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[–] 69 points 8 months ago (5 children)

thx for the diabeetus

you know you don't have to turn it into corn syrup right? that crap isn't used widely anywhere but in the US

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Corn syrup is better than our other main use for it: Ethanol

    Problem is that we have such extreme subsidies that vast swaths of farmers are now entirely reliant on corn subsidies. We make far more corn than we have any use for because of it

    No politician wants to be the one to take away the insane corn subsidies because a whole lot of farmers will be upset, and the American public is generally unaware of how wasteful the subsidies are

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    The crazy thing is, every time I have tried a yank drink with corn syrup that my country has the equivalent to without corn syrup, the yank one tastes like ass without fail, and leaves your mouth feeling weird.

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  • [–] 94 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I don't think it was the Mexican farmers that gave us diabeetus. I'd blame it on the sugar cartels in the US.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You can blame the sugar cartels all you want, The truth is if you’re an American, you finance this shit through your taxes. Corporations suck, but what sucks more is that people don’t realize they help pay for their own slow demise in the name of profit.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Oh for sure, the broader argument to me would be about sugar subsidies. I don't support subsidizing the sugar/corn/meat industries. If I had a magic wand I'd much rather those taxes subsidize more nutrient dense foods.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    that's a bingo! rest of the world doesn't use corn syrup

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    High-fructose maize isn't an Indegenous invention: that's a White invention.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The maize isn't high-fructose; corn syrup is entirely an industrial product, made by chemically digesting corn starch. If the yield numbers worked out differently, we could all be eating high fructose wheat syrup or potato syrup, but maize happened to fit into our extractive systems the best, a sad fate for a beautiful grain.

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (16 children)

    Mexico didn’t exist back then. Europeans hadn’t conquered and genocided and created states in the Americas.

    This was native (indigenous) americans.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    What did the natives call the region in their language?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago* (9 children)

    Well before Mexico, it was the Aztecs and they called their land Aztlán, Mexico is probably some bastardized name from Nahuatl

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago* (6 children)

    there was never a Aztec people that was the name someone made up. The Mexica people are the ones you are talking about. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aztecs

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Someone has made up every name for every thing

    You put "Mexica" in English... someone made that up, too. chaos everywhere what will we do

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    No, the people literally called themselves Mexica, they chose to call them Aztecs because they thought it would confuse the people.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (3 children)

    No, they didn't call themselves "Mexica".

    They didn't use the letters "M", "e", "x", "i", "c", or even "a".

    Regardless, the term "Mexica" and all of those English letters were made up by someone. Not a single one of those words or letters existed independent of whomever made them up.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    if you would have read the artical that I liked you could indeed see they called themselves Mexica (even if I must use these letters to represent the sounds). They never used the work Aztecs, its just a dumbing down for people, which seems it was needed, but still whitewashing.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    I don't need to read the article you linked, because SOMEONE made up the term "Mexica", just like someone made up the term "Aztec" (and every other word ever).

    The term is not eternal, not deemed by God (or Quetzalcoatl)...

    Also there were a variety of peoples, to say "they called themselves Mexica" as if they were one people is actually dumbing it down, friend. They didn't even all speak the same language.

    Dumbing down for people, indeed. It's all over your head, and I'm sorry

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    How dare I ask you to do some small bit of research about topics that you post on, I mean why discuss them in hernest when you could just be like, nah, they dont get a voice in their own history.

    The ones you were speaking of, did speak a language (again in the article) and did trake over the region you are speaking about, but I am sure you are just used to running ramshot over others, your ancestors have been doing it for so long its one of the only hallmarks of culture you can pull from.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Aztlán was the place they said they came from (probably in today's U.S. territory). The "Aztecs" called themselves "Mexica". That's also their name in Spanish, and I have a faded memory that it is not the name in English only because an anthropologist had trouble pronouncing it or something. Whatever.

    Mexicas (meh - SHE - kahs) founded Tenochtitlan. After its fall, you are right, Mexico was named 'Mexico' from Nahuatl but people pronounced and pronounce it 'MEH - hee - koh' because of the Spanish language influence (think, as in Quixote, 'kee - HO - teh').

    There were Mexican intellectuals pushing for a 'meh - SHEE - koh' pronunciation in the 20th century, but they failed miserably.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago* (2 children)
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    indigeneity and nationality are two different concepts that have nothing to do with each other.

    this can range from indigenous Oaxacans who are US citizens to Mexican citizens who are settlers who murder indigenous people in Mexico to steal their land.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Mexico is a settler colonial state created by Spanish genociders.

    The Mexican ruling class is still largely of european descent. It’s well established that lighter skin correlates with status in Mexico.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    But those native people are still alive and the majority identify as Mexicans (additional to their community's identity). They're often bicultural, bilingual, etc.

    Are you really going to walk to Xochimilco, where there are still chinampas, and tell the people they should not take credit for them as a society, for example? As crazy as to walk to an ethnic German in Köln and telling him/her that the Köln cathedral and the... Cologne, sorry, whatever, and the food and the stuff is not really their heritage because "you weren't Germany until...". WTH? Then all Germans did during the Weimar Republic wasn't them. All they did as Empires wasn't them. I hope it's not an awful analogy.

    Like, you're technically correct, but pragmatically it doesn't make much sense to me in this case.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    The change from teosinte to maize involved a surprisingly small change to it's genetic code. Something like 5 genes.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    So there is hope for people with small dick size? 

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Learn to eat pussy/suck dick or find a partner with an unusually small vagina/bussy.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (32 children)

    and turkey, they domesticated the turkey we eat...

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  • [–] 53 points 8 months ago (30 children)

    and china, they domesticated chinese food

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (28 children)

    Chinese food as we know, everywhere except China, is a purely American invention. It's history is really interesting, especially how the restaurant owners of the 80s convinced everyone MSG was poison.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago

    It even started in the late 60's early 70's, originally referred to at "Chinese restaurant syndrome." Rooted in anti Asian racism, supposedly we were slowly being poisoned... by tasty tasty Asian food with added msg.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (21 children)

    So... it's not poison? Propaganda is a bitch

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (19 children)

    It's psychosomatic. MSG is also in tomatoes, mushrooms, and tons of savory salted snacks such as Doritos. None of those tend to trigger the symptoms people claim to have after eating Chinese food.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    What do people claim about MSG?

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  • [+] 19 points 8 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Another personal anecdote from a non-American: My parents never buy MSG. When I did, they freaked out a little then I have to explain it's not bad other than another source of sodium we need to watch. I need to point out that all of our staple liquid seasonings are filled with added MSG: soy sauce, vinegar, patis.

    Despite being Asian, this happened because my shitass country often rely on shitass recommendations from the US health department. Another example is the ban on magic sugar, which is also propaganda by US sugar manufacurers.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    So, in short, they're heavily allergic to their own thought processing.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Some people do seem to confuse cognitive dissonance with being sick, and not that their fucking pathetic understanding of the world has just been challenged.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Well, let's be fair. That is just a different kind of Sickness. Kind of a difficult sense that I distinctly remember bashing my head to a couple decades ago, being so Disturbed.

    Gotta go hear that, again, NOW.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    What is MSG made from? Could it be that they're allergic to the base and that there is a threshold? I hope to fuck you aren't a scientist and you are an amazingly shitty person.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    "Ranch" flavor comes basically 100% from salt and MSG. There is a microscopic amount of herbs that make next to no difference. Ask anyone who thinks MSG is bad for you if they have cut out Ranch dressing for some hilarity. (May not apply to non-Americans).

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Ranch is basically garlic and onion flavor.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ranch has more salt than anything and more MSG than garlic, look at the ingredients on a pouch. Ingredients are listed by order of volume. It has more corn starch than onion. It has basically traces of anything else. I know this because I spent not a small amount of time replicating Ranch dressing.

    Although there are a hundred MSG-conspiracy-nut websites that will tell you you don't need MSG to make Ranch dressing, there is no Ranch dressing recipe that tastes anything at all like Ranch without MSG. Full stop.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    MSG is wonderful, no doubt, but the original recipe got a huge chunk of it's flavor from sour cream which was the main ingredient. Nowadays it's a mix of mayo and buttermilk instead of sour cream and doesn't taste the same.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    I have a feeling there's a huge overlap between the people who complain about Chinese food and the people who raved about the Mississippi pot roast viral recipe (which has two packets of MSG-loaded seasonings in it).

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    What isn't psychosomatic when the target is the average fucking moron?

    ... I mean, besides all the things that turn out to be real... but morons will believe anything up to and including their mumbling jibberish is a connection to God with glossolalia...

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    That's no longer accurate, as there are plenty of authentic Chinese restaurants in areas with Chinese communities that aren't just trying to get western locals to visit. The dim sum place I've been to didn't even have much English on their menu and it really helped to have some colleagues present who knew Chinese (both the language and the food).

    Easily one of the best meals I've ever had, and I'm not usually a fan of the western chinese style.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    dim sum is called dim sum though, you wouldn't expect to get dim sum except at brunch/lunch time and if someone says they are going to get Chinese food it'd be a surprise to get dim sum. Even traditional Chinese restaurants that cater to Chinese people serve Americanized Chinese food. In the Seattle Chinatown there's restaurants that have Chinese only menus that don't have any of the same stuff as the English menu. I've been to them with Chinese speakers and it's a totally different experience then going there with just my wife.

    my original point is that "Chinese food" to most of the western world is the stuff that American Chinese immigrants invented. Real Chinese food isn't called Chinese food because China is massive and they have so many food cultures that those cultures are what that style of food is called

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    thx for the diabeetus

    fun fact, that is a eugenicist health scare campaign started by settlers to demonize indigenous peoples whose traditional diets are rich in corn.

    famine and genocide are known causes of chronic illness. surviving colonialism is inherently disabling and heightened diabetes rates are a side-effect of that. it makes no scientific sense to me to completely ignore the social determinants of health and blame the diets of entire ethnic groups for their chronic illness rates.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (1 child)
  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ask your local chatbot today about the teosinte emoji

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    They werent mexicans they were mayans, spanish came over and banged em' turned em into mexicans.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    "It's the Coca-Cola, stupid".

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    you re-welcome

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I tell you, there is nothing more Lemmy than people taking jokes/memes super seriously in the comments.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ain't nobody made you fat from that but you. If you were living like the natives were back then, you might be keeping fitter with it

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It feels kinda strange to call them Mexican farmers. Like referring to the people who lived where the US is 9000 years ago "American Farmers".

    Like I guess that's technically correct in a way. But it still feels weird.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Slowly. It happened slowly over multiple generations.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Yes! Actually, Mexican farmers are still fighting to preserve their numerous (really numerous, really rich) variety of corn because capitalists and allies are pushing for monopolies (hence, the same seeds), for profitable crops (hence, the best seeds for that purpose), and rare seeds are in danger. It took centuries to get there...

    Mexican ecological fights are bloody.

    Personal rant. And I do not understand in which state of mind you need to be to kill someone protecting special corn seeds or butterflies. For what? More money that is not needed because there's enough already in the world? Go take it from the guys who retain it! Leave Nature, and their animals, and the people alone, FFS.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    While some foods are associated with a higher risk of type 2 diabetes, no single ingredients in and of themselves cause diabetes - obesity does. That's why every fad diet can make a semi-credible claim to have "cured" people's diabetes. If you lose enough weight, it might go into remission.

    And to be clear, none of what I just said is meant to imply a moral, individual failure on the part of anyone who is living/struggling with obesity and diabetes. It's a complex thing, and like all complex things we can go ahead and blame corporations for it. 👍

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