This isn’t about “owning the libs” — this is the highest office in the nation using technology to lie to the entire world.

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[–] 134 points 9 months ago (3 children)

It’s ok, I never trusted any audio/video/images from this administration in the first place.

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  • [–] 80 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    You sure? That AI video Trump made where he shat on the American public seemed convincing enough…

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  • [–] 91 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    I’m getting a lot of miles out of Orwell these days.

    This process of continuous alteration was applied not only to newspapers, but to books, periodicals, pamphlets, posters, leaflets, films, sound-tracks, cartoons, photographs -- to every kind of literature or documentation which might conceivably hold any political or ideological significance. Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date. In this way every prediction made by the Party could be shown by documentary evidence to have been correct, nor was any item of news, or any expression of opinion, which conflicted with the needs of the moment, ever allowed to remain on record. All history was a palimpsest, scraped clean and reinscribed exactly as often as was necessary.

    • 1984
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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Day by day and almost minute by minute the past was brought up to date

    The record was corrected?

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    My partner was fake edited in one of the DHS videos in Portland! He was wearing a moth man costume and dancing to EDM at the ICE center and they put fake smoke and filters over it to make him look scary lol.... Absolutely ridiculous.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    “The Radical Left^tm^ are allied with the “Mothman,” known infamously for being behind the 9/11 attacks on the twin towers and the Oklahoma City bombing, among others. Make America Safe Again. Join ICE today, or perish tomorrow!”

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    [–] 39 points 9 months ago

    The US government and everyone that stands behind it, they want to make those who fight against ICE look like dangerous creatures that roam the Earth and must be stopped. They want to look like they're in total control, by making these fighters look desperate for their lives when they are arrested, by celebrating whenever one of them is killed. But most importantly, they want us to fight each other, so that we forget who is our true opponent on what is basically a war on our rights as human beings.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    “It’s just a meme,” has the same energy as a confronted schoolyard bully, and apparently that’s just accepted etiquette now :/

    Ive seen the same sentiment on Lemmy. Manipulative/misleading articles or even straight up misinformation is posted, and when I bring it up, OP’s response is “I don’t care.” As long as it’s the right ideology, it’s alright; and mods didn’t disagree.


    …We’re so screwed, aren’t we? And by “we” I mean the internet. It’s nice to think of the Fediverse an oasis from all this, but it engineered in the same structural issues commercial social media has, I think.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    „It‘s just a meme“ was proven false when Americans voted Trump for the first time „as a meme“. Yes, I remember many of them claiming they did that ironically the first time. Of course that was a lie and they stopped pretending to be just useful idiots the second time around. They‘re simply nasty people.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

    The horrible truth is many of the people who have the right opinion got there in the same stupid flawed ways as people who have the wrong opinion, and are deep down no better, but just accidentally appear to be so. These people just want what they want, they don't care if it makes sense, they don't care about validating their beliefs against reality or having logical arguments for their beliefs. They don't want to be know truth, they want what they already believe to be truth.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    The only good people are people who are brave enough to actively test their beliefs and earnestly question their own ideology (and accept that they even have one).

    Almost no one does this. People often even say they "don't have an ideology". Its convenient, if you have no belief system there is nothing to question.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I agree. I think the only refinement I'd add to this statement is that such people aren't even necessarily located in "good" territory. They have a velocity in the direction of goodness, but their position may still be in bad territory. And likewise there are people who are in good territory but have a velocity in the direction of bad territory. What a complicated world...

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I mean, I've interacted with someone with active anti-semitic beliefs in a dedicated debate space who eventually changed his views to "Well, its not the Jews fault that they got into finance. They just kind of got funneled into that." So absolutely people with shitty views can evolve in the right direction. I respect that a million times more than someone who is morally lucky and never budges.

    And example of the opposite would be someone who adopts progressive stances of their time and never evolved from there or have selective self serving progressive blinders. "LGB w/o the T", rainbow capitalists, Red-brown alliance types, etc.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    This is the part where they do the thing they're about to start accusing others of also doing.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (6 children)

    I don't know if this is a good thing or a bad thing. I mean, obviously it's a bad thing in the short term. I'm sure the current administration will continue to lie in more egregious ways. For example, if there were no clear bystander videos, would the DHS be releasing doctored bodycam footage to show Alex Pretti pulling his gun and trying to shoot ICE officers? Does that sound far-fetched? It's technically feasible. It might seem too big and blatant a lie, but that lie has already been told in words from the DHS and Trump administration. Why not embellish it further?

    And of course it's enormously dangerous because no matter how blatant the lies are, there are many people who will accept them at face value, because they are too uneducated, or too locked into the "us and them" mentality to ever doubt the story that their team is selling.

    So how could it be a good thing? Well, if the USA manages to rid itself of this cancer, the Trump administration will serve as irrefutable proof that government institutions cannot be considered intrinsically trustworthy, or relied on to act in good faith. There needs to be checks and balances like never before. That was always true, but knowing it and being able to act on it are two different things. The Trump administration's eagerness to lie, cheat and cause suffering, even in the most clumsy and blatant ways, shines a clear light on dangers that were already there. It is an exemplary model of the abuse of power, and I hope that one day we will be in a position to take lessons from it. Maybe I'm being overoptimistic. It seems like the lessons learned from Nazi Germany were mostly the "how to do this" kind. But there is a chance to make things better here, not just better than they are now but better than they were before.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    So how could it be a good thing? Well, if the USA manages to rid itself of this cancer, the Trump administration will serve as irrefutable proof that government institutions cannot be considered intrinsically trustworthy, or relied on to act in good faith.

    This only works if the population is wanting to sustain it. Previous horrible presidencies has shown us that they will sweep it all under the rug and move on to the next bad thing.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Previous presidencies have indeed done that, but that's why this particular situation gives me a glimmer of hope. The rot is at the point where it all needs to be ripped out. All branches of government are loaded with MAGA appointees, the supreme court is politicized and disgraced, the whole Republican party is complicit in crimes against the nation. Business as usual just isn't an option any more. I'm not saying that things are automatically going to get better, and unless there is a major cleanout of the Democratic party, it's doubtful that they would. Just saying that there is a chance now that didn't exist before.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    I agree. When we take it back, we can't just go on like business as usual. We have to crush MAGA, and purge it from our government and society, before we can move on and fix the systemic problems that have been neglected for far too long. Our Citizens, our Nation, the World, and History require that before we can redeem ourselves.

    We can do that by declaring MAGA to be the the National Security Threat that they unarguably are. They have committed sedition, treason, had an Insurrection, stole hundreds of classified documents, permanently damaged our relationship with our allies, strengthened our enemies, damaged our economy on the international stage, engaged in mind-boggling corruption, sent death Squads into the streets to kill American citizens, etc. Whether their destructive intentions have been deliberate, or just as the result of their virtuosic incompetence isnt relevant, they are still an existential threat to the future of this nation, and must be prohibited from existing.

    In addition, active members, especially MAGA leadership and elected MAGAs, need to be designated Domestic Terrorists, and Insurrectionists, and prohibited from holding public office for life, under 14A/S3.

    The second Trump administration needs to be found invalid, due to election fraud, and all legislation, executive orders, appointments, etc., should all be rolled back. That includes his pardons, and all those traitors should be sent back to prison. Those who attempt to evade the order, should get an additional 10 years on their sentences. Laws should be passed that presidential pardons cannot be used to cover, advance, or excuse criminal activity.

    The Democratic Party can become the party of the right that they've always wanted to be, and a true progressive party can rise to represent the left.

    Hardcore Right Wing Nut Jobs will have to recalibrate their politics and learn to fit in, or remain MAGA and be reviled by society like KKK and Neo-Nazis should be.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I agree with what you're saying, but also I think that after a crisis like the current one, there is potential to seriously examine general questions of how we got here, what systemic problems have led to this, and what weaknesses in our systems have been exposed by this. It's a unique opportunity to fix what is broken, because all serious people can find common ground in the understanding that things have gone to shit lately and that it does need fixing. It's a rare chance for good faith discussion and significant change. Well-informed proponents of positive change might actually be heard and taken seriously.

    The dangers of false propaganda using image manipulation is one important consideration but there are many, many others. You'd probably want to start with the failure of democracy in the USA and how the electoral system needs to be reformed.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    And I agree with that 100%. I've been voting for a looong time, and my pet issues are Medicare 4 All, and Campaign Finance Reform, the most important issues in America at the moment, IMHO.

    However, we will never be able to accomplish those objectives, or anything else, as long as MAGA is roaming the landscape, literally raping and pillaging. They represent an authentic existential threat to American Democracy, and must be crushed and purged BEFORE we can move on, and start the reforms that this nation needs badly.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    I have absolutely no doubt that if there were no external videos we would all be seeing pictures and videos of Alex Pretti brandishing, and most probably shooting a gun. No doubt whatsoever.

    I wouldn't put it past the orange child rapist and cronies to make up a complete back story about Alex being "involved with domestic terrorists" etc etc.

    They will do absolutely anything to stay in power.

    The real question is:
    If they did AI up some pics and videos then would anyone with clout pull them up on it?
    Again, I doubt it.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    So it's GUIMP? I thought it was "GNU Image Manipulation Program."

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    Since when have they been not using image manipulation for propaganda?

    Sure it's way easier now, but it's not like manipulating images is a new tactic.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You should specify which government

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    I automatically think anything coming from this administration is propaganda bull shit taken from the horror version of Idiocracy.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    Who could have seen this coming.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Man, are they gonna be pissed when people use this against them as well. Collectively we have more time to do stupid shit :)

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The truth is more than enough, though.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Welcome to the 20th Century.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Aren't we in the 21st Century?

    20th ended in the year 2001

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Beware: water is wet

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Looks like we're going to end up a crossover of North Korea and Russia.

    All because conservatives hate America and enough others don't give enough of a fuck to stop conservatives from destroying America.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    OH MY GOD THERE ARE BEARS SHITTING IN THE WOODS!

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I would expect breaking "phone gets an update pushed out like an Amber Alert" news if anyone in the administration told the truth

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Wow, I don't know how I didn't notice this /sarcasm

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    I'm godsmacked, I tell ya whhat

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago

    Did we not already know this? Really?

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    [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    In other news: water is wet

    Sorry, that’s a total smartass dick comment, just kinda gettin in the bandwagon and voicing my existing frustration.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The "both sides" in the comments are exhausting.

    Trump administration is literally denying video evidence, and using AI to manipulate photos in newspapers.

    One is way more fucking bad than the other. And shame on you if you can't tell the fucking difference.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    They can tell the difference. But you'd be amazed at the mental gymnastics someone with extremely strong motivations can engage in.

    You gotta remember that these are mostly people who went back to the Trump trough three times in a row, even as he's been steadily destabilizing and destroying their lives. If they admit they fucked up now, they have to admit they've been fucking up for over a decade, non-stop. Many of them would literally rather die than do that.

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    I was going to say that I don't understand why they put any effort into faking anything if they're going to blatantly lie about what we've all seen.

    However, there's a reason to fake things. It's not to convince people that the faked things are real. It's to convince people that the real things are faked.

    Edit: typo

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    [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Are you saying this is a fake pic? Who'd have known.

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