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[–] 329 points 7 months ago (4 children)

Kim: Aw shit I regret my contract. Maybe I can get out of it by lying. I need tons of lies. I need to lie and bullshit like a madman. I need to spout tons of absolute unhinged bullshit with a straight face.

ChatGPT: This. Is. My. Moment.

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  • [–] 35 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Too bad ChatGPT lacks the self-awareness (let alone any actual reasoning skills whatsoever) to appreciate it.

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  • [–] 241 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I was against ChatGPT, but now I think it could be useful as a moron honeypot.

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  • [–] 126 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Holy hell, the fact that those slack messages and that chatbot history ended up in court is mind blowing. I guess we should be grateful that this time, the bad guy and his hamfisted "Project X" got put in the spotlight.

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  • [–] 120 points 7 months ago (18 children)

    You never go full ChatGPT.

    I mean, if this is the way the average CEO is handling ChatGPT, a lot of things start to make sense.

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  • [–] 114 points 7 months ago (10 children)

    You'd be surprised how many CEOs are absolute morons who have successfully failed their way upwards into the C-suite by simply being agreeable to higher management, and greedy enough to fuck others over.

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  • [–] 59 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    as someone who deals directly with these CEOs and their startups/small companies, no it doesn't surprise me. I deal with them on a daily basis. they're all collectively idiots that somehow fell into a barrel full of thumbs and came out sucking tits. They learned catch phrases and linkedin buzzwords and have the ability to con investors who are arguably more stupid than the CEOs.

    My entire lively hood is based purely off their collective idiocy. they utilize AI/LLM's for builds, they fire virtually all their senior dev teams, then when things naturally go south they hire me to come in and pay me, honeslty, WAY more than I should be paid to code review their AI slop and tell them how fucked they are. that's literally my job now. All they know are buzzwords and the ability to throw money at a problem that will then hopefully vanish but it never does.

    I've had conversations with some of these morons where they've openly admitted to me that they "asked chatgpt and it said we should do this and this" so this CEO asking chatgpt for legal advice does not surprise me at all.

    What i've learned is to get ahead in life all you need to do is abandon all your ethics and morals, learn some catchy buzzwords, and be a complete moron. The world then rewards you for it.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago* (3 children)

    how does one get such a wonderful job

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    like it or not linkedin and replying to tech bros posts calling them out. eventually a desperate upper manager or cto or ceo will notice and contact me to fix their fuck up. I used to just do contract dev work but I got tired of constantly reading bullshit on linkedin while trying to get work. so I started replying to the bullshit. eventually people seeing my replies figured I knew what I was talking about and would contact me for help. Now I get gigs purely from word of mouth.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    You misspelled being related to the previous CEO or a good friend of theirs.

    Someone straight up getting promoted to CEO from below is a bit more rare. They usually have been a CEO somewhere else before that due to relations.

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  • [–] 34 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    Im convinced that the CEOs use it to write some emails or brainstorm ideas and suddenly they think it can do everything, so they fire everyone and then everything falls apart because it cant do what they think it can.

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  • [–] 36 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I work at a small company of <100 people, and fortunately the CEO is a human that treats his employees like other humans and recognizes that without us, there would be no company anymore. However, all of his emails sound like the most heavily sanitized corpo-marketing-speak. If you were to judge him by his emails alone, you would never guess that. As it turns out, he uses Copilot to draft emails. When I found that out, it made so much more sense.

    On a certain level, I get it. I hate writing emails. But the AI slop emails make him seem like a corporate goon and they ultimately dehumanize him to new employees. I don't know if he realizes how impersonal the AI makes him seem. He probably has become slop-blind from using it too much.

    Sorry, only tangentially related. Just kind of ranting here.

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  • [–] 13 points 7 months ago

    If your CEO is genuinely a good person, he would want to know that his emails make him less personable. Maybe you could tell him why the emails do not reflect your in person impression of him, that he actually cares about the employees. The reaction would at least give you good insight into who how he thinks.

    Unfortunately, a lot of CEOs have crazy schedules, so they are constantly looking for ways to optimize their time. I think this drive is big reason why they love AI so much, in general.

    I wish we weren’t obsessed with optimizing profits no matter the cost in the US.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago*

    . However, all of his emails sound like the most heavily sanitized corpo-marketing-speak.

    I know exactly what you're talking about. I sometimes use AI to help get a 2nd opinion on what I've written myself if its for my business, and there's a lot of personalization and human touch in how I write things, especially when writing a blog post or an email to a customer I'm not entirely sure about.

    The AI is good for finding areas that might be a little long, or maybe you say something twice and it isn't needed, or you've made a really long run on sentence... but if you were to just take the AI's suggestions at face value and use them, it completely de-perosnalizes it and makes it all trash.

    I have to give it explicit instructions nowadays not to do that, and how I'm only looking for minor things to touch up.

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  • [–] 220 points 7 months ago (9 children)

    Watching a CEO get fucked by using AI is orgasmic.

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  • [–] 61 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    The CEO will be fine at the end of the day.

    The workers are going to get fucked, though.

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  • [–] 41 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    At the moment this is a win for the workers. They should get their full share of the payout, now. The main danger is now their parent company may be hostile to them (or even try to close them) until the parent company CEO gets replaced.

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  • [–] 22 points 7 months ago

    until the parent company CEO gets replaced.

    One would hope pulling such a boneheaded move ought to make that happen rather quickly.

    Of course, if this CEO has been there for more than a year or 2, he would probably get a golden parachute for more than the value of his fuckup...

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah. These illegal firings happened around 9 months ago. I doubt these guys had the funds to just sit on the sidelines, doing nothing, hoping that the court would rule in their favour. Even if they're offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they've made other commitments.

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Even if they’re offered their jobs back, it could be that by now they’ve made other commitments.

    Or just don't want to contribute to an organization that tried to fuck them over in the past. I'd be much more inclined to get a payout and move on with my life. What's the point of returning to a job and making more money for the people who just tried to get rid of you to save a buck?

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    With many businesses I'm sure that's true. But, it might be different when you're making something artistic. Subnautica has a lot of passionate fans, and it's a unique kind of game. These guys might really want to finish this game that they poured a lot of themselves into. Maybe not, maybe they just want to move on. But, I think a lot of people who work on games really care about what it is they're doing.

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  • [–] 177 points 7 months ago (21 children)

    This is the kind of successful entrepreneur we're supposed to be looking up to, people.

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  • [–] 116 points 7 months ago (20 children)

    Exactly, the fact this dude at Krafton can sign 250 million dollars deals but is also dumb enough to think a ChatGPT lawyer knows better than his own lawyers... It goes to show that many powerful people were just lucky or inherited their wealth but are definitely not successful because they are smart.

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  • [+] 71 points 7 months ago* (4 children)
  • [–] 31 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Throughout pretty much all of human history it's been apparent that the "nobles" class has been, at best, more trouble than they're worth; and at worst, the instigating spark that creates a nation-destroying blaze.

    It should come as no surprise to anyone who has read a history book that the American nobleman is equally as useless and destructive as his counterpart anywhere else.

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  • [–] 19 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    While undoubtedly true, this story is about a South Korean CEO of a South Korean company.

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  • [–] 30 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    This is why the LLMs are so popular with execs, they are the ultimate yes men. They will feed ego and purport to give a strategy that will support any dumbass idea without challenging them.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    That's half of it. The other half is that these execs think that everybody under them is some kind of replaceable cog in the machine with no special skills. They don't think their job could be replaced by AI. But, they think everyone under them is so unimportant that their job can be done by AI. They're managers. They don't know how to do the work of the people they're managing. They can't tell the difference between an accurate result given to them by someone with knowledge and expertise vs. one created by a slop machine that generates plausibly realistic text.

    If their $1000/hour lawyers tell them one thing, but the bullshit machine tells them something different, they trust whichever one gives them the answer they prefer.

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  • [–] 16 points 7 months ago* (4 children)

    definitely not successful because they are smart.

    I mean, "smart" is a relative term. They were smart enough to find the money hose and latch onto it. But the skills necessary to schmooze $250M out of a creditor are fundamentally different than the skills necessary to manage a workforce or meet the terms of the contract.

    You can call it the Peter Principle or the Principle-Agent Problem or any number of other business short-hands for "skills mismatch". The bottom line is that "meritocracy" in a capitalist system boils down to rent-seeking effectiveness. That's the skill set that is rewarded. And it produces legions of people who train and compete for the opportunity to maximize rent-seeking returns.

    This guy fumbled the ball in a spectacular fashion. But I have no doubt he'll get back on his horse and find another pool of labor to extract wealth from. Because, if he's a CEO, he's honed the skills needed to do exactly that.

    What we get to mock him for is his failure, not his decision. If he'd retrieved a useful answer from the ChatGPT answer lottery, or the courts had been stacked with his friends such that any answer he pulled was considered the right one, he'd be hailed as a business genius on the front page of the WSJ rather than scoffed at in the back pages of 404media.

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  • Exactly "being smart" and "acting smart" are two different things. Usain Bolt is the "fastest" man on Earth, but if he's just chilling on the couch watching TV, I can run right past him.

    Same with these ivy league CEOs, they probably (not necessarily) were smart when taking their tests in school, but if they just leave the fate of their company to chatgpt responses, they're acting as dumb as possible at the current moment.

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  • [–] 1 point 7 months ago (7 children)

    Luck is a factor, but the differentiator is that they have the. Isplaced confidence and drive to just do what they want first. Then the luck let's them get away with it. It's kind of like if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads. So with billions of people in the world. Some have this drive to be on top, misplaced confidence, luck, and situational oportunities (also a good part luck) to end up able to sign 250 million dollar contract. None of that actually requires they have a clue. Sometimes they do, but it isn't required.

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    And no one remembers the failures, except maybe their family with that wacky Uncle that had some crazy get rich quick scheme. In some other timeline, some kids think of their crazy uncle Mark Zuckerberg who dropped out of college because he thought he could do better than MySpace, and now he bounces around chasing various hustles that keep failing.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (5 children)

    if you get a million people to flip a coin 50 times. Some of them will get all 50 to be heads.

    Flipping a coin 50 times has 1.1 quadrillion possible outcomes, only 2 of which are all heads or all tails. I think you'd need more than a few billion to reliably see those results.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    I think though, you get the point.

    Now here is a bonus question for you. If I give you a coin and ask you to flip it 20 times, and they all come up heads. What are the odds that if you flip it again it will come up heads?

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  • [–] 7 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    I think it’s higher than a 50% chance of heads, because you have evidence for it being an unfair coin.

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  • [–] 86 points 7 months ago (4 children)

    I finally got to read this article and the situation is even better/dumber with more context. I didn't realize the layering at first.

    This CEO used AI to avoid paying human lawyers to help him figure out how to avoid paying human game developers.

    This asshole needs to get some kind of "Yo Dawg I heard you like AI" anti-award.

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  • [–] 48 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    Jail would be nice. Someone shouldn't be able to drag that many people through that much pain without repercussions beyond having to do the thing they were avoiding to begin with. Banning his stupid ass from running any more companies would be a decent outcome.

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  • [–] 66 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Krafton did promise to be "AI first" for everything going forward. If you haven't already blocked the publisher on Steam or other services, do so now.

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  • [–] 6 points 7 months ago* (last edited 7 months ago)

    Good point!

    For others doing the same, there's a little gear icon on the punisher page, with an option " Ignore this creator."

    Edit: could also have been on the Publisher page, but I would check both.

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  • [–] 63 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    When I'm in a "make game unattractive to buyers before it comes out" competition and my opponent is Krafton

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  • [–] 12 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    I loved Subnautica. I’ve replayed it more than any game I own. I got it for free from Epic (the only way I get games from Epic). I bought it for Switch. I bought Below Zero. The franchise was shaping to be a “here, take my money” deal.

    I don’t want Subnautica 2. I mean, I want a Subnautica 2 not Krafton Subnautica 2.

    I reserve some blame for the original owners/devs. If they hadn’t sold out, if they had followed more of a Hello Games model, they could’ve coasted indefinitely churning out cool games to loyal fans.

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  • [–] 62 points 7 months ago (12 children)

    I looked up a similar article without a paywall:

    https://www.gamespot.com/articles/ousted-subnautica-2-devs-allege-krafton-asked-ai-how-to-avoid-paying-bonus/1100-6536280/

    "Krafton recently declared itself to be an "AI-first company," which led Unknown Worlds to issue a statement indicating that Subnautica 2 will not feature generative AI."

    The "AI first" shit is pure gold. I love the instant karma. Why are these CEOs throwing their money, reputation, etc. away on AI? Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they're using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.

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  • [–] 21 points 7 months ago (3 children)

    Execs in this sort of company are narrative first, facts a distant second. LLMs speak their language, something agreeable that sounds right whether it is or not.

    BTW, investors are largely in the same boat, they are investing with having no realistic way to know whether the nice things being said are backed by reality up front. They only know if/when it goes down in a blaze.

    Further in gaming, maybe they tank some headliner properties with bad reviews if the mess them up, but it's possible that most of the 'sold' games barely even get played, thanks to Steam hoarding. A lot of businesses can coast on past glory for years and years before things blow up, if at all.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, this is the reason it’s so popular with them. While the baseline ass-kissing of chatGPT makes me vomit, they think it’s the greatest invention in the world and don’t understand how somebody doesn’t love it

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago

    Yeah, I don't get why people like the default tone of those LLMs, they are so grating on me. When I get slop emailed that so greatly amused the person who prompted it, I can't believe they are eager to share rather than repulsed at how cringey it was.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    The LLM will do whatever they tell it to, including making shit up in order to suit the narrative. They're the ultimate "yes-man" that's not even human.

    Unfortunately for CEO's, it turns out that yes-men - or yes-machines - aren't particularly good developers or legal strategists

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  • [–] 14 points 7 months ago

    It's because in order to become a ceo, you have to be a very specific type of person, and the role also attracts this trait of putting money above all else, which fits perfectly to the role.

    Imagine if you invested in a company that helmed a ceo that didn't try to make more money. Right? You'd be upset as the investor-role that your money wasn't working for you, and would take the guy out.

    This is the common, public opinion.

    So the same goes for the CEO: that maximum money be made by being different and taking good chances and staying on top of the technology curve. And OpenAI has been, at least what they, themselves, purport, overwhelmingly successful.

    This is all to say that the role of CEO draws a ton of people who think a lot of themselves and their abilities, because they think fake it until you make it is the role, because it largely is: you have to make bets on decisions to lead like that. Which makes CEOs this sort of hollow, fake-person sort of capitalist sociopath.

    And them betting on AI-first, then, makes a ton of sense if you're that specific type of person. Because, unless you have your own skills and opinions, you will be beholden to the dumbest, fakest, skewed statistical other bullshitters in the world.

    Right now, the companies making all these mistakes that all of us with actual skills and opinions can clearly see, those are just the companies that don't matter, that are leeching off the backs of real industries. Like a group of kids all cheating off each other in a test, and suddenly a bunch of them get the same wrong answer.

    They're literally the people, and boards of people who put them there, who have no fucking idea what they're doing, and in my personal opinion, are very clearly illustrating a weak point with society and humanity and our values and structures across the world. We'll get past this one, for sure. But there will be more. That is the both the curse and the gift of existence.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    The “AI first” shit is pure gold

    It's a pitch to investors. There's dumb money being flung left and right like chimpanzee poop in the zoo

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  • [–] 4 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Same thing happened with blockchain to a lesser extent. I remember my old company forcing us to put blockchain in something, anything, so they could add it to the sales pitches.

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  • [–] 3 points 7 months ago

    Yeah I remember some companies getting their stock price spiking because they said blockchain. It was same like with dotcom bubble in 2000s. You renamed your company from dogshitidea to dogshitidea.com and money was flung at you like ape faeces.

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  • [–] 5 points 7 months ago (1 child)

    Either they are even stupider than I thought, or the tech bros have some kind of massive blackmail machine they're using to take over everything and puppet all the CEOs.

    I think it's a little of each.

    The ones not being blackmailed are desperately trying to look like they're impactful enough to blackmail.

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  • [–] 9 points 7 months ago

    I know the type. They list themselves exclusively on job search sites for high earners like "Ladders", they don't listen to their employees ever because they're a subhuman resource, they are first in line at every ceremony or circle jerk meeting, but nowhere to be found when actual work needs done, they spent the last few years bringing up how badly they want to go back to the office full time, and they unironically speak in corporatese even on Christmas. They like sports teams because they're popular and a good segway, not because they care about the team, they view it as their duty to keep the ranks broken down and working hard in fear of their jobs.

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  • [–] 56 points 7 months ago (7 children)

    If I have to use AI to argue my case in court, it is because I don't have enough money to hire a lawyer. You would think a CEO would understand their position in life.

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  • [–] 78 points 7 months ago

    This indicates that the CEO in question actually misunderstood their lawyer's position in life. AI-pushers really do think that all workers are expendable. They have absolutely drunk the Flavour-Aid on all of this.

    They probably don't even see this as an "oopsie", just an argument to throw even more resources at the AI, because they're SO CLOSE to never having to pay a human for work ever again.

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  • [–] 8 points 7 months ago (2 children)

    But, if you’re a CEO, and lawyer tells you, “no, the contract is solid. Honor it,” what are you to do? Why, ask an agreeable LLM for an answer that conforms to your world view because, obviously, you’re right because you’re the CEO.

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