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[–] 180 points 7 months ago (45 children)

Africa, Asia, and South America

So we are not counting North-America, where the ICE raids continue then?

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  • [–] 70 points 7 months ago

    “Today there are so many places in the world where the U.S. government is conducting military operations — including the war at home on migrants — that each event eclipses the last in terms of media attention,” said Stephanie Savell, the director of Brown University’s Costs of War Project.

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  • [+] -62 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (43 children)

    America is one continent.

    ITT: Lots of angry Americans on copium. Stay strong.

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  • [–] 83 points 7 months ago (24 children)

    North and South America are considered separate continents. They're not even connected now that the Panama canal was dug.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago (6 children)

    Continents are a social construct.

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  • [–] 26 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Continents are a geological construct, with continents tending to be granitic, and oceanic plates typically being basalt. Dividing continents with geopolitical boundaries is a social construct.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Still it’s perhaps just a human-imposed classification scheme. What about Europe and Asia? Also, India? The boundaries themselves are quite symbolic of how we choose to see the world, even politically. We conceptually compartmentalize continuous systems using all kinds of sneaky criteria. If you’re strictly referring to geological objects, are you still even referring to continents?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    At the end of the day everything about how we engage with, understand, and define the universe is based off human systems because that’s just how we do. We’re intelligent enough to recognize beyond ourselves and deduce the nature of why things happen and then use our words to describe it. A granitic continent doesn’t know its granite and a basaltic oceanic plate doesn’t know it’s basalt, it operates as it’s properties demand, like they have for billions of years before humans and will for millions of years after we’re gone.

    The products of these natural cycles do lend to how humanity has organized itself for thousands of years. River valleys helped establish agriculture and the birth of “civilization”, and mountain ranges, deserts, great rivers, and oceans made for natural boundaries once populations grew to the size they started defining “them and us”.

    So I do agree that continents (and natural features in general) shape how we think of the people who live there, and some places have thousands of years of history where those features were the boundaries of their nation. But the physical structure we call a continent exists with or without humans calling it a continent, nations do not. Continents influence human affairs and cultural/national identity at home and abroad, but again, that’s heaping our humanness on what is otherwise a slab of granite that is doing its thing.

    I’d point out too, Earth’s plates are constantly shifting, but for the entire existence of humans they’ve only moved a few to a few dozen kilometers. Their importance to our social organizing is partly due to their seemingly static nature. But in 200-300 million years we’ll possibly be all jammed back together Pangea-style. Though I highly doubt humans will be around to see that.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    True but in this society we recognize 7. To recognize only one America with consistency you're probably looking at 4 though maybe a 5th could be argued

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  • [–] -5 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    Damn I didn't realize we dug into them tectonic plates.

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  • [–] 29 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    They are separate tectonic plates, the two continents only crashed together relatively recently, the "columbian exchange" that saw wildlife mix between the continents. South America was near Africa at one point, North America more with Europe as I understand it.

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  • [–] 18 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I find it really cool that the Appalachian mountains used to be connected with what's now the Scottish Highlands, if memory serves correctly.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    When I was on the Appalachian trail they had a placard that explained it and said it's also the oldest mountain range in the world, and used to be like 4x the size of the himalayans (which is the youngest.) Others have disputed that, but just internet randos with no sources, I trust the NPS placard.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I trust the NPS placard.

    If it was placed before 2025, sure.

    Nowadays, though, they're being systematically torn out and replaced with MAGA christofascist propaganda. Think "war of northern aggression" and destruction of anything about black history, for example.

    I wouldn't put it past them to replace info about plate tectonics with creationist bullshit eventually.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It was a long time ago, and I trust that nps placard. The ones in the cities are not so reliable. I saw one in Independence square in philly that blamed the quakers of all people for slavery (they were against it from the start,) and otherwise projected blame, credit for the placard was like, avenging our ancestors or some shit. The south rose again and took us from the inside, except they did it by an unholy alliance with big business and religion, and it will destroy us all, and our republic.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)
    1. Scotia plate (bits of Patagonia),
    2. South American plate,
    3. Altiplano plate,
    4. North Andes plate,
    5. Panama plate,
    6. Caribbean plate,
    7. North America plate,
    8. Pacific plate (Baja California peninsula, southern California).
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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago*

    We did! The canal is tens of meters deep, while bedrock is typically not more than a few meters below the surface anywhere on earth (except where cover naturally collects in places like valleys).

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    If America is one continent, then Afro-Eurasia is also one continent.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago) (5 children)

    Are we opening the how many continents are there can of worms? Because it makes me incontinent.

    I say 9. India is its own continent(al plate so it totally counts) and I like Oceanía being a continent

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Most earthworms are not native to the Americas.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    well how long they been invasive for? when do we define native because horses went extinct and then came back. are they native or not because they fit the environment damn well.

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  • [–] 10 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Third grade was a tricky year for all of us

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago* (3 children)

    Depends on which third grade. Some countries learn about America as one continent in e.g. a six-continent model. Which I think is silly given the obvious first continental divide to go would be the Eurasian one that only exists for historical reasons.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Which I think is silly given the obvious first continental divide to go would be the Eurasian one that only exists for historical reasons.

    America makes sense for historical reasons as well. After all it is a massive settlers colony of different European nations. The Spanish influence very much connects both continents, if you want to do that.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is the correct model. America developed very similarly, unlike parts of Eurasia which is why Europe and Asia are definitely culturally distinct, but America isn‘t. At least not for a lot of us.

    Sorry „north“ Americans, but you‘re not that different from Argentinians to us.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago

    Developed very similarly? On what time scale? Inuit, Salish, Cherokee, Aztec, Inca, and Rapa Nui are all pretty distinct. Post-colonialism there's lots of differences between French, English, Spanish, and Portugese influence. And topographically the North Andes are a pretty solid border (though in many ways it makes more sense to extend out to the coast).

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    Seems like you enjoyed US education. North America and South America are 2 continenta. They are sometimes referred to as The Americas when talking about them. Same as how europe and asia is called eurasia. Oh and "central america" is a part of north america.

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  • [–] 70 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    It's crazy to me that anybody can see this old washed up orange piece of shit and think, yeah, I'd follow that guy's orders.

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  • [–] 40 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    People treat him like he's literally the second coming of Jesus. Imagine living such a sad and depraved life that he's your model of a perfect man

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I know someone who has never cared about a non-american before but thinks the Iran war is justified because "those people were killing thousands of protesters". This person also normally doesn't speak highly of any protester I'm aware of.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    Same with Cuba right now. The US claims to be concerned about Cuba’s democratic deficits and human rights violations. All while ignoring their own democratic backsliding and ICE's gestapo-like racial cleansing of the population.

    I'm convinced that MAGA is attracting many people who live a rough life. Poorly educated, resentful, low income people whose attention is fixed on the next paycheck and the cost of groceries. Again and again, I see that many of them seem to view society as a zero sum game. Meaning "if those foreign looking people get punished now, I will surely be better off next month, right???"

    The problem is systemic. I blame the chronic failure of political education across the country. Because of that, I do not expect meaningful political change unless it is triggered by some kind of major rupture, crash, or shock.

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  • [–] 45 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Americans still go without healthcare, struggle to pay rent, struggle to buy fucking groceries, but we somehow have more than enough to wage unnecessary war.

    We need a revolution.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago

    the subsidies from covid ended it allowed the subsidies to go back tot he pre-covid times(the schumer help end), and customers so a massive increase in thier preminums, it was on various insurance sub reddits, strangely its missing from news subs so nobody really was talking about that, reddit was definitely suppressing the news to prevent alarm.

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  • [–] 120 points 7 months ago (16 children)
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  • [–] 15 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, at this point everyone knows Trump lies out of his ass, right?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Going by Trump's actions in first term, the "no wars" thing was the rare promise that was actually pretty believable.

    Trump first term didn't start new big wars, and withdrew from e.g. Afghanistan (in a bullshit way, but still). Based on past actions, and yes because Trump promised it, I believed that Trump would be isolationist in his second term.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    huh, somehow I missed that we left Afghanistan because of Trump:

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020%E2%80%932021_U.S._troop_withdrawal_from_Afghanistan

    Because the troop withdrawal happened under Biden, I thought it was Biden that withdrew from Afghanistan.

    It's so ironic then that Biden was so criticized for the consequences of Trump's agreements with the Taliban 💀

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    It’s so ironic then that Biden was so criticized for the consequences of Trump’s agreements with the Taliban 💀

    Trump was responsible for the vast majority of bad outcomes, yup. And the media did not reflect that.

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  • [–] 17 points 7 months ago (8 children)

    where's all those "Free Palestine" folks that were parroting this bullshit?

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  • [–] -1 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    People who want a free Palestine don't and have never supported Trump, I don't know why liberals keep parroting this.

    Also "where are they" in the anti-ICE actions and similar movements (plenty in No Kings), you can easily see Palestine flags and the like if you actually paid attention to local movements

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (3 children)

    https://lemmy.ml/comment/14779139

    The harris campaign decided to be pro-war and buddy up with incredibly unpopular warmonger dick cheney.

    She put no significant distance between her foreign policy and trump’s. If you really think lemmy lefties are the reason harris lost then you probably haven’t been outside in a long time

    https://lemmy.ca/comment/12663066

    Biden/Harris are extremely pro war. Every candidate including and since Obama (gave top 2 spots to HRC and Biden). The worst thing about Biden, beside demonic warmongering on Russia, is how friendly and respectful he is to Republicans and Netanyahu. They just walk all over him in return.

    https://lemmy.ml/comment/14842143

    Funnily enough the very same argument also can be used for Harris and genocide, immgirant oppression, warmongering and everything else here.

    this one is my favorite

    https://lemmy.ml/post/21494718

    They’re using synpathy towards people suffering genocide to try and coral people to the polls. I’ve seen this before. What happened with Roe V Wade? Why are kids still in cages at the border? Why is minimum wage still so low?

    Madam Vice President, too little has been done on issues that were previously promised. I cannot take these people at their word.

    Want my vote? End support now. It’s been a year of genocide with you at the right hand of Biden. All those lives lost happened on your watch. I will not be duped into voting for someone who has been complicit in commiting genocide, who is now promising to stop that same genocide because it happens to coincide with their political goals.

    I will not support a genocide, on the promise of it being ended, only to wake up on January 21st just to hear 'Well, the situation is more complicated than just simply ending support, but I vow…!"

    You’ve had a year to end it, and too little has been done to stop it. I will not vote for a genocidal candidate. I will not say that I support genocide by voting for these people. I will not be an accomplice.

    It’s sickening to think that they probably allowed the genocide to continue just to use it as a carrot to lead people to the ballot box, all the while lining the pockets of the military industrial complex.

    Fuck off with your promises, you’re in the White House now.

    this particular user, halykthered@lemmy.ml, hasn't been active since March 2025. 🤔 I wonder if they accomplished their mission.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (2 children)

    You have, interestingly enough, searched for a random Lemmy user that neither I nor you can verify as anyone at all, and decided they are the Avatar of Palestinian Activists™. If I wanted to waste your time I could easily find a Harris deadend account on any website who says heinous things and ask why they are clearly Literally You.

    Meanwhile, you have neglected to mention how the comment of "where did the activists go??" is stupid and easily disproven by existing in reality. Why did you do this?

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  • [–] 0 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    where's the proof?

    shows proof

    not good enough!

    I have a feeling I could find whatever "proof" you're looking for and you would still reject it because you refuse to admit that there were (are) Free Palestine supporters who echoed MAGA bullshit to redirect votes away from Harris in some foolish hope that those votes would go to independent candidates.

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    A single Lemmy user does not represent a massive movement involving millions of people and you know it.

    You don't want to have proof, you want to slander People Who Do Things by saying that random internet users are the reason for American Fascism, instead of acknowledging that: a) most Palestinian activists voted for Harris (you can see statistics on this, instead of the anecdotes you claim as "proof") b) like most campaigns, the Harris campaign lost (to an idiot fascist, no less!) because it failed to convince the majority of voters (who aren't activists at all, but politically apathetic) to vote for it.

    You do not care, though, you want to scapegoat and blame anyone except for your favorite genocidal politicians and fascists for the current state of the US, despite the fact this has been building for decades. You are someone who would've comfortably ignored most problems under Harris, and are more offended that you might be personally affected by oppression this time, instead of reading about it on the news and shrugging. This is fine; what is not fine is blaming people who decried such oppression then and now, who are far more serious about handling fascism than you, someone who thinks resistance is when you cry about losing useless neoliberal #1000 (nowhere to be seen right now, BTW) on the internet instead of Doing Things.

    You claim to care about "echoing MAGA bullshit" but echo their lack of giving a shit for people who are suffering under Your Team. To say there are Palestine supporters who have bad ideas is like saying there are liberals who have bad ideas! Wow, some people in these massive movements are dumb!? My goodness, clearly they are all responsible for Trump! Time to not reflect on the systems I support whatsoever!

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  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    So... about that Peace Prize...

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    Like the committee didn't see this coming. The guy changed the name from the Dept of DEFENSE, to the Dept of WAR. You don't think the Nobel Committee doesn't understand what that signals? They tend to be pretty smart people, but dummies like MAGA don't recognize intelligence. It's an entirely foreign concept to them. So he thought he was getting something over on them, getting the Peace Prize, then attacking everybody, so he could hide behind his Peace Prize, saying it's THEIR fault, I didn't start it, I have a Peace Prize. And his idiot followers would actually parrot that, just like they are parroting that Iran started this war 47 years ago.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I don't think there are any voters besides military contractors and politicians who are in favor of these wars. No one wants to spend our hard earned money blowing up a bunch of starving homeless people on the other side of the ocean.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I'm related to one. They believe everything Fox News says and will twist themselves into logical pretzels to attempt to justify it when presented with evidence countering the narrative Fox says, even if it directly contradicts their own experience.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago (3 children)
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    They just elected a right wing guy playing off the fear of crime, they used to be one of the safest but have had a crime wave. Columbia's president just said they found a score or so of charred bodies on the Columbian side of the border that were bombed too. The US violated their sovereignty just the other day.

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  • [–] 32 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    A constant state of war is essential to fascism.

    The reality is, there will eventually be a draft. Will Americans stand for it? Probably.

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    [–] 15 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I was not even aware of somalia. ugh.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    At this point I'm convinced Trump raped, tortured, killed and ate the babies in the Trump-Epstein files... distractions are wild... and working

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    But the oil price shock is going to hurt Trump electorally, and normal people's wallets, way worse than the Epstein files. So in a sense it is silly to say that the distraction is "working".

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  • [–] 2 points 7 months ago

    DoJ stopped releasing Epstein files indefinitely, because or Iran... so yeah, I think it's working. MAGA is a cult, it's not rational. What you think it might hurt him, it might as well make him stronger in the eyes of his followers... After everything that has happened, most of his base still follows him and will vote for him.

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  • Remember "terrorist" is an ill defined term trump can apply to anyone who thumbs their nose at him and use as justification for sending our sons overseas to kill them.

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago* (1 child)

    Why is Biden such a warmonger?

    This is clearly the Dems fault.

    What was Obama doing during 9-11?

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago

    4 continents. He called Carney governor again recently.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Nuke Antarctica already and be the first to declare care on penguins!

    Seriously though this timeline is so disappointing that it may Happen. Bad time to stop sniffing glue i guess.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    I'm out of the loop, what happened now?

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