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[–] 156 points 7 months ago (6 children)

They're not supposed to have both installed.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Pipewire is newer and emulates PulseAudio so that it can be used as a drop-in replacement. There's literally a command called pipewire-pulse related to this.

    It makes me wonder if they really have both installed or are mistaking Pipewire's emulation for an active PulseAudio installation, and so it's just Pipewire that's acting up.

    I'd say reboot, but being in space might be one of those times where that's a non-starter. In which case, they're going to have to get their hands dirty unpicking system hooks and trying to reattach them all again as and when Pipewire's working again, assuming it doesn't do that automatically.

    I never had a problem with either Pipewire or real PulseAudio back when that was current. I had motherboard sound physically pop, requiring the purchase of a separate sound card, but never a driver issue, so I can't even imagine what might be going on.

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  • [–] 107 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I'm pretty sure this is a meme based on the real report that they had 2 instances of outlook on windows and not real.

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  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Wait, they had two instances of not real? They are learning too much.

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  • [–] 120 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    This is a joke right? Yesterday I saw a post that outlook was a problem for them

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  • [–] [S] 153 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Yes it’s a joke referencing the two Outlook instances issue, but for Linux people

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Haha thanks. I feel dense in retrospect

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  • [–] 58 points 7 months ago (16 children)

    Real talk, though: why has Linux taken at least five tries (OSS, ALSA, JACK, PulseAudio, PipeWire) to get audio right?!

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  • [–] 90 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    OSS came first, then got replaced by ALSA after it became proprietary.

    PulseAudio is a userspace audio server to which programs connect. It manages audio settings per app, then sends everything to ALSA. JACK is the same but with a focus on low latency.

    PipeWire is a modern drop-in replacement for both, and also has support for video on Wayland.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    I'm still waiting for the latency to be viable for playing guitar with an audio interface.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    I'm using pipewire just fine to do so? I just needed to set the buffer size to something appropriately low and I've had no issues from popewire's side

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    Maybe it's time to give it a shot again. Does pipewire have similar functionality to voicemeeter the virtual audio cables?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    There's helvum and carla control that allow you to edit the entire audio graph with all ins and outs for all hardware and software so you can route it however you like. No need for VAC and such. But even if you do, you can load pulseaudio modules i.e. pactl load-module module-null-sink and then route them with qjackctl which is absolutely crazy and awesome how pipewire lets you do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Give Ubuntu Studio a try maybe? It comes with a lot of audio production stuff preinstalled and preconfigured, one of the most important ones in this context being low-latency process scheduling.

    Essentially most distros just have default process scheduling options, which means a process might be starved for CPU time, theoretically for up to 2s or so at a time, which is very bad if that process is generating or consuming an audio stream. Low-latency scheduling, while not entirely preventing it from happening, should significantly reduce this.

    You could also just configure most other distros Kernels to do low-latency scheduling of course. Or if you don't want to muck about with kernel settings try Ubuntu Studio, which has that and more all ready to use.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Ohhhhhh the newbies don't remember EsounD (Enlightenment Enlightened Sound Daemon). Basically, it was an attempt at doing PulseAudio-esque stuff way back in the OSS era. Which is to say, it just supported software mixing of multiple audio sources, because OSS usually only allowed single process to output audio. EsounD was janky and didn't work well, obviously. Probably the neatest thing about it was that it exposed the mixed output stream to any other app, so that made visualisers much easier to make (edit: another thing that newbies in this day and age don't realise, but I cannot emphasise enough how crucial visualisers were for the late 1990s / early 2000s music experience). ALSA basically supported hardware mixing (if available) out of the box, so of course it immediately became my favourite.

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  • [–] 27 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That’s the thing about open source. Someone always thinks they can do better

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago

    That's not a feature thats exclusive to open source though. Circular reasoning like this just distracts from the fact that software just like hardware is constantly evolving, even in personal spaces. Thinking someone can do better has no relevance on the "open source" aspect or the political leaning.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    They don’t have the same goals.

    JACK is for professional audio.

    OSS and ALSA are kernel audio drivers, they’re the most powerful of them all but extremely low level. Everything else, like pulseaudio/pipewire are just higher-level interfaces that feed ALSA audio.

    Pulseaudio and pipewire are sound servers.

    So really it only took two tries:

    OSS -> ALSA

    Pulseaudio -> Pipewire

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  • [–] 43 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    This is psyop, they run windows up there, their outlook doesn't work, and everyone kinda accepted that.

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  • [–] [S] 17 points 7 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Most of psyops are done via memes nowadays

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    While I don’t disagree, given there was a user making throwaway accounts solely to post controversial comics on !comicstrips@lemmy.world, this is a pretty specific joke that only Linux users would understand and appreciate. It of course is parodying the 2 instances of outlook issue they had on the rocket.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I hope that's like a personal laptop or something. I'd hate to think we shot people into space on something that's running windows for a critical system.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I have not worked on human rated launch vehicles, but I've been adjacent to them, saw what went into them, and a few close personal friends have worked it.

    Anything that can jeapordize the safety of the crew must go through a rigorous independent validation and verification process that takes years, software included. No shot a Microsoft product was even in consideration for those systems.

    Being in industry I find it crazy that so many people are freaked out by this. Astronauts have email, they have tasks and schedules and reports to make. Why would NASA reinvent the wheel on a task/schedule manager when the ground operators and astronauts are already used to using Outlook.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    Wait are you saying they do or don’t have Microsoft products?

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think they're saying they're not using Windows to operate Artemis II but the astronauts are probably used to using Microsoft products. So when it comes to simple logging and data entry they probably are using Windows. But these are their own computers and not used to run Artemis II. I may be wrong but that's how I understood it.

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  • Yup, sometimes it's too easy for me to just slip into work mode when talking about this kind of stuff and I don't elaborate enough. Thanks for stepping in.

    Based on industry rumors I believe the Orion capsule control computers are running VxWorks (I've heard that maybe a few boxes are using RTEMS?) All of that source code would have been reviewed, audited, and tested to hell and back.

    The day-in-the-life stuff for the astronauts is entirely believable to be Windows. The risk of it failing is so low (medium probability, low impact), it's what they'd be familiar with, and it's part of daily life at NASA anyways. Linux is no better when it comes to safety critical components and the astronauts almost certainly wouldn't want to be dealing with Gnome's... uniqueness....

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I actually had a sound issue the other day. Just no sound, how weird. It worked the day before. Checked wpactl, volumes etc, everything was fine and working. Restarted pipewire, still no sound.

    Turns out my external mixer lost power because the powet socket was slightly loose.

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  • [+] 32 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Sleep is my favourite function to complain about, it breaks shit at random on windows and Linux, nobody seems to know why or how. The fact that sleep works as well as it does on consoles and steam deck is a miracle to me.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Well that one is pretty obvious isn't it? Consoles and the like have a single target hardware, or very few at least, so their testing is way more reliable. Meanwhile a random PC will have one of several hundred chip designs, implemented by a few dozen different vendors, ranging over decades. Development for and testing under such conditions is just way more complicated, so all devs can really do is aiming for #worksonmymachine and hope for detailed bug reports and feedback when others have issues.

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  • [–] 23 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Funny thing, but it's windows I got problem sound problems with. Randomly decide to ignore mic, speakers doesn't get out of "phone call quality mod". Every time I need to disconnect then reconnect just for my colleagues to hear me out.

    Linux? No problem. Easy effects run perfectly too (except when low CPU availability... But everything at that point gets problems)

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Being in IT with windows 11 is awful.

    "Why isn't my mic/audio working?"

    Me: "Idk, restart the computer"

    "That fixed it. I don't understand, it was just working yesterday. Why did it stop working?"

    Me: "Windows 11 sucks..."

    Not to mention how awful it is being in a teams call as the IT guy and my mic isn't working because, again, windows is ass

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    But on a serious note, mine just jumps up and down in volume randomly

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago

    Systemd just keeps asking me for govt id, I didn't bring it with me to space

    Thanks Dylan

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    My Mint laptop audio stopped working for a couple months and then miraculously fixed itself this week. I made various attempts to fix it with no luck. It’s either a hardware issue or some obscure software issue.

    In the past, I had plugged in a HDMI cable to mirror the screen and couldn’t get the audio working again until I plugged it back into HDMI and switched it back to the internal speakers before unplugging HDMI. Before the audio broke this time, I had connected a USB microphone, so it’s possible that’s what did it.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    My laptop is Mint and it's never given me audio issues. My gaming rig is Nobara and the only audio issue I've had with it is that I forgot to switch the output to the TV.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (8 children)

    Wow. I've just stepped out of the office for a rage break because pipewire shat the bed again. It's amazing how sound seems to be a solved problem 5 or 10 years ago but now it's just offal.

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    $ systemctl status --user pipewire
    Failed to connect to user scope bus via local transport: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined (consider using --machine=<user>@.host --user to connect to bus of other user)
    

    wheeeee

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    That's not a pipewire problem, that's a systemctl problem.

    Failed to connect to user scope bus via local transport: $DBUS_SESSION_BUS_ADDRESS and $XDG_RUNTIME_DIR not defined

    The error means systemctl --user can't reach your user's D-Bus session because the required environment variables aren't set. This typically happens when you've switched users via su or sudo rather than logging in directly, because htose don't initialize a full systemd/PAM session. It could also be that your session wasn't properly initialized by systemd-logind or a number of other things. Try spawning a proper user session:

    sudo machinectl shell your_username@
    

    and try the systemctl command again.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    typically happens when you’ve switched users via su or sudo rather than logging in directly,

    1. I wish typical scenarios were the only ones we had -- it'd be a trivial solution.
    2. This is a largely unmolested install because I don't want to be debugging my desktop. If I had a point other than whingeing, here, that would be it: when the default, vanilla, least-tuned setup falls over on the regular, then it's fundamentally a failure at its "you had one job" task.
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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    If it's consistently breaking then your distro is messing up something. Bad defaults, broken scripts, etc.

    The problem is that the environment variables are expected to be there and they are not there.

    So, if you're not doing something odd, then your distro is pushing misconfigurations or some other piece of software is interfering with your environmental variables. Whatever the vanilla setup for your distro is, it is not setup correctly.

    I do agree that it's frustrating, just aim the ire in the right direction... whoever configured your system's defaults.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, it was working fine but then it got really hard to use pulse. Just when it was stable, we get a few good years before having to switch to a new unstable thing, since pulse lost support.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I never understood why we didn't just stick with ALSA. OSS was crap, certainly, but ALSA seemed to do the job.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Depending on the output device it's still using ALSA underneath (e.g. Bluetooth output instead is given to the BT stack), PipeWire is dealing with managing and routing the audio output rather than actually performing it.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I feel this one. Used to daily drive Linux but due to a work requirement had to switch to Windows several years back. Windows has been getting shittier and shittier and I no longer need to use Windows for work and it only just gets shittier so I just switched to CachyOS and love it. Except the one and only issue I haven't been able to fix is audio. I use a Bluetooth speaker on my computer and it cuts out randomly even using low bit rate audio streams. Tried switching pulseaudio to pipewire because the internet said I could increase the latency and that that would fix it but no dice.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (1 child)

    Hm? Removed pulse, installed pipewire-pulse, ran pipewire && wireplumber && pipewire-pulse as user and everything just works. Except that my cheap bt-inear sometimes cause a crash of bluetoothd (and that one should restart by itself but whatever) but that's not pipewire's fault.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    @MonkderVierte @tjhrulz Hm? Removed pulse, installed pipewire-pulse, run pipewire && wireplumber && pipewire-pulse as user and got no available sound devices.Why? Because wireplumber's bullshit crashed after forking to daemon somewhere in camera support code (but i do not have cameras!).With reference pipewire-media-session everything worked, but everybody forcing unstable and bloaty wireplumber, making old configuration not supported...Yes, maybe it's not pipewire fault, just it's modular architecture, but it makes me unhappy with it, so i still using jack. And i sure, there should be separate provider processes for camera and audio devices

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago
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    Just life, linux just works with audio

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    They're just like me! I have no idea which I'm using either.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    alias rpipe='systemctl --user restart pipewire'

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    And also wireplumber, for good measure

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Eh.

    I change my audio output device a lot and my wired USB headset confuses the hell out of pipewire, especially if I have the microphone unplugged/hardware muted.

    I just restart pipewire until it breaks again, which is most likely after a system update/restart anyways.

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  • [+] 6 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I think the answer is that slop tends to make everything look well lit and soft like a portrait. So by association, portraits now look like slop.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago*

    Yeah I guess that is actually what is happening... combined with... 99% of pictures people see these days are taken with phones or webcams, with different methods of doing color balancing, and different standards for lighting and color grading.

    Whereas it used to be, in the before days, in the last century... you'd probably most often see a person pictured in either a school photo, a mugshot, a portrait done for some other occasion, or basically a polaroid, which would be recognizabley differently exposed/styled (basically) from the rest.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    wdym?

    Astronauts are following the same photo format as they've always done, and the penguin is wearing a tuxedo.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    The image looks like the contrast was increased too much for unknown reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago*

    Huh.

    To me it looks like an actually very well colorbalanced photo... maybe something to do with image formats, different kinds of viewing devices, some kind of HDR process working oddly?

    EDIT:

    Also, the background, the backdrop, its ... the actual pattern of the material is that its lighter and more colorful in the center, and then does a kind of noisy circular taper to black, toward the edges.

    Thats not an exposure or contrast error, its an intentional choice, meant to emphasis the center of the image, but also allow the well lit people on the edges to be clearly discernable, in detail.

    Its a fairly common practice in more traditional portrait photography.

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  • [–] 2 points 6 months ago

    My audio is JACKed

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    outlook meeting request y/n . maybe

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Anyone have any idea how to troubleshoot my motherboard's HD Audio device just not showing up at all in my hardware devices? I've made sure it's enabled in UEFI settings but it just appears to not even be enumerated by the hardware scan.

    My previous mobo's HD Audio also didn't show up at first, but that one fixed itself by the time I came around to troubleshoot it (maybe an update?). Had to replace that mobo because of hardware damage, but I didn't bother reinstalling the OS as I didn't think it was necessary.

    Other then hoping the next round of updates resolves this, I'm out of ideas.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    When I type s my terminal autosuggests systemctl --user restart wireplumber

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    When I type p I get "plasmashell --replace --no-respawn" because I have to reload plasmashell twice after reboot to get all my widgets in working state lol

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  • [–] 1 point 6 months ago* (1 child)

    Cool.... Sounds very familiar widgets showing Configuration button instead of working properly. after reboot like you said

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