

    For example, you think Ecuador and Brazil are Western countries and continue to argue that case. You put your ignorance on full display, and then cry foul when someone calls you out on it.

    You are just hating on Chinese people while propping big corp like the Donald Bowman-stan you are.

    It's the exact opposite. This is how I know that you cannot comprehend what you read.

    You need to help yourself before others can help you.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    For example, you think Ecuador and Brazil are Western countries and continue to argue that case.

    "Western country" term is very arbitrary and most of Brazilians would agree if asked if they considered themselves part of the west. Unless you are talking about Global north/south.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Dude, stop pretending, you could not list something that was not USA before, you will not be able to describe western now.

    You need better preparation if you want to be a troll. Right now you are just coming out was xenophobic/racist and big corp lover.

    this is you:

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (2 children)

    I think I know who the troll is now. I gave you the benefit of the doubt, but now I'm just going to ignore you like that other guy.

    If you're not trolling, then I hope one day you can learn from your ignorance.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    You gave me nothing. You just wasted my time, but as long was you are here with me, you are not harming others. I am giving you the same treatment that I do when scammers call. I will keep you here with me so you don't hurt anyone else.

    I tried to engage in honest conversation, I tried to clarify to you something you sounded ignorant about. You ignored my message, assumed I was antagonizing you, you changed your post, you changed the goalpost, you never addressed my arguments. You are just trolling here, dude. Everyone here noticed, and no sockpuppet you bring will change that.

    The mods seems to be ok with people with your behaviour here. So I will have fun with you, the same way you are having fun with me.

    Just in case I was not clear enough: I don't respect people like you, that find joy in the suffering of others, even worse when it is for profit.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    We do. Why do people who use the term westerners not understand that people aren't a monolith?

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  • [–] -2 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    It's nice that you do, but hopefully you can understand that most Westerners don't. They will use this as an excuse to buy Western products at inflated prices that most people can only afford by screwing others over.

    "So what if these factory workers have better working conditions than the people who farm cocoa for my chocolate? They're creating competition for my rulers, and I can't have that!"

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    @sicilian@lemmychan.org

    It’s nice that you do, but hopefully you can understand that most Westerners don’t.

    This is rubbish.

    In a nutshell, it's part of anti-Western, anti-democratic propaganda that makes you believe that the Western world is a mega-monolithic self-interested superstate that lives at the expense of others. Stylized as 'the enemy', it is then used by dictatorships to justify the suppression and exploitation of their own peoples.

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    [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Who would've thought...

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