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[–] 106 points 7 months ago (3 children)

there was this german books on cooking with mushrooms, with some parts actually written by a fungi expert and they were finishing up the project and the editorial went on to the glorious idea to save money on the illustrations, and decided to go AI against the will of the author and the expertise of everyone else and go ahead on the print.

well… they had to destroy the whole edition.
who could have known?

https://www.stern.de/kultur/buecher/warum-ein-pilz-kochbuch-nun-vom-markt-genommen-werden-musste-36100284.html

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    When AI is involved in creating books, errors can occur. And if the subject is edible mushrooms, the danger can even be life‑threatening. In Hut ab! – Das Pilz‑Kochbuch from Callwey Verlag, author Martin H. Lorenz gathered recipes from renowned chefs such as Eckart Witzigmann, Franck Giovannini, Johann Lafer, and Vincent Klink. The publisher also provided exclusive photographs by Julia Schmidt, Nikolas Hagele, and Caroline Wimmer. The result is a product that would have been of genuine interest to many hobby cooks, especially in autumn. Nevertheless, the cookbook cannot be purchased for now. Besides the photos and recipes, the book also contains illustrations that have caused problems—because, apparently, artificial intelligence (AI) was at least partly involved in their creation. On the Reddit platform, users expressed confusion over the book’s images, noting that several mushroom species were depicted incorrectly. Laypeople could have confused edible mushrooms with similarly looking poisonous ones based on those illustrations. Mushroom expert speaks out The mushroom specialist involved in the production, Dennis Regul, has now publicly commented on the incident: “It concerns the book ‘Hut ab! Das Pilz‑Kochbuch’. I was involved, reviewed the content and gave feedback on errors. I received no fee, only five copies of the book. During the collaboration I discovered AI‑generated pictures and reported that they were completely unsuitable. Unfortunately, I have since found that they were still used,” he wrote on Instagram and Facebook. “I consider the AI‑generated images dangerous. I want to point this out because beginners could be led to collect the wrong mushrooms.” The publisher disputes this. According to a spokesperson, the graphics are not fully AI‑generated; they were created by in‑house illustrators and then visually harmonised with AI. The errors slipped in during that process—errors that the mushroom expert did not manage to spot in time. Although Regul provided critical feedback on some illustrations, those were corrected before publication. At Callwey, an intensive investigation is now underway to determine how the mistakes arose. The publisher has acted quickly: the book has been withdrawn from the market. Whether it will be reissued with corrected illustrations has not yet been decided; according to the spokesperson, this will not happen before 2026. AI becomes a problem for illustrators Earlier, the professional association of illustrators (Illustratoren‑Organisation, IO) had already criticised the use of AI in the industry. “When asked about the biggest future challenge, ‘Artificial Intelligence’ was by far the top answer. Moreover, reports are increasing about missing commissions, changed requests and price collapses,” the statement reads.

    (translated with AI 🤖)

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  • [–] 56 points 7 months ago (15 children)

    I will trust AI 100% the minute any of the AI tech bros eat a mystery mushroom based purely on the output of AI content.

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  • [–] 74 points 7 months ago (11 children)

    Not good enough for me knowing there are Thomas Midgley Juniors out there:

    On October 30, 1924, Midgley participated in a press conference to demonstrate the apparent safety of TEL, in which he poured TEL over his hands, placed a bottle of the chemical under his nose, and inhaled its vapor for sixty seconds, declaring that he could do this every day without succumbing to any problems. [...] Midgley later took a leave of absence from work after being diagnosed with lead poisoning.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.

    He was the jackass who invented both leaded gasoline and CFCs and inflicted them on the world.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Yes, but a mystery mushroom would likely have much quicker-acting effects and it would be glorious to watch a bunch of these goobers keep over or absolutely trip balls on live television.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    Isn't the amanita mushroom one of the most deadly, and its unique symptom is that you (seem to) recover after a day or two?

    ...

    THEN the second unique symptom hits and you get to open up the abdominal cavity and pour out the remains of the liver.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    There are hundreds if not thousands of amanita's, they do host some of the most deadly species including the death cap and destroying Angels which is what you are referring to, and yes you will get sick well after the fact, feel a little bit better and then crash hard as your liver is liquefied. I think it takes about 2 days for an excruciating death things can be done to save you, including milk thistle extract and other plants which protect the liver, most important would be purging the mushroom if caught in time, and or eating charcoal to soak up the toxins so they're not absorbed, but hospitals have some other stuff they can do.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (6 children)

    I think that particular symptom is a trait of the infamous "destroying angel" specifically.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Destroying_angel

    Absolute nightmare fuel. 💀

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Not only that mushroom, the death cap as the name suggests has similar effects (same toxin), but is actually the most deadly mushroom. But yeah Amanita are the most deadly/toxic species of mushrooms.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Not all of them, Amanita muscaria Has Perhaps the longest recorded usage of any drug plants or fungi in the history of the northern world. Ask the reindeer they'll tell you about it.

    It is an anticholinergenic. But it has two actions, When Wet Ibotenic acid has an inebriating effect, when dry and cooked it converts to muscimol, which produces hallucinations and an altered state, but is not a hallucinogen but said anticholinergenic, a different class of drug.

    A single discredited study accused ibotenic acid of causing brain lesions and the media has repeated it ad nauseam but it's not accurate, I have done it both wet and dry.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah true, I actually also have thought about trying muscaria, but I'm fearing a little bit the anticholinergics group of drugs... (among others because of potential to increase risk for dementia etc.)

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Dementia risk is lkely bs puritan propaganda.

    I have done both wet and dry. Was thinking about microdosing, many have good results with that.

    It makes your dreams explode in colour and action they say, and aids sleep.

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, and if you read the first and second sentences of the wikipedia you've linked, you might notice something that I had said in my comment.

    Here, I'll help you out. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amanita

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Yo, homie, 👋

    I wasn't trying to "um akshully" you, I was legit just trying to contribute to the conversation for others who were interested.

    Thanks for the link and sincerely wishing you the chillest day, though. <3

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I guess you're forgetting the time Elon Musk smashed his cybertruck window while demonstrating how indestructible it is?

    Or the time that guy who was told his submarine design was stupid because fibreglass is strong under tension but still took it down to the bottom of the Atlantic multiple times until it crushed him along with some idiots that must have thought it was fine because it had been down and back before?

    Didn't some politicians drink Flint water to try to "prove" it was safe?

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    All mushrooms are edible.
    Once at least.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (2 children)
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    [–] 23 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I know the false one is toxic and fatal... But is it also delicious? We need to know.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Generally speaking poisonous things taste bad but not always! Add it to the data

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (3 children)

    This is very much not the case with mushrooms, most people who've accidentally eaten a deathcap (Amanita phalloides) have reported that they're delicious. Fly agaric (Amanita muscaria) which can be detoxified by boiling it and changing the water multiple times, is pretty darn good. I think it's better than the average grisette (the non-toxic Amanita sect. vaginatae spp.).

    Ok the other other hand, the destroying angel (Amanita ocreata) is said to taste pretty bad.

    For a non-amanita example, I've spit-tested the toxic Agaricus deardorffensis and I thought it tasted pretty good. That one is an odd case though since some people are unaffected by its poison and it's possible that's correlated with not being able to detect the unpleasant sharpie-like odor it's said to have, but I wasn't willing to give myself the shits for science so it remains a mystery.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    To say boiling Amanita muscaria detoxifies it is like saying boiling and dumping the water from psilocybin mushrooms detoxifies it. It's a drug, you can call it a toxin, but it's a drug.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Boiling and changing the water removes the psychoactive compounds as well as the ones that keep you on the toilet all day if you've done it correctly (both are water-soluble). At that point it's just a culinary mushroom.

    People who are "detoxifying" it to use as a drug bake it at a low temperature which does a poor job of removing any of the toxic or psychoactive compounds so they get a bad high and end up on the toilet half a day (seriously, just order some cube spores or something if IDing good actives is too hard).

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    Animata muscaria does not cause any toilet related issues, and you clearly have no idea what you're talking about here with all due respect.

    There are tens of millions of people just in the us that know better that would laugh and mock your comment here by the way.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You are absolutely right! I'm sorry I misidentified the deadly mushroom before. The horrible taste and tingling sensation you described matches with the description of a poisonous mushroom 💀 instead of the delicious, edible one 🍄. What you just ate was deadly-basilocarpus also known as the death mushroom. Thankfully you can survive if you receive medical assistance in the next 30 seconds, would you like me to find the nearest hospital in BumFuck Nowhere? 🚑

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    AI has previously recommended people eat death caps.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (29 children)
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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (26 children)

    I don't understand why this word has come back into common usage

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    I don't understand how people think it's such a big deal anyway. I mean, it's functionally the same thing as calling someone a moron or an idiot or an imbecile, yet I don't know anyone who has any problem with those words. All are obsolete medical terms for intellectually disabled people, used in modern parlance to insult someone's intellect.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I was an AuDHD kid in the 90s. That specific word was thrown at me a lot by both adults and my peers, especially because I lose the ability to speak when I'm stressed/overstimulated. I guess it still hurts when I hear it or read it, and going off this thread that's a "me" problem. Definitely regret posting my original comment

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yeah back in the 90s it was still in use in some diagnostic criteria, even though it was already considered dated then. These days I don't think it's used in a medical capacity anywhere anymore.

    I don't think it's solely a you problem as many people do consider the term too offensive to use, but it is one of those words the jury is divided on, with just as many people using it nonchalantly. I expect over time it'll be no different from moron or idiot.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Not only has a medical term, it was used in regards to spoilation of food, for instance they might say that they added a toxic preservative to excuse the phrase, Retard the spoilation of the food. Turns out the toxic preservatives are very bad. Who knew? Besides for all of us.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    It is still used to refer to things like fire retardant. To retard (pronounced ruh-tard and not ree-tard) means to slow or restrict the progress of something such as spoilage or fire spreading and is still a word with ligitimate uses, with the outdated 'medical' usage being a reference to a mentally disabled person's slower mental progress.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Where I'm from people use it frequently, but never about disabled people. They just mean stupid. In that capacity I agree, it's literally the same on every level as idiot, moron, imbecile, feeble-minded, dumb, etc.

    If someone uses the word to refer to a mentally handicapped or disabled person, we're gonna fight. If you call attacking Iran retarded, I agree wholeheartedly.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    This is the correct way of thinking.

    Anyone trying to sell something different is either a psyop dipshit trying to sew division or a self-rigtheous fart smelling wokescold who was duped by the psyop.

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    The venn diagram of people who "don't understand" incredibly easy to understand concepts, and people who wish that there were no words to describe people who "don't understand" incredibly easy to understand concepts.

    ⭕

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    There's describing someone's inability to understand easy concepts and there's using a medical condition in a derogatory manner.

    Similarly, frowning upon the n-slur does not imply that we have no more words for referring to people of color.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Mental retardation hasn't been a widely recognized medical condition for at least 30 years. They started scrubbing the term out of diagnostic criteria in the 90s and I think the last one to use it was officially retired in the 00s.

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  • [+] -1 points 7 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago*

    That is not what I suggested. I compared your logical fallacy to a more extreme example in hopes that you notice how short-sighted your argument was.

    To remind you, your comment implied "If I can't use , how else will I refer to ?".

    There are plenty of other words you can choose from both in place of the r-slur and the n-slur. Arguing that this in any way limits your vocabulary is incredibly narrow-minded.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    you don't have to use slurs to refer to people actually

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    You're right.

    But, damn near anything that's said with mean intent about a visible minority long enough becomes a slur. So it is something of a game of whack-a-mole that continuously removes words from the language as collateral damage.

    I personally think people should just stop being mean entirely, slurs or not.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago

    AI app: Great picture! That a "fls Brown cup"; it is delicious and fatal!

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    AI is not LLM by the way.

    I'm sure that there could be a classifier ML model that classifies this more reliably than any human, when trained by the best institutes.

    There are also cancer classifiers based on images of skin that are more reliable than any human.

    But yeah, I wouldn't ask an LLM...

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Come on, at least tell us how many differences we're supposed to be spotting.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    This is why the spore prints matter.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I never heard of any mushroom like the one pictured in the meme, looking so similar and even growing on the same soil/medium. It's actually more like this:

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    I grew up foraging mushrooms in Michigan, but ever since moving to Alberta I've never felt comfortable hunting mushrooms here. I need to go with someone confident who has done it their entire lives. But I did learn recently that a different species of morel actually grows out here. I'm going to try hunting those this year.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Delectable tea, or deadly poison?

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    Most edible mushrooms are easy to identify. At least I think so.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Well, one could argue that it is the other way around. We consider most mushrooms as feasibly edible when it is easy enough to distinguish them from non-edible ones. There are thousands of mushroom species out there that are probably edible but that are just not worth anyone's time. And we also focus more on certain groups of mushrooms that contain a higher percentage of edible ones, like boletes (and also champignons).

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    That's fair. Few people dare to eat the edible Amanitas, although they're said to be quite tasty. If the deadly species didn't exist, they would probably be much more popular.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It isn't that hard to correctly ID Amanita rubescens and I've eaten it quite a few times. But if I'm the only one responsible for identifying it I wouldn't dare to eat it. With boletes I'm much more lenient and don't even know the species all of the time :D

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Interesting because I find boletes very confusing and some are poisonous. But maybe this varies regionally.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    You're totally right! I forgot that this is very dependent on where you live. In the area where I usually collect boletes, there are zero poisonous ones and only some that are hard to digest or bad tasting.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    There are edible mushrooms which are really hard to ID, but you just don't try to eat those.

    Most people don't go after the tasty Sheathed woodtuft (Kuhernomyces mutablis) because the risk of confusing it with the deadly funeral bell (Galerina marginata)

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  • [+] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)
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    There's a whole process for it. First, you smell it. Then rub it on skin. Then taste a tiny piece. Then swallow a tiny piece. Then you eat it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Ofc, since many mushrooms take hours or days to kill you, this process does fuck-all.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    These people imagine that a mushroom that destroys your liver would have some other offensive effect also

    They would probably be surprised to find that mushrooms that will kill you also taste fine and don't cause any effect except the one that kills you

    The was a famous murder case in Australia recently where the victims were fed a mushroom dish that none had a problem with until days later when they died

    Ed. Oh, you replied to yourself, that made it pretty unclear that your down voted reply was as credible as your up voted statement

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    How dare you insinuate an AI app could replace Uncle Iroh?

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