California’s new bill requires DOJ-approved 3D printers that report on themselves targeting general-purpose machines.

Assembly Member Bauer-Kahan introduced AB-2047, the “California Firearm Printing Prevention Act,” on February 17th. The bill would ban the sale or transfer of any 3D printer in California unless it appears on a state-maintained roster of approved makes and models… certified by the Department of Justice as equipped with “firearm blocking technology.” Manufacturers would need to submit attestations for every make and model. The DOJ would publish a list. If your printer isn’t on the list by March 1, 2029, it can’t be sold. In addition, knowingly disabling or circumventing the blocking software is a misdemeanor.

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[–] 93 points 8 months ago (13 children)

Sorry, I’m just a guy from overseas trying to understand why, in a country where 1 out of 4 people possess weapons, the 3D printer is the problem. I mean, there are companies selling industrial-grade firearms—why the heck is the 3D printer the target?

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    It's not about firearms.

    It's about controlling what you can 3D print.

    When your 3D printer has to connect to a third party service to check if it's allowed to print what you just sent it. That's a clear vector for companies to enforce IPs.

    Printing a replacement part for your appliance? Sorry, they're blocked.

    Printing parts to repair part of your vehicle or snap something back on? Sorry, that's banned.

    Printing something that resembles the intellectual property of any other company? Sorry, that's banned.

    Can't have you cutting into the profits of corporations by self-servicing and self-repairing.

    Also a mass surveillance device to produce surveillance of what people are 3D printing and report it to a central authority.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    Ok however its hard for me to believe that such measures could render effective. Regulating the tech literate people in such a way will always fail. The only effect it could have is that when its illegal to posses a unregistered/hacked you are an easier target for "law enforcement actions"

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    Because it makes firearms available to people without having to jump through hoops the government can track, but they can make a machine that makes flexi-dragons into a boogyman, so they throw a "protect the children" in the bill and it automatically passes.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    There are a few layers to it.

    On the surface, the excuse they give is that printed guns don't have serial numbers and thus can't be tracked. They call them "ghost guns" to instill an element of horror in the messaging.

    If you dig a bit deeper, you'll see that it's the same old tactic of manufacturing outrage and spreading fear in order to manipulate the masses. Even when people supposedly see through it, on the collective level it still works. So it seems to be an effective tool, which encourages them to keep using it.

    On a deeper level than that, it's a trojan horse. Just one more way to restrict consumers rather than holding corporations accountable. One more way to maintain their hold on people's wallets. 3D printers give people too much autonomy, enabling them to be self-reliant. The people benefiting from the current system can't have that, they won't tolerate it. "No, you'll spend $50 on that action figure, and if you need ten of them you can either cough up the dough or go to hell." Basically.

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  • [–] 168 points 8 months ago (37 children)

    If they were smarter, which they are not, they would look to place restrictions on the slicer software. I doubt the printers even have the capability to recognize what is being printed. Most of them are like move left 3 steps, extrude .1mm of filament, move right 1 step…. yada yada yada.

    This is just insanely dumb. They are essentially trying to regulate technology they know very little about.

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  • [–] 113 points 8 months ago* (13 children)

    They are essentially trying to regulate technology they know very little about.

    That's not surprising, that's just what politicians do. Especially politicians who are 65+ years old and completely out of touch with technology.

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  • [–] 37 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    I am reminded of a senator from Alaska trying to describe the internet as a series of tubes.

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Sen Ted Stevens, rest in piss.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    "The internet would be a series of tubes if we rolled out fiber, but as the literal chairman of the Senate committee regulating the internet I'm somehow against that."

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, not to defend that idiot because he was voting against net neutrality and obviously had no idea how technology works...

    ... But we do call some connections "tunnels".

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I mean.....replace the word "tubes" with "cables" and it's apparent it's not completely wrong. he's reasonably correct on an ELI5 level I would say.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    So in other words, what else is new?

    The danger if this passes isn't that someone will be able to successfully implement some manner of system for identifying gun parts which will, apparently, rely on pixie dust and magic. In reality this will effectively prohibit 3D printer sales in California entirely because compliance is literally impossible. And it'll and give overreaching cops and prosecutors yet another nonsense charge they can arbitrarily slap people with over "circumventing" this mystical technology which does not in fact exist if they, ye gods forbid, build their own printer.

    It's the same horseshit rationale as the spent casing "microstamping" fantasy that legislators have been salivating about for decades. It doesn't work, it'll never work, but that's not going to stop them from wishing it does and therefore turning it into a defacto ban.

    Keep in mind, California also has the precedent of their infamous approved handguns list, which notoriously does things like arbitrarily declaring that the black version of some model of gun is legal, but possession of the stainless version of the exact same gun is a felony. We're not dealing with people in possession of any type of rationality, here.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    I haven't read the bill, but from the description I think you could actually get around this by building your own. They can't sell a printer that doesn't have this, and you can disable it, but it doesn't say here that you can't build your own that never had the software. In that case, I assume we'll see kits that are totally not meant to be assembled into printers with all their parts you need, and then unrelated documentation online somewhere on how to assemble it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    We’re not dealing with people in possession of any type of rationality, here.

    It seems they are rationally putting pressure upon those willing to own guns or 3d printers.

    Like most of rifle shots fired in WWI didn't kill anyone and were meant for suppression.

    Making you afraid of everything that can be a legal trap. Thus possibly dropping the thought of even owning this or that thing.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Except for the fact that this doesn't put any pressure on anyone who wants a gun (those are still really easy to get in California, just not as easy as most other states). But those who benefit the most from this law are gun manufacturers, and not long after when this bill is extended to printing replacement parts for anything, all companies that charge inflated prices for repair parts or design their products to be unrepairable entirely.

    What people who print "guns" are actually printing is gun furniture. Custom grips and the like, either for comfort/aesthetics or so they can take cheaper gun parts and use them to build a clone of a similar gun from a company that charges more. They still use legally purchased gun internals.

    The gun that Luigi Mangione supposedly used was a Glock, legally purchased and one of the most ubiquitous pistols in the world, with a 3d printed grip on it. Every other part of that gun came from the manufacturer.

    The gun used to kill Shinzo Abe, however, was made entirely out of simple materials readily available at any hardware store and is completely legal in all 50 states. Because a gun like that is considered a "garage gun" and those are legal under federal law because it's essentially impossible to stop somebody from gluing together a pipe and a nail to strike the bullet with and fire it down the pipe barrel. But 3d printed gun parts don't fall under the same regulations and those who stand to lose the most from people 3d printing are those who charge unreasonable prices.

    You know who else would benefit from this law? Games Workshop, who sells many miniature figures for $40+ each, and a few for over one thousand dollars.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Because a gun like that is considered a “garage gun” and those are legal under federal law because it’s essentially impossible to stop somebody from gluing together a pipe and a nail to strike the bullet with and fire it down the pipe barrel

    I live in Russia and here this is very illegal. It can suddenly become where you live too.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Frankly it seems more like a mild inconvenience then actual prevention. I don't really care how smart a software gets, it can't predict and prevent all possible configurations of prints that could possibly be used to create functioning guns without being so overly restrictive that even perfectly innocent prints would get flagged constantly in which case they simple won't sell to normal users.

    It would be a constant game of whack a mole with new creative designs, using multiple printers or with non-printed parts in the design. But no hardware or software that a smart enough engineer has their hands on is impervious to mods either, especially if they're motivated like someone seeking to produce firearms would be.

    It's an overreaching law that will likely solve little to nothing, but might make 3d printers in general a bit more annoying to work with. "Sorry, you can't make your dice tower because there's a 16 percent change that it could be capable of firing an RPG out of the dragon's mouth. Please make your design at least 12 percent less gun-ish and try again."

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    The only way these things could be implemented is if they phone home to some "AI" model. Printers themselves do not have anywhere near enough power to do any kind of analysis like that. Mine crashes if my microsteps are too high.

    So its pretty obvious that the goal of this is to invade people's privacy and will likely try to use it to block copyrighted material if it built. It's the age verification BS all over.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    This is why politicians should be automatically retired at 65. We shouldn't be allowing people who grew up without seatbelts to make any decisions involving technology.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They are essentially trying to regulate technology they know very little about.

    You're surprised that law makers are trying to regulate things they know nothing about? Oh....oh I have like 2000 years worth of news for you....

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I know I'm not supposed to attribute to malice that which could be attributed to stupidity, but sometimes I think the legislators' ignorance is actually a front, and their real goal is just even more surveillance.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Slicers are open source so anyone can and will remove surveillance malware from it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Require printers to check digital signatures on STL files and have only approved slicers add those

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  • Print the parts for a new printer on a cheap one, buy the hardware at a local hardware store or electronics store (or even strip the cheap one for most of the parts), and start printing in your favorite flavor of open source software. Or buy the printed pieces from someone or online and then buy and assemble the rest. That's what they do with guns to circumvent some of the gun laws, because the not quite finished pieces are not legally considered a gun.

    All this would do is make people buy printers the way that they buy guns, ironically. And it still won't do anything about the so-called "ghost guns" anyway, because those are either legally bought guns with the serial number shaved off, or they're garage guns like the one used to assassinate Shinzo Abe.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    This would be impossible. Orca is rhe most widely used, and many printers don't ship woth a slicer. Since Orca is FOSS, and there is no sale, there is no way to regulate that.

    Firmware on the other hand, is different. The catch is just about every printer can have Klipper installed on it (most just have a modified Klipper already), which, means the law is pointless since it is also FOSS.

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  • [–] 52 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    'Kay. They do know these things are barely capable of being networked, right?

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Which unfortunately means the base price for a California-legal 3d printer is going to be exorbitant.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Just build your own with a kit. Hell, call it a CNC filler. This was a DIY hobby from the start. I don't see how this can be regulated.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    I don’t see how this can be regulated.

    That's the neat part: it can't. Which means attempting to do so anyway basically abolishes all property rights.

    And thus the true purpose of the legislation is revealed.

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Wow a great bill to stop people from making weapons. Y'all gonna ban pipes and steel ball bearings next?

    The fuck is our country coming to man.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago

    Here's the thing. This isn't about banning weapons. It's about controlling access to IPs and preventing right to repair.

    A forcibly Internet connected online. Only 3D printer that has to first check a public database to see if it's allowed to print the thing you just sent is most definitely going to be used to block you from printing parts to fix your appliances or devices.

    And definitely going to be used to provide copyright protection and blocking to IPS of large corporations and companies.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    It is specifically trying to prevent people from making firearms that is not detectable with a metal detector. You are allowed to create your own firearm. As long as it is detectable with a metal detector.

    I'm not here to argue their method of enforcement. I'm just saying what the purpose is.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Wrong, the purpose is to prevent people from not buying from a corporation - guns and otherwise. You can buy polymer guns right from the store.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    I guarantee that those guns have metal powder in them to make them detectable.

    Since all firearms owned by civilians must be detectable by metal detectors.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    They have metal internal components just like almost every 3d printed gun does. There are some things that you just need metal for, like springs. The vast majority of 3d printed guns are actually guns purchased from a gun store and then modified with the equivalent of handmade after-market parts.

    In order to be undetectable by metal detectors, you would have to keep the amount of metal in them to about that of a pair of glasses. So basically a firing pin and that's about it. I think a break action firing chamber would probably set it off like a big belt buckle would, and no recoil or magazine springs mean that it would have to be a single shot weapon with a manual reload - some kind of break action. And no barrel liner or a metal barrel at all, nor metal bullet casings. A shotgun shell might be able to make it through because of their mostly plastic shell with a copper back about the size of a quarter, but that's gonna be about it.

    It's really not the issue that politicians and the media make it out to be. It's just fear mongering.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I can see you care about this topic. I'm not here to piss in your soup. I just said what the purpose is.

    But in essence you are correct. The problem isn't that you can print certain parts, it's how easy it is to access everyone else supporting it. E.g. bullets or shells

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  • Don't worry, you're not pissing in my Cheerios or anything, I just always end up in one of those "That's not how this works. That's not how any of this works!" rants whenever they pull the "ghost gun" nonsense.

    It's like how it's illegal in Mass to own a suppressor unless you're a cop or military, then you can buy as many as you want. Like...it reduces recoil a little and reduces the noise from permanent hearing loss to temporary hearing damage, it's not gonna make a gun silent. Movie magic quiet is only possible with very particular sub-sonic rounds of a specific caliber. You want silent? You put a suppressor on an air rifle. Dead silent and completely legal to put a suppressor on in all 50 states because it's not a gun, despite being just as dangerous at close ranges.

    Edit: Also, these laws are often supported by firearms manufacturers because it benefits them to prevent people from being able to go elsewhere, like making aftermarket car parts illegal or forcing people to get their service done at a car dealership.

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  • [–] 40 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Just messaged my assembly member asking to vote against it. I suggest those who live in the state to do the same thing too.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Messaging your representatives is a waste of time and only exists to make you feel good about yourself.

    The only way to fix problems like this is to vote for better reps, but we're too stupid to do that so the problem doesn't get solved.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Messaging your reps actually works, though. If enough people flood the lines, the information will be passed to the rep and they don't usually feel good about it. It can actually change their voting - if you look on Bluesky you'll see various campaigns of line flooding that HAVE yielded results.

    Your post is extremely suspicious because it feels like you're actively trying to undermine and depress the voter into not doing something effective for some nefarious reason. No one without ulterior motives has ever tried to say calling or messaging your reps does nothing.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Even if this bill was in good faith, I wouldn't want it: I believe that the USA is headed into a civil war, and I want the good guys to have the ability to manufacture stuff if they need to. Be it guns or tractor parts, having flexible logistics will be invaluable. Not just for military use, but also for civilians who don't have access to official parts.

    In any case, the implementation of universal healthcare and UBI would be much more helpful for quelling violence. People who can have access to mental healthcare and with enough prosperity, are much less likely to become deranged enough to murder people. Measures like this, often exist to keep the peasants from being able to rise up against their overlords.

    This thing is a product of malicious greed, not for the sake of good.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    Even if it was in good faith: 3D printed guns are not a problem. Even if you made one it is going to jam up very quickly due to softening and melting, if not just explode all together.

    It would be easier, faster, and more effective to build a gun from things sourced at the local hardware store.

    Even then, If someone is going to commit a crime with a gun they are unlikely to build it themselves. Most guns used in crimes are actually legally purchased, purchased at a gunshow, or purchased on the black market.

    Anyone 3D printing a gun is doing it as a novelty. Because of that I don't see this as a second amendment violation. This is blantantly a first and fourth violation.

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  • [–] 68 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    This is coordinated. Multiple states at the same time.

    I don’t think it has anything to do with guns. Middle of the bell curve, most people aren’t using these for guns. They’re using these for right to repair. They’re using these for garage businesses. Shop businesses. Small businesses. (See: not corporate USA). Or for making/creatimg.

    I’ve no doubt there are people sitting on some small slice of a tail on the bell curve who do print gun parts, but this is about corporate America.

    It’s also a foot in the door dig on free and open source software.

    It’s a way to block individual and small business from horning in on corporate America’s profit for a comparably tiny slice of their own.

    Printing a knob to replace a broken on/off switch instead of buying a whole new item? Worse, selling that item or even just posting the pattern for free? We can’t have that.

    Now, you’re bypassing my item’s proprietary system by printing…

    Wait. I was able to sell threaded hand screw knobs for $5 each. Now you’re all just printing them? And the pattern is up there for free?

    We need a law.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    It is nothing less than, I say without exaggeration, a war on property rights as a whole.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Great points, I think you're on to something.
    I think the old saying "Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by stupidity" doesn't apply when malice and corporate interests are in alignment. Now I'm curious to dig into who actually wrote the bill, and who are they financially supported by...

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Given the open source bit, probably Microsoft.Linux is encroaching on home computing, Libre on office.

    Whomever owns the biggest shares in arts, crafts, woodworking, etc. You’re supposed to buy the supply and end it there. Not seek profit.

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Banning guns is so easy. But dealing with the systemic problems that lead people to guns who definitely should t have them seems impossible to grasp.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago*

    Banning anything is easy. Enforcement is hard.

    When you're next door to Arizona - regularly in the top five more prodigious gun manufacturing states - it seems absurd to worry about weapons made out of extruded plastic. Ruger & Company is going to do a better job than anything a printer can churn out.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Ban spears, knives, pipes, cars, fertilizer, aluminum, bows, blowguns, poison, fists.

    Or, just run a decent society where nobody feels opressed, and has no desire to lash out.

    Tax the billionaires out of their billions, or put a tight leash on everyone to allow the billionaires to become trillionaires. Which is it?

    Let's not forget how Gavin Newsom vetoed universal healthcare in California. Also, Gavin Newsom gave prepaid phones to a bunch of CEOs and told them to call him if the CEOs need anything. Source: https://www.politico.com/news/2025/03/18/newsom-ceos-burner-phones-00235044

    They will need to ban breathing while poor soon the way they are going.

    Can't ban your way out of the greatest wealth inequality since the Great Depression. But they will try, won't they?

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  • [–] 33 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Just when I think California couldn't possibly come up with dumber laws, they deliver yet again.

    There's genuine concerns they could be addressing but instead go after something that's going to be near impossible for them to enforce.

    Blueprints for homemade 3D printers exist that can be built with a pretty short list of parts from Digikey.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I was going to say, I thought open source 3D Printer designs/kits have been a thing for awhile. My friend just built his own last year using his original 3D printer to help in the process, lol

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