Reddit CEO says facial verification may be introduced. Ostensibly to prevent bots.

But we all know how dangerous this can be. But most likely Reddit users will just accept it.

Although they have a great free analogue right under their noses - Lemmy. Which is many times better than its competitor.

I wish more people would discover Lemmy, but that's unlikely.

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[–] 281 points 7 months ago (21 children)

There's no way they want to eliminate bot traffic, it would kill 2/3rds of their traffic instantly. So this just means, "bots that aren't paying us."

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  • [–] 129 points 7 months ago* (15 children)

    Reddit, very famously, used bot traffic at its inception to create the illusion of a community big enough to compete with Digg.

    It was the OG "fake it till you make it" business.

    As the company implements an increasingly draconian "ban every account that looks at me sideways" admin policy, I'm not sure if "2/3rds of the traiffc" isn't lowballing it. There are entire threads - from initial post to bullshit bottom comment - that get created by bot traffic on the modern site. It's a full blown hall of mirrors over there.

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  • [–] 49 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    OG “fake it till you make it” business.

    Feels like 99% of "social" network startups. The dead Internet theory started before the LLM craze.

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Goes back to email. Easier to create a machine that churns out digital messages than find humans to do the work manually. So you get increasing loads of spam and gibberish, attempting to out-shout one another in a digital space with no bureaucratic regulation or material limits.

    That said, one thing that made early social media like Facebook and MySpace and Livejournal appear valuable was the degree of human interaction. What's more, the interpersonal networks that formed between verified humans gave enormous value to communications across the platform.

    Facebook did a pretty good job, early on, of limiting who could join based on authentication through college admin offices. MySpace had a large cohort of real human artists producing real human music, which attracted a real human following. Livejournal predated a lot of advertisement-by-blogging. After the Dot-Com bubble burst, this is where you could see green shoots of economic value in a digital space.

    We've demolished all that chasing fictitious capital. How valuable it was in practice is debatable, of course. But it's all gone now.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Tumblr survived botification largely culturally intact

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I'll have to take your word for it

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Take mine too. It's really funny how tumblr banned porn so all the gooners went to twitter and now tumblr is kinda healthy with a really vocal userbase that WILL backlash at any attempt on enshittifying the platform

    The biggest con with tumblr is the CEO, but he's too busy making everyone distrust Wordpress.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I'm no heritage Tumblr user, I didn't have an account until about a year ago, but I used to browse the site every now and then. I'd say the current userbase is a joy to be around, but the bots are everywhere. Every comment section on an artist's post eventually will get a "Are you open for comms?" post. We still get the porn bots funnily enough. Also the occasional account takeovers and then bots DMming people.

    But like in terms of real people posting? I don't even know if I've ever had a bot post come up on my feed, for both the following feed and "for you" feed. Plus Tumblr does have an option to look at chronological posts and you can actually reach the end of the page eventually!

    We all recently rioted and got the staff to revert a shitty twitter-like update within a day or so, which was nice. I still want wafrn to improve and replace Tumblr so we can escape the PoS CEO, but alas.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    I just can’t read it as anything other than warfarin- how’s it supposed to be pronounced?

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  • How can you tell? Not attacking, just curious. I never could tell, well maybe if usernames are all oddly similarly patterned, and even than, I can't be sure it's not some app/program that hands out those ids when you register in it, as people sometimes can be too lazy to come up with a meaningful username. Short comments can also be made by dumb humans, long posts can be written by modern Artificial Idiot. 20 years ago, I could tell spam post, cause they all were literally either identical to each other, or at least totally ignored context and never responded to questions. Now I am not sure at all. Definitely some people are less eloquent than AI.

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago*

    That's not the point of this.

    The point of this is to remove unpaid/unauthorized bots. They want their engagement figures to look even better, and they don't want people offering up their advertisements propaganda without paying up.

    Their goal will never be to eliminate bots because undoubtedly that is something they want to sell access to and use themselves.

    By guaranteeing that certain posts are bona fide humans, their data is more valuable to sell for AI data as well... and they probably have a way to dox users with this too.

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  • [+] 111 points 7 months ago* (last edited 6 months ago) (16 children)
  • [–] 60 points 7 months ago (13 children)

    Thank you. This is why I’m here. 

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Ditto!

    Well that and they permabanned my 14 year old, 1million karma account for making a post that insinuated Donald is a pedophile that some MAGA got all upset about and they rejected my appeal.

    So....fuck em.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    I had a similar account that got banned for connecting to the wrong VPN endpoint. Clicked a random server from my VPN provider, suddenly my account was permanently banned with no ability to appeal

    Thinking it was just some issue on my end (it was a non-standard looking ban), I logged into another OG account of mine, which also promptly got perma-banned

    Extreme incompetence for them to be issuing perma-bans like that based on IP address

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  • [+] 5 points 7 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 64 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    So the entire point of reddit, the anonymity, is to be thrown out the fucking window lmao

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Nah, other users won't know who you are.

    But Reddit can sell your information and send police to your house if you joke about Israel.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago

    Nah, other users won’t know who you are.

    Well, at least until the database inevitably leaks

    https://www.pcmag.com/news/reddit-could-soon-require-face-id-to-prove-youre-not-a-bot

    Huffman indicated the platform may use decentralized third-party information providers to verify users’ personal details.

    “Part of the promise to users is we don’t want to know your name," he told the hosts. "But we want to know that you're a person.”

    Sure, "we don't want to know your name, we just have to know it or have to have another party that we have access to/a deal with know it"

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  • [–] 56 points 7 months ago (32 children)
  • [–] 20 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    You have to pick a server.

    I promise you, that's why

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    You're probably right and this is the first time I've felt kind of glad for the "speed bump" that picking a server on the fediverse has become. We'll get another influx before too long; maybe a "you need to be this clever to ride the ride" checkpoint isn't such a bad thing.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    That's what I thought when I initially signed up but I'm realizing we lack diversity baaaaaaad. I'd wager 90%+ of users are tech people and we are infamously antisocial, which is rough for a "social media"

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Selecting a server wasn't an issue for me. The RIF app told me to go to .world and I quickly decided it was the right instance for me to start.

    I moreso had to adjust to the slower pace and less engagement on Lemmy compared to reddit, the lack of niche communities, my favorite subs not having a perfect equivalent here.

    I was super pissed off with reddit and am still salty, so my anger committed me to making the commitment to Lemmy. I was addicted to reddit and they took away the app I was using for over 10 years. I wasn't ready for the breakup and was scorned. I was highly motivated to make Lemmy work for me.

    Users need that level of anger and outrage to motivate them.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Oh no, how am I going to pick a server?! That’s even harder than choosing a shirt to put on!

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    It's weird, but that shit intimidates non technical people, and there are a lot of them. It would need better if it says something like 'Click on the flag of the country closest to where you live' or something like that.

    Linux seems to have managed to do this - I recently did I mint install on my laptop, it was all GUI, no arcane jargon, no need to use the console, really well optimised for the non-technical folk. You'd be surprised how many people see 'server' and think 'I don't have one of those, and I don't think I want one'.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    Is there a reason to expect bots won't overwhelm Lemmy as well?

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Most likely, they will. They are not elikely to infect larger instances. Smaller instances will spot them and ban them, I hope.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    Why do you expect they will be unlikely to infect larger instances?

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    They will still infect them but they will be more obvious.

    An unusual comment, you don't know it's a bot.

    Hundreds of unusual comments and doesn't engage with the local community. It's a bot.

    It's partly why online discourse is toxic. There is a disconnect with th real world and online and no social stigma. On a small community instances there is.

    The problem though, will be trying to manage which isntances need to be blocked as they are rampant with bota. If the fediverse grows and there are lots of smaller communities,.it will be harder to keep track. Currently it's small and most instances with active users are familiar.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    /r/rats and tv show discussions for me

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is basically all I use for now. Lemmy doesn't have the infrastructure for every TV episode and movie I watch.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    yeah. and even in the generic tv show communities there are maybe a couple people discussing a new episode, if at all.

    Compared to thousands for a popular show.

    heck, even star trek is barely active compared to reddit. and they did an official migration in the beginning

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    It still is more populated and has a lot higher activity, which suits slightly better for doomscrolling.

    Lemmy needs to get slightly more popular. And maybe a centralized place to find different instances?
    Like i haven't found any active fitness related ones.

    It's like coming from a convention Hall full of people and going into a minimally occupied hotel.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Centralisation of power is in the first place why we moved away from Reddit. Fuck that.

    You can find your own fitness sidelemmy. There are actually a few I found.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Completely fair, just the difference and lack of constant flow of content is going to put off many people and without a significant enough drive there's no point to get used to the new environment.

    Mind pointing me in a the right direction?

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  • [+] -8 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    Because Lemmings can be insufferable sometimes.

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  • [–] 24 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    So were Redditors 15-20 years ago, though. This place is exactly like the old Reddit ecosystem. Heavily focused on programming, Linux, and Star Trek. The smaller subs for politics, culture, news, etc take longer to build up.

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  • [–] 55 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Requiring face ID AFTER genAI has become great at generating faces is certainly a decision

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Next step will be to require Video with bop-it style live instructions, stick out your tongue, blink one eye, pick your nose, make finger guns, smile, frown. They won't care that it's not disability friendly.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    Facebook tried to make me take a video of myself moving my head around making different facial expressions to prove I was a person. I was like... not even my bank requires that. This was after making a comment that was Trump-negging. So I cancelled it.

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  • [–] 52 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    I'm a new lemmy user because of this

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  • [–] 25 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    Welcome! It's WAY quieter over here because it's mostly people, not bots.

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  • [–] 11 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I've been on reddit for 15 years (on and off again, deleting my accounts and then re-signing up later).

    I'm looking forward to a fresh start here.

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  • [–] 42 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I made the switch to Lemmy today, feels old school kind of good.

    Reddit is not only allowing for bots to run rampant, but also it’s managed by the Epstein class and their supporters.

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