In the many times I’ve had men (and some women ffs) force this explanation upon me, they usually:

1. Have fundamental misunderstanding of what feminism is. They often think women want dominance over them or something, giving them a victim complex.

2. Support feminist values in theory, but get annoyed when literally anything at all is asked of them to contribute to meaningful change. (see also: systemic racism)

Neither of these are an excuse and I’m so exhausted hearing them over and over.

I find this website equally as anti-feminist as Reddit. Doesn't really surprise me since this website is more male than Reddit and also full of Reddit refugees.

I feel like it'd work better if you'd ask them "should men be treated like how you want to treat women: without a right to decide whether to have a child, without being able to work, without being ... etc.".

I feel like most men don't really understand, unless if they were put in our shoes. I've seen shows where that exactly happens: they get whistled at by even stronger people, they're derided and told their views don't matter, they get lower wages (in simulations), and so on. Some do change their mind after that, at least.

Hot take - men are against de jure "positive discrimination" in favour of women because there's no de jure "positive discrimination" in favour of men.

https://melissahogenboom.substack.com/p/feminism-has-gone-too-far

She tries to explore the statistics where new generations feel that feminism is no longer about lifting up women but putting down men.

It is interesting to see that she mentions that women outperform men academically and in early earnings. She however fails to explore why that happens.

I can't speak about your country and your culture - I can only speak about mine. I will be quoting women feminists (with links), but in Polish (I tried autotranslating them and they seem readable).

Here in Poland men are de jure (and de facto) discriminated against in all levels of education, e. g. https://www.rp.pl/opinie-polityczno-spoleczne/art43786261-jakub-chabik-dyskryminacja-pozytywna-plus-rownosc-selektywna-to-bunt-mezczyzn in early education: girls have now better average scores in language than boys and equal in math, but for their gender girls are offered extra points to qualify for "math excellence extracurricular programs", as uni STEM only sees only ~40% of women. There is no similar program for uni bio or med, where men are only ~25%.

Heck: https://krytykapolityczna.pl/kraj/wieczorkiewicz-istnieja-formy-dyskryminacji-mezczyzn-ze-wzgledu-na-plec-polemika-z-wojcikiem/ - she explores forms of de juro and de facto discrimination against men in Poland, lack of interest from progressive and leftist parties to even mention men discrimantion and issues (and even blaming men for them), and finishes the article saying that she sees the right-wing counterforce parties getting access to men because of all that.

So yeah - if you base your feminism at "When someone is accustomed to privilege, equality feels like oppression", then that feminism is bad.

The only feminism branch I take issue with is the TERF variety, and just to be clear, its not the feminist part of that. I hope that enough of us can agree on that much.

There definitely isn't going to be someone from the meme in this comment section.

Usually it's more like « I know we oppressed you for millennia, but maybe you could ask more nicely for us to stop »

It's hard to reason with people who keep saying "we're fucked because of who women voted. They shouldn't be able to vote.". If anyone has advice on how to convince them otherwise...

The right to say "no".

That's pretty much it. Every other right boils down to that one in the end.

misandry is bad. and a lot of people confuse the two.

but the outrage is justified. crazy to think that women are still being made to feel less than in the fucking future.

Most men don't know what feminism is. They just go by the name and what the most vocal 'feminists' say or do.

If i really really really need to say something. I would say its unfair how often women win in custody dispudes, even if there is no real argument why. Most of the time if its "a draw" the mother wins by default.

Other than that cant really think nothing else.

Well maybe that i live in country where men have mandatory military service, but women dont. But in my mind its okay that women dont have to serve, so i guess im against equality then?

I'm a man, and after a lifetime of work, I can say that I have generally preferred my women bosses more than the men. I've had a few great male bosses, but I've also had some extremely terrible ones.

On the other hand, most of the female bosses I've had have been excellent, some great, and only a few have been mediocre or bad, but none of them were as bad as some of the male bosses I've had.

Today, as a business owner, I also prefer to hire women. They are more reliable, in general, and it's easier to find smart women workers than men. Many men are proud of their ignorance.

Please note: this community is women-only, please read the rules before commenting.

Well you're speaking again, and it's to ask a question. That's number one and number 2 right there. You're on the internet, that's number 3.

The supremacist right of having/deserving only supremacist privileges.