What is the charge? Eating a meal? A succulent peacock meal?
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Here's the news story about it: https://www.wtsp.com/article/news/local/pascocounty/man-kills-eats-pet-peacock-pasco-county/67-d216ccbf-d32a-462c-be3d-65c41907095e
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There's nothing wrong with eating peafowl. People have been eating them for centuries and still do.
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While some species of peafowl are endangered, the species that people keep as pets are not.
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This guy was reportedly arrested for his slaughtering methods. I'm no butcher, but I believe the commonly accepted method of slaughter is to swiftly break the bird's neck to ensure the death is quick. According to the news article, he cut the bird's necks and let them bleed out which counts as animal cruelty. A person would theoretically get arrested for doing this to their pet/feeder chickens as well.
thats crazy, i had no idea that would be considered animal cruelty. i grew up on a farm and have only ever seen the head chopped off but out of curioity, how is severing the spinal cord with an axe more inhumane than twisting the neck? logically speaking, the blood draining out has no effect on cognition, and what if theneck doesnt snap the first time?
Honestly decapitation is more humane than a broken neck. The drop in BP is enough to cause immediate lights out, where as someone with a broken neck could very well have to suffocate to death inside their own bodies.
The blood pressure drop has a huge effect on cognition.
I think they mean the guy slit the birds neck, severing the arteries but not the spinal cord, and then let it drain, instead of fully beheading it.
Yeah, I think decapitation is fine. I think this guy just cut their carotid, and hung them up to die.
Not a great way to go, honestly.
I'm familiar with some butchering methods, but I'm no butcher. I think that the most common practices in large butcher shops involve either decapitation, or a way of instantly killing the animal. Pretty sure they use a type of bolt "gun" for bovines that basically crushes their skull.
It seems like it is brutal, but their death is so instant, it is considered to be humane.
Chickens are often slaughtered by cutting their necks in a same way but using a machine. They go through an electric shock bath right before cutting their necks. Some chickens survive the shock and flail, getting their necks half-cut by the machine before entering a hot bath.
I certainly didn't mean to imply any methods are perfect or without the opportunity to go wrong.
Hopefully nobody got that idea from what I said.
I'll reiterate: I'm not a butcher, so my knowledge is limited. I do, however, still eat meat despite all that I know about it.
Hanging the bird upside down, cutting its neck (specifically, the arteries that are in the neck) and letting it bleed out is standard practice. The blood drains quickly and they die within a few seconds. It sounds horrible if you haven't seen it done but this is how many (most?) farmers do it.
I've seen aunties grab a chicken by the neck and just spin it around till the head comes off.
It sounds to me like the guy told the neighbor "stop feeding my birds, I'm going to slaughter them soon", and the neighbors who had been feeding the birds without permission reported them?
Anyways. Peacocks are annoying as hell. Preposterously loud.
Peacocks are annoying as hell. Preposterously loud.
One of my neighbors have Peacocks. The rest have dogs. I'll take Peacocks any day!
It's kind of adorable hearing them yell at cars driving by too fast/loud.
The peacocks I've seen are so loud they can be heard at the top of a 25 story condo. I've literally seen people sell their condos because of the damn peacocks. Maybe they only have peahens?
Maybe they only have peahens?
That may be. I can't actually see them because of a big privacy fence. But I definitely recognize the sound, my grandparents raised them.
I’ve literally seen people sell their condos because of the damn peacocks.
If it was economically feasible, I'd sell my house because of the dogs :/
Pretty sure halal and kosher meat requires that the animals bleed out.
Yeah, I have seen the animal bleed out once, and it is hard to watch.
A small and young lamb is all tied up laying on the ground with the carotid severed. It is clearly in fear and tries very hard to get away. That struggle lasted for a long time until it eventually is exhausted and died.
I am not sure if this is how halal and kosher meat are produced though.
I've seen Kosher/Halal killing of chickens, goats and cows. Cows are the worst.
Literally every single halal certified carcass was killed like this.
This guy was reportedly arrested for his slaughtering methods. I’m no butcher, but I believe the commonly accepted method of slaughter is to swiftly break the bird’s neck to ensure the death is quick. According to the news article, he cut the bird’s necks and let them bleed out which counts as animal cruelty. A person would theoretically get arrested for doing this to their pet/feeder chickens as well.
That's how everyone kills chickens around here, you even have like a metal cone to keep them steady while you do it, I never had the heart to kill any animals but I've seen a lot of it.
I think of the method this guy used as "The Sarah Palin method" because she once did a news interview while people were killing turkeys in the background that way.
Ah, so standard Halal practice, which is savage animal cruelty with a devoted PR department.
kill 70B chickens a year? I sleep
kill 2 peacocks? real shit now!
Bird law is not governed by reason
deranged canada goose noises
They are governed by neither law nor reason.
I award you a birder point for saying Canada goose instead of Canadian goose ⭐️
Are there non-deranged Canada goose noises?
Ed Bassmaster (prankster/comic from Philly) and the Attack Goose: Attack goose - Ed Bassmaster
The Romans used to eat them like turkeys.
Nothing to do with endangered, dudes just a nut. Said he ate them out of spite. He's got an impressive court history of brandishing firearms and DUI/driving suspended while DUI. https://www.cbsnews.com/miami/news/florida-man-eats-pet-peacocks-dispute-neighbor-feeding-them-craig-vogt-pasco-county-sheriffs-office-tampa-bay/
Huh, apparently peacocks are endangered. So probably that's why?
I honestly thought they were quite common as livestock but I guess I was wrong.
The common peacock, also called Indian peafowl (Pavo cristatus), seen in the pic above, is not endangered. Least concern in fact.
The Green peafowl (pavo muticus) is endangered, but I highly doubt the Florida man had/ate that species. Much harder to acquire—I’ve never even seen it at a zoo.
People get tigers and lions so I don't think a peacock is much harder to acquire. Also according to Wikipedia:
The green peafowl is in demand for private and home aviculture and threatened by the pet trade, feather collectors and hunters for meat and targeted.
Lol just admit you got it wrong, why argue? You said peacocks are endangered, and they’re not. Just say oops and move on.
Here's the thing. You said "peacocks are endangered." Is Green peafowl in the same genus? Yes. No one's arguing that. As someone who is a scientist who studies peacocks, I am telling you, specifically, in science, no one calls peacocks endangered. If you want to be "specific" like you said, then you shouldn't either. They're not the same thing. If you're saying "peacocks" you're referring to the taxonomic grouping of Pavonini, which includes things from indian peafowl to mbulus to green peafowl. So your reasoning for calling a peacocks endangered is because random people "call the ornamental birds peacocks?" Let's get mandarin ducks in there, then, too. Also, calling someone a human or an ape? It's not one or the other, that's not how taxonomy works. They're both. A green peafowl is a green peafowl and a member of the pavo genus. But that's not what you said. You said peacocks are endangered, which is not true unless you're okay with calling all members of the pavonini tribe endangered, which means you'd call indian peacocks, congo peafowl, and other peacocks endangered, too. Which you said you don't. It's okay to just admit you're wrong, you know?
A peacock is a crow.
Damn, Unidan in Lemmy? Who woulda thought.
They recognized a blind spot in their knowledge, did some learning, then reported back with what they learned. Then you yelled at them? It’s not like they were being combative.
Did we read different comments?
They posted a Wikipedia excerpt about a specific type of peafowl being endangered and said that people get other endangered animals so it wouldn't be hard to get an endangered peacock.
At no point did they admit a blind spot in their knowledge. In fact they doubled down on their blind spot even though they were told the peacock in the article isn't one of the endangered ones.
I can't find any mention of the specific species of peafowl the man had. My personal guess is that it's just a stock image of a peacock. None of the articles below mention the species, but one does have the same mugshot.
https://apnews.com/article/peacocks-killed-florida-man-arrested-e1466f377234c6bc30f3c761c09f4607
Quoting the AP article,
The 61-year-old man from Hudson, Florida, was arrested last week on a third-degree felony charge of aggravated animal cruelty, according to an affidavit from the Pasco County Sheriff’s Office.
The man told investigators that he had killed the two peacocks because his neighbor kept feeding them. He had written the neighbor a letter telling her that he would continue to kill his pet peacocks if she kept feeding them “to prove a point,” according to the affidavit, which didn’t say how many peacocks he kept.
The man “admitted to killing the bird by cutting the bird’s neck out of spite, then bleeding it out, and then later eating the bird after cooking it on a frying pan,” the affidavit said.
So it doesn't seem so simple as him merely getting arrested for deciding to eat one of his peafowl.
Killing an endangered animal and cruelty to animals are separate statutes. So I think it's safe to safe it's not an endangered peafowl.
- https://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0800-0899%2F0828%2FSections%2F0828.12.html
- https://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?App_mode=Display_Statute&URL=0300-0399%2F0379%2FSections%2F0379.411.html "level four violations" are also third degree felonies. So it's possible it wasn't mentioned because it's "just as bad" as the other.
I don't care enough to pull the man's actual court records and see if he was also charged with Intentional killing or wounding of any species designated as endangered, threatened, or of special concern.
If anyone wants to sleuth on this further, feel free.
But would a pet affect this? Isn't endangered status about wild animals?
If the animal is endangered you still get dinged even of they are you pets. The laws are written as such to prevent this and things like getting an endangered or threatened species as a "pet" and then killing them to taxidermy.
No. It doesn't really matter if the animals are wild or in captivity.
Under the ESA, it is unlawful to "take" any endangered or threatened animal species, which is broadly defined to include harassing, harming, pursuing, hunting, shooting, wounding, or killing.
Its to discourage people from capturing wild endangered species and raising them as pets. Making something a pet is as good as killing it in the wild.
However, I don't think they're native to florida so I'm not sure it matters.
Yeah, I feel like every other park I've ever been to has had a peacock...
probably that’s why?
Nope!
He was charged with animal cruelty, probably because of the wacky letter he sent to his neighbor, and that he did it “out of spite.”
animal cruelty laws are a good thing, but this is bullshit, why are some animals allowed to have rights, while others allowed to be butchered and eaten?
I'm not vegan, but there should be a consistent framework.
why are some animals allowed to have rights, while others allowed to be butchered and eaten?
The line is generally a combination of social, practical, and culinary. That is, if it's not a companion animal, it's not endangered, it is customarily raised as livestock and it is tasty those are all evidence it probably goes in the latter category. So chicken = food, whooping crane = not food because endangered, german shepherd = not food because companion, blue ringed octopus = not food because taste bad.
but those are also cultural.
horses? food in France.
So, who's asked whether it is "tasty" or not?
What if someone fed a really bad diet to chicken and as a result the produce was not tasty to anyone that bought it? Can the seller now get jailed for selling non-tasty chicken (or for having killed those chicken prior to selling them)? :P
Also, I never really found chicken tasty, out of the few times I tried. Once, it was, due to the marination, but then it's the marination ingredients that are really tasty. So I guess you are better off not referring to me when deciding what is legal :P
Dude our whole country is governed based on the feelings of right-wing men.
Every issue, every unsolvable problem, every "why the fuck do we do THAT?!" exists because right-wing men have huge feelings about things and the only cards they can play are either "violence" or "control" (which are usually the same thing.)
To be fair, from what I've seen if peacock behaviors, they're dicks.
Animals being dicks is not a good enough reason to kill and eat them. They should also be tasty.
Is peacock tasty? I've never had any. Can we ask the guy in the news story?
They are quite common livestock all over the world.
And exotic to Florida, so calling them "endangered" is completely meaningless.
I grew up in an Italian community where peacocks and peahens were commonly raised for food - exactly like chickens are now raised by hipsters.
they are? we got a town overrun with invasive peafowl near here and we just want to kill them.
fancy poultry
I heard it was a sick peacock.
Allegedlys.
His nickname is Drew
Peacocks are chicken made of pea protein. They're vegan! /s
Birds aren’t real


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