Case was seen as major test of the first amendment and whether the US could use broad anti-terrorism statute to prosecute leftwing protesters

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[–] 296 points 8 months ago (3 children)

When being against fascism gets you charged as a terrorist, you live in a fascist regime.

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  • [–] 151 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    And all those concentration camps they're building aren't just for immigrants.

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  • [–] 186 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Thats actually insane. This is a HUGE HUGE HUGE deal

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  • [–] 78 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Every other day it's something that's a HUGE HUGE HUGE fucking deal. It's done, the frog is boiled. Violent rebellion or accept fascism, choose one.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Have you joined your local lefty self defense org?

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I'm just sitting here in Canada hoping you guys get your fucking shit together and figuring out a way I can get my transgender girlfriend the fuck out of America.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    does she have any Canadian grandparents (like anywhere up her family tree, great-great-great grandparents, etc.)? I think they just made a new rule that Americans who can prove they are descended from a Canadian can apply for citizenship?

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  • [–] 124 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    They pointed to the fact that the demonstrators took steps to prevent their cell phones from being tracked.

    Prosecutors also pointed to the way that the protesters used Signal, a widely-used messaging application, as evidence of their coordination and conspiracy. The protesters used pseudonyms on the app and had messages autodelete, an increasingly common practice among protesters and journalists who are concerned about government surveillance. They also emphasized the defendants were wearing all black during the protest, sometimes describing it as “tactical” gear.

    That just describes my normal non-protest day. The fuck is this?

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  • [–] 117 points 8 months ago

    I belive the term here is "kangaroo court"

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    [–] 117 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Sanchez-Estrada was the only defendant not at the protest, and was only charged with corruptly concealing a document or record, after prosecutors say he moved leftwing zines following the arrest of his wife, Maricela Rueda, on the Fourth of July. Song also escaped after the incident and there was an 11-day manhunt for him.

    WTF THEYRE COMING FOR OUR ZINES!!!???

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    First amendment is long dead bro

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What does ihra mean in this context. I looked it up and can't figure it out.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Ah, sorry about that. The International Holocaust Remembrance Alliance (IHRA). They created a definition of antisemitism that conflate criticism of pissrael with antisemetism and they are working hard as hell to get it installed across all the governments. Some states have used their definition iirc. But, to me, it was the final nail in the coffin that is the first ammendment, at the behest of Zionazis

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  • [–] 67 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I'm confused. Is a left wing magazine one that promotes the ideals of freedom like fighting against government overreach against your people? Is a left wing magazine one that advocates for defending your friends and family against masked thugs using any means necessary?

    Because apparently I know a lot of Republicans on the Antifa payroll.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    TIL as I've long suspected: The Declaration of Independence and Constitution are left-wing zines circulated by anti-authoritarian extremists. Fascinating.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    I believe this was a part of their ‘throw spaghetti at the wall and see which sticks’ strategy, because while I read about these charges it became obvious that they applied pretty much any charge available that could halfway fit into a conviction.

    They did all they could to make an example out of these people, and as many have said this is something that we all really need to start paying attention to. This is a big step and a big deal.

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  • [–] 47 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    A police officer arrived on the scene shortly after and drew his weapon at one of the people allegedly doing vandalism. One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit him in the shoulder. The officer would survive.

    Even this conviction is bullshit. The cop drew first. Song shot in defense of others.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    The standards of ROE they hold fucking police officers to is absolutely fucked. They draw their weapons at the drop of a hat and fucking POINT a weapon at unarmed people all the fucking time. The second weapon safety rule is to NEVER point your weapon at anything you do not intend to shoot. IN A FUCKING WAR ZONE, a mfer could be cursing at you with a goddamn AK pointed at you and ROE say you still aren't justified to engage. If a cop points a weapon directly at someone, that establishes intent by basic-ass weapons safety rules that these jackasses are supposed to be trained in. Charge all cops with attempted murder that point weapons at unarmed people. And I mean that unironically, pass a law and everything. They can't keep getting away with escalating all these situations so fucking often that people feel the need to arm themselves and put on body armor just in case they run across a cop. And if these baby-bitch cops can't be trusted with firearms, how about we take their fucking guns and arm minorities instead. At least minorities in America actually have a reason to fear for their lives enough to arm themselves.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago*

    How is any jury finding them guilty, deck has to be stacked because the ratio of ice supporters to nonsupporters even in Texas isn't enough to get an average jury to vote guilty. This is coming from a guy in Oklahoma. All they need is 1 juror to hold the line.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago

    Well we'll see how soon appeals can start. This is going to be a big case either way.

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  • [–] 45 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    All the charges against all of these folks seem to stem from this one act by one person:

    One of the protesters was standing in the woods with an AR-15 and hit [a police officer] in the shoulder. The officer would survive.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Sounds like they all arrived together. Why would one person of their group hide in the bushes with an AR-15. And shoot at a cop. In a country where accomplice liability is known to be fucked up, that's just not very bright.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago

    another rule of fascism, always accuse your opposition as terrorist, so that your Peblian support remains strong.

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  • [–] 42 points 8 months ago

    This is a big big fucking deal and big hit to freedom here.

    I can hardly believe this outcome.

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  • [–] 35 points 8 months ago

    Mark Pittman, a US district judge nominated to the federal bench by Donald Trump in 2019, appeared to gesture at the irrelevance of antifa in the closing moments of the trial, asking prosecutors why he should mention it in his instructions to the jury, underlining the gap between the emphasis on antifa and the technicality of the criminal charges they faced. “Whether it’s antifa or the Methodist Women’s Auxiliary of Weatherford, why does it matter?” Pittman said.

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  • [–] 64 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Any candidate for the 2028 Democratic presidential primary better be getting asked about pardoning all these people

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  • [–] 64 points 8 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    There shouldn't be a law against terrorism. Real terrorism already involves serious crimes (murder etc.). There should not be a law defining "being a terrorist" as illegal.

    "found guilty of support for terrorism" is bullshit.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    Meanwhile pro-ICE protester/influencer Jake Lang got caught trying to pick up what he thought was a 15 year old girl.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Guilty till they can prove themselves innocent...FROM JAIL

    What has this country come to???

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  • [–] 66 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    If they are going to process you as terrorist anyway, then you might as well make moves that are worthy of the label. After all the only real difference between a freedom fighter and terrorist is the narrative.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Jein. There's also the problem that antifa believers generally have universal morals, such as killing is bad.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    We killed a whole bunch of Nazis about 80 years back and that worked out pretty well

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Well akshually - as a German who paid attention in history class:

    1. killing Nazis was an act of necessary self-defense to accomplish anything. A precondition, if you will
    2. what worked out pretty well was the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Plan and especially the https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Denazification - I will be forever grateful to the Allied Forces for getting this right. It made Germany the least fascist nation in Europe for well over 60 years.

    The long lasting effects were not permanent, unfortunately. I might like to ask for another allied victory over Nazi Germany soonish, with a new Denazification. Except there are no "Allied Forces" left that stand against Nazism :( And I am not trying to be dramatic, this is actually fucking with me for the past 10 years or so.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Well actually, we were kind of hoping that you guys might gang up and save us from our lunatic this time

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    The problem is your country got nukes and the largest conventional military in the world - we couldn't help you out even if we wanted to. :(

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    There might be an opportunity after we blow through the missiles and drones over the next few years if a debt crisis wrecks our economy.

    Not holding my breath, but the future is uncertain.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Give us a couple of weeks, we're blowing through all that stuff right now

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I am so devastated for the İranian people :'-( On the one side butchered by their regime, and on the other they are getting bombed by a pedo-criminal bunch of rapists and murderers trying to distract from their corruption.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    People over here keep asking what's the goal in Iran, what's the strategy, what's his plan; either ignoring or not realizing that the war in Iran has nothing to do with Iran as far as he's concerned. It's all about Epstein, and I'm ashamed of my fellow Americans who won't accept that.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The first Texan to roll Paxton into the Gulf of Mexico wins.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    First skin ‘im. Then drag through the salty sand out into that salty gulf.

    Of course I don’t approve of violence. But if you’re going to do something, do it right.

    Edit: all things just harmless shit talking of course.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Song faces a minimum of 20 years and a maximum of life in prison, according to the US attorney for the northern district of Texas. Arnold, Evetts, Morris, Rueda, Batten, Elizabeth Soto and Ines Soto each face between 10 and 60 years in prison. Sanchez Estrada faces up to 40 years.

    Just out of curiosity, has the DOJ ever gotten around to charging anybody in the Epstein files other than Maxwell? Bc there's like millions of files.

    Like even just one single pedophile? Just to make the streets a little safer? Surely if they can make all this complete bullshit stick they can make something from those files stick, right?

    I'm sure they're more than motivated and will be getting around to it soon. It's only been 14 months and they probably just got a little distracted.

    They had to take care of the much more dangerous members of a made up organization. Now that that's all cleared up and out of the way, I'm sure the hammer of justice will be swift for all those names that show up over and over again in those files....

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  • [–] [S] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nope.

    A few have faced professional consequences, but that's it

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago

    Only seems that way because the real terrorists are running the system

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago

    Voting Republican supports terrorism and that’s okay so can we drop the dramatics and call the charges out for what they really are? They inconvenienced rich people.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    The prosecutor said, "They're here because they ambushed a cop." WTF?!?! Well then, on Jan 6th a mob of fucking MAGA terrorists ambushed a lot of police officers.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Arm yourselves and organize now.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    When your own government has it's boot on your throat, fighting back is not terrorism. Sheesh! That should be obvious.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago

    State sponsored domestic terrorism

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    Whatever side you're on, this is worrisome. Today it's Antifa, tomorrow it's the Tea Party etc.

    Weapons can be repurposed as new parties take power endlessly until finally some sane group of souls has the decency to legislate away malicious prosecutions based on politics.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    US has been doing the exact same shit to leftists ever since the founding of USSR, this is not new. Sadly the tea party people have nothing to worry about.

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