Teamspeak lived long enough to see an exodus from Discord, but that doesn't mean Discord is dying.

"outlive" Discord is quite the exaggeration. Let's not pretend that we're not a vocal minority here, and that Discord will keep trucking just fine.

What’s wrong with team speak? It was a good service circa 2006. And I don’t see how it is significantly less valuable to the “gaming” community. I know it isn’t as feature rich and discord has evolved a lot from its “gamer” origins. I see it used for all kinds of community’s as a catch all system. I guess that is good, but I don’t get much value from it being a centralized point of community building.

I've got a Mumble server running on a little Linux container in my home lab.

Easy to set up and configure, very stable. Nothing special, it does what it is supposed to do, be a low latency, stable voip system, and it does great.

Mumble is nice, but it hasn't changed much since the time people explicitly moved away from it to Discord, so why would they go back it it now?

Mumble was the primary choice for EVE Online groups.

You can literally have thousands of users on the same server.

In EVE, during big fleet fights (like 1000+ people on the same "team"), you can have a hierarchy of fleet commanders/wing commanders/squad leaders where voice travels down the chain of command, but not up.

Also the certificate based security with ACLs is just unmatched. You can set it up exactly how you want.

Also easy to integrate with, which is important for something like EVE.

Mumble is fantastic.
I designed and implemented a very complex voice system for an old guild. Like 100 people, 8 groups of 15, group leader's private chat, priority speech all that. It worked so well, and never failed.
This was many many years ago, to be fair.
I wish it's positional audio was more supported.

It's definitely going to be one of these two. Matrix and XMPP are just too much for casual users, and there's no one client for either of them which supports all of Discord's core features.

Out of those two, Fluxer feels like the better choice right now, but I do wish they'd take a stronger stance against LLMs. Stoat feels clunkier, buggier, and feels like it's getting left behind.

Damn it this is the first I'm hearing about Fluxer's AI development.

Did you run into the same problems I did with self-hosting? And if not, how did you avoid them?

I've had the most people switch over to element (a full 2 people plus myself)

Old fashioned forums are old fashioned. Circular logic but there's a lot holding them back.

• Create a new account for every single niche forum? No thanks. We need a federated solution.
  • Lemmy/Piefed/etc is almost there
• Antiquated restrictions (e.g. Log in to view images)
• Antiquated UI - People want emojis, reactions, rich media, etc
• PHP paid the bills once upon a time but now it's hard to get anyone excited to make big new features for forum software

What I’m upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord. What ever happened to good old fashioned forums?

Rather than paying for hosting and operational costs that goes with a forum, social media and the desire for immediacy happened as Yahoo created Groups, then Facebook followed suit with their own.

As a Giant Bomb fan, it's somewhat renewed interest in forums over there from the operators and users. Discord was always a bad forum anyway, but it was great for immediately being able to have a conversation with people to find answers to problems.

What I'm upset about is the absolute wealth of information that will be forever trapped behind Discord.

omg, you guys are almost there. you're so close, I can feel it.

so....why is the information locked behind a corporate entity?

Maybe some people will migrate things back out. I wound up moving a bunch of stuff to a self hosted wiki.

For me it's federation and encryption. Yeah obviously, if I'm in a public space then encryption means fuck all, but for messages between me and close friends I want encryption.

I don't. And I don't know if they put their videos elsewhere.

@quick_snail @ampersandrew yt-dlp works a charm for such occasions. You want the "nightly" build cause Google is actively resisting them, always, but they always win after a number of hours or days.github.com/yt-dlp/yt-dlp

Yes, but it isn't a Discord replacement, but rather a WhatsApp replacement.

https://movim.eu/ is xmpp based and might be more suitable as a Discord replacement, but to be honest it isn't quite there yet if you are looking mainly for a voice chat app.

telegram is just as bad if you care about privacy

Telegram is not encrypted at all and they use your texts/data to train Elon Musk's AI.

For XMPP, the Movim client is currently the best option as a discord alternative.

It has group voice and video calls, screensharing w/audio (need a chromium browser to share the audio for now), and just added discord-like channels with rooms (though it's not as smooth as Discord). The Dev plans to implement drop-in voice rooms at some point as well.

They've got xep-0503 on the roadmap, so it's not there yet, but is for sure something worth keeping an eye on.

Xmpp already survived Google divesting from it, so I'm more inclined to believe it has real staying power compared to all these new apps partially written by ai or with problematic security policies.

oh wow this is exactly what I was looking for but with mattermost. Gonna have to give this a try later and I'll see. What are you having trouble installing, the plug-in?