As someone who builds a computer, installs whatever seems like the most stable LTS distro at the time with the longest support period, and only switches to a new one when the current LTS expires, Iβd like to thank all of you for being my beta testers. Your support means the world.
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I use Arch BTW full-time for work and personal for about 3 years now and haven't had any issues at all.
I worked with someone who uses arch on his work laptop
One day it just died and he had to spend a day or two setting it all up again
I mean, its not common, but it happens
Yeah, I ran arch through college, it broke 3 times over 4 years, basically each time because Nvidia updated. Now that I don't have the time to fuss with spending a couple of hours chrooting in and fixing Nvidia stuff, I just swapped to endeavorOS sway community edition (and made sure none of my PCs have Nvidia anything in them) and haven't had an issue yet.
Yep, the only time things have broken in Arch for me has been with Nvidia driver updates.
Yep. Funnily enough, never really had any issues with the drivers on a desktop, only on mobile, mostly switching between integrated and discrete. But after messing with them on my laptop for a few years, you better bet my laptop was only running Intel integrated and my desktop runs on amd.
That doesn't happen. When it breaks, it's always recoverable, and it very very very rarely breaks (>10 years Arch user here, never lost sleep about it)
I used to do much distro hopping coming from gentoo and settling down with endeavour. My tip for all of you: use lvm for everything outside boot, root and swap (vms, home, games). That way a complete reinstall just takes minutes.
I'd guess that keeping configs in Ansible would reduce that setup time to an hour or two.
I've been dailying the exact same arch installation since 2014 without reinstalling it a single time.
Now to be fair I did have it non-bootable at several points. Worst of which was a PAM update which broke it completely because the new config was in a .pacnew file and the old one was not compatible anymore. But since it was a edge-case there was no forum post about it. Still recovered it just fine after an hour or so of troubleshooting.
It's all open-source and usually decently documented. The only reason anyone should have to reinstall a Linux desktop is lack of experience, but I would always advise to persevere because troubleshooting my system is how I gained much of my expertise. If that's not what you want, stick to Debian.
been using Artix and Arch for two years, for work and play, no issues
I think bleeding edge linux is probably more stable than windows
Around 10 years here. Some issues, but much less time wasted in total than if I had done βdist-upgradeβs the whole time.
One huge advantage of a rolling distro is that generally only one thing can break at a time :)
whats dist-upgrade? this is the first time ive heard of it
It's what Debian and similar distributions use to switch from one stable release to the next. This happens every half year for Ubuntu and every blue moon for Debian, which makes it a significantly more error-prone process than updating Arch every week in my experience.
The only issue I ever had was Arch ARM changing the naming convention for network devices and making me have to plug the first Raspberry Pi that I upgraded into a monitor to debug what was going on.
This was annoying for sure, but less annoying than using a 6 year old Python version like the Red Hat Enterprise Linux at work...
Yeah, people like to think that bleeding edge means "untested". As if your OS was directly receiving the dev's git push...
I wonder if there's a package manager that does just that, I want the real bleeding edge!
I like Fedora for my desktop. Close enough to upstream to get the latest features, but not so bleeding edge that it's unstable.
And it's Linus's distro of choice.
Yeah, but he has stated that he really doesn't have an opinion. He just happened to install Fedora on the family PC a long time ago and now he neither wants to deal with two separate distros, nor switch the whole household over.
Yeah same. Its a little annoying having to wait for certain updates, like when a new application can be built from source on arch, but i'd have to rebuild a core dependency from a scratch to get it working on fedora.
But ive been using it for years, and even if i broke the system, ive always got it working again, which is saying something.
I'm wondering where people like you and me, using non-LTS but not rolling distros, go in the OP pic.
I'm on Nobara, and if the installation ever dies, i will probably install pure fedora. My previous experiences were all with debian, which drove me crazy as a gamer because when playing current games you want your system to be a lot closer to the bleeding edge of the knife - debian is more like a chain glove for holding it.
It's balanced as all things should be.
I've really started to enjoy Kinonite. Fedora's atomic version of KDE Plasma.
I'm kinda coming around to using Fedora. I use Arch, btw, but Fedora is pretty close to how I configure my Arch system anyway. Plus, Fedora has a little extra polish with the splash screens that I don't bother with in my Arch setup.
Maaaaybe...
Obligatory reference to NixOS.
Step 1: ah so glad this setup is complete and fully tweaked. So letβs leave it as is.
Step 2: but then again maybe I should try out this little extra thing I just found online that might not workβ¦
It turns out you love installing and configuring software, not actually using it.
Step 1: ah so glad this setup is complete and fully tweaked. So letβs leave it as is.
Step 2: but then again maybe I should try out this little extra thing I just found online that might not workβ¦
Step 2: Why is x broken after an update!?
..
Step 99: ah so glad this setup is complete and fully tweaked. So letβs leave it as is.
Is it just me? I've had more issues with Linux updates than Windows updates at this point. Don't get me started with major distro updates.
To me it kinda depends on what hardware/distro.
Currently running MX on multiple systems for more than a year now and itβs been pretty smooth sailing.
I do remember, however, using fedora and whatnot ages ago having exactly what you describe.
If you want something more stable you might wanna look at debian, opensuse,β¦ (Iβm sure someone more knowledgeable will complete this list). They might not be as flashy but you can depend on those and get some work done.
I'm running LTS versions of Ubuntu server (and Windows 11 on my PC). Debian would be more stable, but then it's so far behind that it's a pain to use at times, especially for running any kind of game server. Ubuntu has been pretty good so far, but LTS to LTS isn't always easy.
This but new Linux users. They get attracted to the worse newbies distros every time
Used to be me. I ran Debian Unstable for years. Got tired of it breaking. I installed Stable probably 7 or 8 years ago and never looked back.
If you ever feel the need, OpenSuSE Tumbleweed is shockingly stable on my old rig.
I have this, but in Windows 11. Iβm stuck.
TFW Windows drops everything you're doing to automatically install unstable updates
Best feeling ever.
Same here. I want to ditch Windows 11 so badly, but I tried Linux Mint and I lost half my frame rate in games. I guess if you use a Nvidia GPU on Linux then you're shit outta luck sadly, as I heard the reason is poor driver support. If I did something wrong I'll gladly try Linux again but I don't have high hopes it will work now :(
Did you install the actual nvidia drivers or were you just using the default nouveau driver?
nvidia drivers are good performance-wise, you should have installed the proprietary ones because mint comes with nouveau, which does not perform well at all. if you did that, let's talk about L3 cache. ironically gaming on low end hardware is worse on linux because apparently proton needs quite a bit of that cache. my previous cpu (9600kf) had 9 MB and it was hopeless, current one has almost 100 and performance is not an issue anymore.
btw pop os comes with proprietary nvidia drivers so you don't need to think about it all, but because they ship it with their half-done cosmic de, can't recommend it to newcomers anymore..
100%, biggest performance upgrade I ever experienced for Linux gaming was upgrading to a X3D CPU.
My CPU (Ryzen 9 3900XT) is a 12 core CPU paired with an RTX 5080. My CPU sucks for gaming and is meant more for workstations, so you might be onto something here...
your cpu is good, seems like you were on the right tracks originally. people have been complaining about 5080 performance with dx12 games on linux. it may take them a while to get the drivers right, but i did recently see some news (techlinked probably) about nvidia adding resources to optimizing their linux drivers
Opensuse Tumbleweed is my way to go and I am pretty happy. Also do have an NVIDIA Card..
Iβm just waiting for win 11 to fail catastrophically in me. That will definitely give me the time to install Linuxβ¦ checks notesβ¦ Debian?
Tumbleweed and Nvidia Proprietary drivers worked really well for my games. There is Bazzite that's ready to go for gaming too.
What games specifically? Some distros require a bit more driver installation, so maybe that was part of it (was running an rtx 2070 super on linux until a few months ago on linux, didn't have any issues with frame rates). The poor driver support is mostly on laptops, as they sometimes have issues switching between integrated and discrete graphics.
On my system I am using kde x11 instead of wayland for the same reason. Last time I tried wayland I was getting half of the framerate compared to x11.
At some point I want to switch to a gaming-oriented distros and see if it's magically better there.
Windows 11 will never touch my home machines, but I still need to use Windows for a couple things. Iβm so happy thereβs Windows 10 LTSC ioT.
I have many other things I'd rather do on my computer, than mess around with the OS. I just want one that works and stays out of my way. Oh, and doesn't spy on me.
Well, if you're okay using 3+ years old versions of various software...
yo you can just turn a choice into a meme and the crowd will go crazy

If you want up-to-date rolling release packages without living dangerously, I recommend openSUSE Tumbleweed. It breaks way less than most other rolling distros such as Arch. I don't know how they achieve it but they do.
Automated testing.
other distros don't?
I've been very happy with Endeavour / Arch on my desktop for the past year until last week. Issues when waking up the desktop, Plasma panels disappearing, resolution forced to the minimum, etc. I rolled back the kernel to the LTS version and it fixed a few things. I can't complain because it's not my main computer but it's not ideal.
I've been using Arch (btw) for a few months now and have been really enjoying it. I am scared that something is going to break though. I have Timeshift and BorgBase backups but I would rather not deal with that tbh. I haven't tried Debian yet but I think I might make it my next distro. However, it's going to be really hard to give up the AUR and Arch wiki.
"I'm on the bleeding edge of Linux! I get the most advanced features the distro allows! Yeah, it may periodically brick my home system from time to time, but its worth it when I can get..."
reorganizing the symlink layout of the NVIDIA firmware
"... which I literally cannot live without".
LTS is all fun and games and stability until someone releases an update with features that I really really want right now. This is why I keep coming back to KDE neon.
Iβm really curious as to what those features would be?
Most recently I switched from Debian because the version of plasma I was running had a bunch of little issues running wayland on my Nvidia card (bought when i was running windows, will be going amd... Someday). The new version of plasma had a bunch of Nvidia specific fixes that wouldn't make it down to my system for months.
Tbh, I also kinda like the little issues that i occasionally have with rolling release distros. I learn a lot from having to fix things and it keeps me sharp.


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