Not really looked down on, but every time I mention that I have an indoor greenhouse everyone assumes I'm growing pot.
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Drawing fetishist NSFW art. A friend of mine was (and probably still is, I just haven't had any contact with them for ages) pretty good at drawing. If you're into hentai and/or furry stuff, there's a non-zero chance you've seen his work. He also did some more "exotic" drawings on commission.
He (allegedly) wasn't particularly into it himself, but he was good at it, he had a creative outlet, and it gave him a couple of extra bucks per month.
Apparently there are quite a few art majors who turn their "useless" art degree into a living by making hentai, especially furry stuff.
I'd go one further and say kink itself!
Sure it's not for everyone... But people act like it's some crazy abomination, when most of the time it's just some variation of sex + roleplay.
I'm reasonably vanilla myself, but I know that if I liked something "weird", people judging me for it wouldn't help anyone, least of all myself.
I've known a few furries over the years, and while I don't understand it, being in the periphery of the community numbed me enough to "weirder" stuff. They're not hurting anyone (well, other than their wallets. Do you have any idea how much a pursuit costs? Jfc...), so I don't see why they're not any less deserving of acceptance than people who prefer ass over tits, etc.
In my experience with kink communities, shame can really do a number on people's psychology. It feels like there are always two camps of people: the ones who simply learn to say "fuck it" and embrace their weird side, and those who really become very depressed and self-isolating because they're made to feel like an aberration. That level of internal conflict, where you spend your entire life fighting against your own (otherwise legally and ethically non-problematic) desires due to internalized shame is a dark and dangerous path.
And like... I get it. To an outsider, any kink that you don't have can definitely seem weird, gross, undesirable, etc. But then again, even vanilla sex acts can seem gross when you imagine other people doing them. Still, I think a lot of people in the kink space end up struggling with negative feelings about themselves.
Plus, there are a certain group of very puritanical and judgemental people who desperately want to describe (without any psychiatric qualifications) any behavior they don't understand as being "mental illness", but ironically, I think the most mentally healthy thing any kinky person can do is simply to accept and embrace their kink.
My message to any kinky people out there is to do whatever you can to accept yourself. Unless your kink involves something that is seriously dangerous to yourself and others, or otherwise legally or ethically dubious, then odds are that the best thing that you can do is just come to terms with being, as Rick James said, a "superfreak".
You know how sometimes if you put a superhero mask on and you feel goofier and/or more confident?
Now imagine you're an awkward shy person and/or neurodivergent and you spent a lot of growing up being an absolute gremlin or pomp inside your mind but having to forcibly behave like everybody else or be ridiculed. Behaving, paying active close attention to others and their reactions and movements, and acting appropriately... This is called masking.
Notice the similarities?
Now, apply cartoon personified animal characteristics to yourself while literally wearing a suit/whole outfit. What characteristics, you ask? The ones that you enjoy, feel the best, and you feel fit you the best.
That's oversimplified furries. They're party superheroes and it helps them be their chosen selves.
(I am not a furry. This is my impression and current level of understanding from an entirely outside perspective. If I'm wrong, please feel more than free to correct me, I'd love to know.)
Probably one of the minor things I privately disdain as a norm on Lemmy and previously Reddit is folk who are deeply into erotic Anime/furry and similar fringe sexual interests.
Of course, sexuality for many is a rich smorgasbord, and I get how nobody wants to 'kink-shame', but that stuff... yeah, not my bag at all.
Pretty much anything that’s considered “childish”. Apart from video games, Lego comes to mind.
Lego comes to mind.
Yes. I've found that an open positive comment about Lego can create a sudden mini community of adults who don't get to talk about their Lego habit often enough.
Anecdotally, the raw data I have encountered seems to indicate that absolutely everyone who can afford any level of Lego habit, has a Lego habit.
I've met maybe two people who are too busy with their hardcore 10000 piece jigsaw puzzle habit to get into Lego.
I'm an adult who could afford it, but I don't. Out of fear of being judged. :(
Wargaming or anything that brings people to a hobby shop. Trains, RC vehicles, and kites are most acceptable and understandable to people on the outside but still looked down on.
I look at model trains as an addiction I might not come back from.
I always feel that I am just waiting one more day before I give up my basement, free time and money to it. (Only respect to people who use the same technique to hold off serious addictions. It just also happens to work for model trains...so far.)
Model trains are a hobby that I love for other people to get into. I want to see your trains and tracks and little villages you're proud of. I just need my basement for all my other activities!
Model trains are a hobby that I love for other people to get into.
Yes! I want to keep my basement for other uses, but I love to hang out with someone who went all in on the hobby!
It's kind of like having a friend who owns a boat. All the fun, without the work.
I tried going to a hobby shop a while ago to get some servos and batteries for my RC planes ... but they had nothing I needed. Much easier to just order it online.
Yeah, I feel for the hobby shops because there's only so much inventory a shop can hold onto and display and sell. How long do you think they gotta display servos before somebody comes looking for them? Compare that to the big Internet stores and I don't know how they can compete.
Trains in particular probably are at about the level of nerd stigma as Warhammer.
Masturbating in private.
I know it isn't what you meant, but my head keeps putting the emphasis on the "in private" part, like everyone is fine with it in public, but those weird-o's doing it in private are disgusting.
weird-o's
Why is there an hyphen here? o.O
Rollerblading as an adult if you're not femme-presenting
Hmm. I wonder if it's like dancing or figureskating as a man, where people look down on it, but it brings massive romantic opportunity.
Rollerblading was so cool when I was younger and then that one joke came out and it died immediately. It didn't take long for rollerblades to be permanently referred to as "Fruit Boots'. This was also back when casual homophobia was the de fecato standard amongst tweens.
Napping. Not everyone understands the fun that can be had.
Model train building can be considered a bit weird, but it's one of the most wholesome and welcoming communities you can find.
Sometimes I visit the subreddit for it and am reminded of what that site used to be. Genuine engagement, people just happy to show things off and providing really in depth feedback or tips when asked.
poll dancing
People get together and dance when they vote? Weird - no shade or anything but haven’t heard of that before.
I remember video games having a helluva stigma when I was a kid in school. People mocked me for playing Pokemon. If you were to look at them now, they probably play it religiously.
That aside, I feel like tabletop miniatures get similar dislike. Some people are like "That's cool" but the common layman just think it's playing with expensive toys.
When was that? Like, the mainframe era? Pong was a commercial product.
It seems more like people intrinsically like it once they try it, and anything that becomes popular will become less stigmatised.
Gotta go back farther than the 80s to find a time when business school people weren't in charge. A LOT farther.
Like fully a third of the population is into it, but the stigma is so strong that the IRL community is tiny and weird.
Hard disagree on the IRL community being tiny and weird. Probably the most welcoming environment I've ever seen, where consent is the de facto standard.
Were talking BDSM, not swingers. 😭
Video games are a bigger industry than Hollywood now, are they really looked down upon still?
Now that there are parents that grew up as gamers, it's settled down some, but many still consider watching TV or movies for a few hours more respectable than playing games for a few hours.
I would tend to think that the escapist and addictive qualities of some games contribute to negative perceptions. There really are gamers that take it too far, for the worse.
But on the whole, I believe studies show that gaming in moderation has a host of healthy benefits.
Yes.
The difference is between "things that are acceptable to do" vs "things that are acceptable hobbies."
It's like saying "I watch trashy tv as a hobby" - it implies that it takes up a considerable amount of your time, you put a non-negligible amount of effort or money into it, you might be trying to improve at it, or you consider this a significant part of your identity. It isn't just "how you unwind" or "a guilty pleasure" - it is a significant part of your life.
What is the difference between acceptable and unacceptable hobbies? Acceptable hobbies improve the individual engaged in them and the world around them, while unacceptable hobbies degrade the individual and the world around them (as measured by the amorphous cultural consensus of the time). Hence:
Acceptible hobbies:
- Woodworking
- Cooking
- Soccer
- Dancing
- Painting
- Gardening
- Reading
- Playing the guitar
These hobbies have the effect of making the individual more active, more social, more creative, and more learned, while also often providing things to others.
Unacceptable hobbies:
- Watching TV
- Playing video games
- Drinking
- Smoking
- Gambling
These hobbies have, at best, a neutral effect on the individual or society.
Of course, many here will be offended, and will say "hey, I use gaming as my main form of social interaction with friends who live on the other side of the country - you're making invalid assumptions here!" Well, sure - but this isn't about my personal opinion of gaming. It is about society as a whole's general perception of it. Argue with me all you want - it doesn't change the perception of all of society.
Similarly, many will rightly point out "Hey, that middle aged mom spends hours every day on Candy Crush! I shouldn't be judged any worse than her!" Sure - but again, she doesn't consider Candy Crush to be a hobby. It is just something to kill dead time in her day. She might be an addict - but she isn't admitting it, even to herself.
I am into most of those "acceptable hobbies" but would throw reading and gaming into the same bucket. I read, the kids game and both engage your mind. Husband watches TV to unwind and that seems much less mentally engaging to me.
@Korhaka@sopuli.xyz homebrewing to me falls squarely into Cooking category. I also put cocktail making, and any fermentation in cooking. So "drinking" as a hobby isn't necessarily passive, can be creative like cooking. Putting Drinking in unacceptable hobbies, they might as well include Eating. The consuming of it isn't creative but the creation of the food & drink is. Also learning about wine, etc.
I'd agrue that it is about social perception, not reality. If you say your hobby is reading, everyone assumes you are reading Steinbeck, and if your hobby is gaming, you must be playing COD.
Also, saying "I'm a foodie" is socially acceptable - people might think you're pretentious, but will understand there is a level of intellectual engagement, skill, learning, and exploration that goes into it. If you say "my hobby is eating", on the other hand, they will be a bit nonplussed, and might imagine you taking great pride in eating 200 McNuggets in one sitting. Same with "I like wine tastings" or "I'm a brewer" vs "I like drinking"; or "I like to dance" vs "I go clubbing."
Yeah, but one person's "drinking" is another persons "collecting and curating vintage wines". There's a whole lot of leeway with the "unacceptable" hobbies depending on prestige. Gaming itself has a spectrum there; candy crush isn't really a hobby, a collection of rare arcade machines definitely is.
And I don't necessarily get a great reaction to my productive hobbies, either, if they're not correctly culture coded.
Edit: Somehow me deep diving on Wikipedia doesn't count, but the next person over gets plaudits for trashy novels, because they're on trees. That's a pretty direct inversion.
Yes.
My point wasn't to categorize certain hobbies as necessarily good or bad in a moralistic, but to explain which things are socially acceptable to have as hobbies. I don't decide what is socially acceptable. Society does. I am just observing and explaining my observations.
I just don't observe that myself, though.
If that was the way it worked, it would make sense, but in reality it's all about some kind of social pecking order and posing within it.
I mean, if that's the way you want to look at it, go ahead. It doesn't seem like a very friendly world to live in, but you are welcome to it. However, here is how I look at it.
Humans observe other humans. They see humans doing things that are good for themselves and others, and they see humans doing things that are bad for themselves and others. They lump these actions into broad categories with only the necessary nuance needed to live their own personal lives. Then when they hear of a human who greatly values doing things in one of those categories, their interest in interacting more with that human increases or decreases based on their preconcieved notion of the thing. Humans communicate with each other, sharing information. And via communication through all of society, broad cultural consenses emerge about the acceptableness or unacceptableness of being heavily invested in a certain activity.
So the thing to realize is that if you feel like you are often socially rejected when you talk about your hobbies, it may just be that you need to rephrase them, and they will become very interesting to others. For example, if you like reading about history on Wiki, you can say "I like to learn about history", and this might lead to a discussion of horse technology in the Mongol empire or something.
And if someone else says they like reading, but only actually read the most basic trash novels - well whatever. That's not your problem. You are too busy talking about horse mounted archery.
But doesn't being factually correct matter more than being comfortable? (I'm honestly not sure, asking that, whether I'm showing my ass, or if everyone sees it the way I do)
You're right that is based on observation. The prestige of something depends on the wealth, competence and cultural identity of the people seen to be doing it. Great (and now dead and uncontroversial) thinkers through the ages have read paper books. Posh people are depicted enjoying wine, and I've known rich people who like whisky. It's hard to afford rare arcade machines, but anybody can get hooked on candy crush.
For example, if you like reading about history on Wiki, you can say “I like to learn about history”
Yup. People may or may not also enjoy history or whatever else, but it's a valid answer and there's no "wet fart" kind of reaction.
Another one I use is "I like anything that can be learned from a book". It sounds smart, and it's not untrue, since the medium could be either. The fact I don't use paper books very often doesn't come up unless they ask for details, and nobody has to date.
Where does homebrewing using ingredients I grew in my garden sit on the scale of acceptable/unacceptable? Would be nice to get into beekeeping but it looks like the entry costs are quite high for something I have absolutely no idea about. Also my garden is tiny.
I think all these things fall squarely into "socially acceptable".
I think bee keeping is super neat! But as you said, can be expensive. And from what I've heard, can be more difficult than you anticipate due to modern pathogens.
At the end of the day, you should just do what you think is cool and what interests you. But maybe just don't list DOTA on your Hinge profile.
If you build Warré hives and/or trap your own bees it can be very cheap. Trapping takes patience though and is easier in certain climates.
I don't have a workshop so ability for making things is somewhat limited but might take a look at options. Got a folding saw and that is it for cutting wood, it certainly won't be a perfectly straight cut and I more use it for cutting small branches.
Perhaps it would be possible to come up with something though without spending too much. Trapping the bees does make that free which is rather appealing. Unsure what sort of success rate that would have in my garden.
Warré hives are specifically designed to be built with simple tools. I believe a saw and a drill/screwdriver is all you need. Cuts don't need to be perfectly straight and there is no fine woodworking like you need for Langstroth hives with frames.
Ok Boomer.
No. It's like the most common hobby at this point, easily.
When I say I don't really game I get a bad reaction.
My first thought was gaming as well. The hobby isn't problematic, but god damn are so many gamers themselves the problem.
Mushroom hunting; most people think the only mushrooms you find in the woods are magic or poisonous
Depends if you know what you're doing. If so, cool hobby! If not, rip your liver and kidneys.
One of my mates goes with his wife and kids to forage for morel mushrooms, it's a big family activity and they love it.
I haven't tried Morel mushrooms though, would like to give them a go with what he has said about them (we are separated by ocean or I would ask him, at the right time of year).
Talking to yourself
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