Then americans be: hey European countries, spend moar on arms!!
Good luck over there!
Then americans be: hey European countries, spend moar on arms!!
Good luck over there!
These figures for doing these things are inflated too. Childcare, healthcare, everything, private equity, and consolidation, and lack of enforcement of antitrust laws has led to price fixing, on all of this. None of this costed this much in our parents day.
Anyone has sources for the calculations/plans that support the amounts ?
I would love to share this to some friends
Edit: assuming the downvote is because I dropped a link with no context: it's an anti war track about exactly this from a British folk artist
I had to look up the bridge dollar amount because I thought that was way too low. Turns out that it's very accurate.
https://www.fhwa.dot.gov/bridge/nbi/sd2024.cfm
We really do suck on what gets prioritized.
Poor and POC have been yelling about this for over 100 years. We were told to get some bootstraps and to stop looking for handouts. The Pentagon can't account for 60% of its already spent money and they want another $200 billion to kill poor brown people overseas? At least if they bombed us we'd be getting to see our tax dollars in person, if even for a milliseconds. Bets slowly dying in the world's best and wealthiest nation.
But think of the children!
Don't forget that they also always want tax cuts - especially for the rich. Trump's platform both elections have promised significant tax reductiona for personal and business taxes - and delivered (one of the few campaign promises he's kept to).
Only personal taxes for the wealthy. The rest of us got an increase.
You whiners are losing sight of the big-picture, important stuff, like the unmitigated scandal where Hunter Biden once received a drink on the house.
And Obama wore a tan suit once!!
Lamestream media refuses to keep America first demonism of democrat interference in Dijon mustard scandal. The midterms will still hopefully focus on the important undeniable America first accomplishment: The glorious White House ballroom, where patriots will vote their conscience on supporting the party that keeps Trump alive for 2 6 more years.
Just imagine if we had health coverage that wasn't tied to our jobs. If you had enough money to live on you could -- gasp -- quit your job and couch it up or find a different one. Can't have that though, because that's too much like actual freedom.
What's all the more ridiculous is, the US government already spends like $2-3T per year on medical spending (Medicare, Medicaid, Tricare, etc). And that's not enough somehow.
It's people who are to blame.
Instead of voting for people who profit from war, they should vote for people who profit from the universal healthcare, childcare, absence of poverty.
To be fair to the people, it's not as if the big elections are a buffet of selection. Having to choose between light and dark meat doesn't help me if I want a salad.
What if one of the meats is doing a sig heil and stealing from kids cancer funds?
I mean yes, it should be cut and dry given the current dynamic. Picking between two options when one is crawling with maggots is a pretty easy choice but that wasn't really my point.
Unfortunately my point matters less than I wish it did. Loads of people don't bother voting anyway, many that do vote are ill informed to some extent, and enough show up thinking they'll get big and strong by eating maggots.
The system is rigged that the only way to run in politics is to get multiple MILLIONS in donorship
And that's just not possible except for if you do dodgy deals or are already a millionaire.
This ends up making the choices;
Or
Voting doesn't make a difference, the system needs to be overthrown.
At this point we need just average ppl to run for office. The entire government needs to be changed out like dialysis. I'm already researching my options to run.
Liberals upvoting you and agreeing furiously because they voted for "most lethal military" Kamala cop city Harris will downvote this comment without reflecting on the irony.
Meanwhile, MAGA voters are agreeing as well because they voted for "definitely won't do a war, trust me" Donald cranky old fart Trump will upvote, though, also without reflecting on the irony.
I'm surprised it was upvoted TBH. Basically it was an irony highlighting the fact that the general population's well-being is not profitable and therefore is not possible within the current system. As Grigory Yudin put it, Democracy is not elections.
See, the issue is that war is the business with the biggest margin.
That, and the added benefit of putting all the world in a state of survival which is seldom conductive of thoughtful reflection but rather throws most people Intl mindless consumption nowadays.
As long as they have streaming services most people will shrug off the sad and dangerous state of affairs, simply because its easier and confortable.
Are those figures to end those things for good or just a year?
I agree with the sentiment just curious about the figures.
Can someone please introduce a $200b bill for some of these things at the same time Pete puts out his hand?
Funny how money shows up instantly for some things, but disappears for others 🤔
We could do all of that, and fix all the roads, and build high-speed rail, but no, pedophiles need more private islands and mega yachts
And I thought the US was a $200B damage hurricane away from debt collapse
Nah, as long as the dollar is the world's reserve currency and the government is a net positive for the bank accounts of the world's billionaires and multinational corporations, it'll be held up as per the "too big to fail" policy no matter the amount of debt.
The moment that either or both of those things stop being true (which used to be beyond impossible, but now could be just a year or two away), it could make 1930 seem like a boom year in comparison.
This is a really huge amount of money, FYI. Itemization of it isn't yet available until it gets to congress, but some estimates of $30B-$50B are for "regional/global needs" that are essentially repairs/reconstruction of previous capabilities now lost. If your loving congresscritters don't pay, then China will take over GCC. ROC/Japan allotments are unlikely to be prioritized, but then likely to leave US orbit. China has seriousfaced offered Taiwan peaceful reunification in exchange for some sweet LNG.
Someone is profiting from the war and no one profits from those other things
Simply not true. All those reforms would be a huge economic stimulus to all of those sectors. Imagine how much activity would be generated in all of those sectors, and activity equals money.
The problem isn't profit, it's that those things help people, and more importantly, it EMPOWERS them, and MAGA doesn't want that. They wants us to remain weak and struggling, and dependent on them.
We have the money, it is just managed by people who want to spend it on enslaving us instead of freeing us.
Also "universal college" gives all companies a huge pool of skilled and specialized workers.
This is the reason we have public schools in first place. Government is not "thinking of the kids." Corporate simply profits from literate population that can do basic math and use technology.
Ideally companies like amazon would pay a portion of the extra profits they made back into the education through taxes and keep it going, but in practice we reject free school lunches because "education is a privilege."
Unfortunately, that's Old School thinking. The new mindset among the Sociopathic Oligarchs is that we won't need education in the future since AI and robotics is going to replace nearly all of us in the workforce. Thus, education to create productive workers is no longer necessary.
Instead, it will be more important to use education for political indoctrination, so we will better accept & support our slavery and exploitation, and not understand enough about our society to be able to fight back.
Over simplified by comment: almost no one profits from those other investments. That said, I agree with you that the profitability is very focused. And America still is a huge weapon manufacturer, so war is always good for some very important people there.
This has always been a WHOLE political problem. Not just the assholes in red hats.
You're right, the Dems haven't done their part at all, but we all know the biggest problem is going to be the MAGAs. We can elect enough Progressives to get to a place where we can actually get legislation for Universal Health Care, but EVERY MAGA will vote against it.
Any politicians that are a potential threat to the status quo will never be put into positions to challenge that status quo. People can elect them all day long and they won't have any power.
This is part of the problem. When you send the message that you expect them to do nothing, they will absolutely do nothing, and that's YOUR fault for surrendering in advance.
We have to let them know that we EXPECT them to act decisively, and them punish them on Election Day if they won't do what they are told. The Reagan Republicans did that, and took over their party from the old guard, and it led to them having far more power than they should.
The Dems have to reproduce that success, and they will have the advantage of Trump's death in the not so distant future. When that happens, the Trump Cult of Personality will fracture, the knives will come out, and the back-stab ing will begin. The Dems should have a plan in place to capitalize on that chaos among MAGA.
Decades of history have already told us that they are not going to do what they are told. We don't need to wait till Election day, at that point, it's too late. They wouldn't even release the findings of their own research of how they failed in 2024, because those findings showed that it was self inflicted. Politics of the 80s are not the same as politics of today, Up until Bill Clinton, it was a very distinctive Democrat Party, a very distinctive Republican Party. At this point we have two right wing factions fighting the working class to stay in power.
I don't care about history. These are unprecedented times, and they require unprecedented solutions. We SCREAMED for justice for Trump and MAGA during the Biden administration, and they all but ignored us.
That will NOT happen again, or they will leave us no choice but to deal with it ourselves, and if THAT happens, stubbornly cowardly Democrats are going to find themselves standing right alongside the MAGA criminals.
They WILL do what we tell them the next time, or else. It is time for the good Citizens of this country to stop being polite, and demand justice, OR ELSE.
I actually think we may get that. The next crop of new Congressional Rep's and Senators that will almost certainly give the Dems the majority in both Chambers, and they aren't running for office to provide Business As Usual. They are coming in to reform the system and they will have The People behind them. The old guard is going to have to welcome them, and give them what they want, because those new elected representatives carry the people's mandate, and they all know it, and more importantly, WE know it, and are going to insist that that new mandate leads the way.
We aren't asking for much. We aren't looking for political retribution like MAGA is. We are only looking for justice for their CRIMES, which are many, and notorious. They all need to be charged and prosecuted for what they have done to this country, and it's citizens, and to outsiders who deserve the protections of our laws.
We are only looking for justice for their CRIMES. Is that too much to demand?
These are not unprecedented times, they've done this time and time again, which is why their history does matter. Liberals thought the same change was gonna change when the squad got elected. None of them were given any positions of power or influence until they started parroting the same party bullshit, and the ones that didn't are never talked about anymore. They thought Hope and Change™ was gonna bring about progress, but we ended up with another Reagan in blackface, or as Malcolm X called them, a house negro.
They've been given multiple chances over multiple decades, they have no interest in allowing the system to change that they benefit from so much. Which is why the party and their voters fight harder to prevent leftists from gaining a foothold than they do Republicans.
BlueMAGA doesnt wnt it either
Obviously the loss of human life is terrible, but I want to add an economic reason also.
War is just absolutely terrible for the global economy. Munitions are single use. They explode and are gone. Not to mention the destruction of manufacturing, human lives, and general instability of wartorn regions.
Investing in infrastructure improves commerce. Investing in education, healthcare, and other social services increases worker productivity and number of workers. It's a no-brainer from an economic perspective to invest in all of those things.
A rising tide lifts all ships.
The problem is that they want us sinking below the waves, not rising above them.
You're looking at it from the payors' perspective.
If you look at it from the sellers' perspective (or that of those in cahoots with them) then it suddenly becomes a very good deal economically.
End homelessness, 20-30B. Yeah, that's a real number!
I am totally against the war, but these numbers are complete from the depths of someone's ass.
I'd like to signal boost @BarneyPiccolo's insightful comment, but really everything he has said in this thread is spot on.
When you understand the nature of game, you can't unsee the patterns. The oligarchs are all vying for more power; money is just how they keep score. Enmiseration of the populace isn't even as profitable as a content, healthy, educated populace, but it's a "nice" shortcut to expanding the power of a few (read: enslaving the proles). We never banned slavery in the US; we merely shifted the cost of ownership to the slaves.
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