Adafruit: From Ultimate Driving Machine to Ultimate Rent-Seeking Machine: The BMW Logo Screw Patent.

If you haven’t already heard, BMW’s R&D teams have been busy “innovating.” Unfortunately, they aren’t focusing on the things that actually matter—like stellar engine performance or the legendary driving dynamics that gearheads love. Instead, the C-suite execs decided that the best use of their engineering budget was to design a proprietary security screw specifically intended to prevent BMW drivers from fixing their own cars.

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[–] 226 points 8 months ago (30 children)

As soon as the rollout for BMW dealers starts, Chinese toolmakers will churn out compatible bits and screwdrivers. They might even be on the market before the BMW dealers have them in the mail.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Ifixit does this with apple’s fasteners. I bet they have plans for the BMW ones now too.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    My dad bought me an ifixit repair kit for my birthday or Christmas or something and it is absolutely up there with the best, most frequently used presents of the last decade. It had the weird Ring doorbell bit when I tore down Amazon's spy doorbell. It has an odd bit for my ebike, it has all the computer and phone repair tools to crack open modern devices. This was more of a phone/tablet/computer kit. Maybe Ifixit or someone else will make a repair kit specifically for vehicles with anti-consumer "features"

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    Unless im missing something about the design, theres a fairly common bit already on the market that works for this, and Id assume most auto shops already have laying around. My dewalt 50 piece came with one...
    Bit looks like ( https://share.google/KHdg0HfO6zC9bab9O)

    That one of those 2 pin spanner wrencheswith one on an arm that swings to adjust size, as far as asshole design security screws go, im not too mad at this... accomplishes what it needs to (keeping some rando with a screwdriver in his pocket from just deciding to undo some exposed screws for 'fun', or stealing your car trim) without being so proprietary pwople who arent preppared can't undo it with tools at hand (like the apple Pentalobe screws, and various triangle and tritip Philips variants, really anything with an odd number of contact points is immediatly more of a pita)

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (19 children)

    I'm sure they will but that requires owners to go out and buy a kit of specialty tools for that one job, which may be too much investment. And many people are just not savvy enough to do that, they see "specialty tools" and throw up their hands.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    It's a special bit, that's it. Do you have any idea how many bits/sockets/adapters I already own that only fit one vehicle? TONS. That's just the nature of vehicles and maintenance. And I'm pretty sure if you own a BMW, you can afford a $5 bit. This is a nothing burger. It's just people jumping on the BMW hate, which if you were smart, there's plenty of actual things they overcharge up the ass for. This isn't one of them. You might as well complain about locking lug nuts as a whole because that's really all this is.

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  • [–] -5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    It's a special bit, that's it.

    More likely it's a whole set of bits. Why do you think they're doing this? Apple invented a new screw. Why do you think they did that? None of it is intended to slow down professional repair businesses, it's to stop DIYers.

    You might as well complain about locking lug nuts as a whole because that's really all this is.

    LOL locking lugnuts prevent theft. Do you think that's what the purpose of this is?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    You mean apples proprietary bit that comes with any cheap as fuck set of security bits? I have an electronics screwdriver set that cost me $10 and does ALL THE BITS, including Apples.

    Locking lug nuts: you mean the thing most people with nice rims use? People who own things like a BMW? So instead of the one specific locking bit they now have this specific locking bit? So a 1:1 swap for one custom bit to another? Except locking lug nuts are individualized and need the very specific adapter for each one, where this one is generic and would work on ALL BMW locking bolts.

    Also, you realize this is a standard bolt, right? As in, you can take it out and put a standard one in if it bothers you.

    This is nothing but morons being outraged. It's like people complaining about tax cuts for the rich as if you're gonna be a billionaire someday. Your civic is gonna be just fine and for the people actually in this situation who already pay things like $300 for a replacement window switch, this $5 tool is meaningless.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You mean apples proprietary bit

    One and only (AFAIK)

    instead of the one specific locking bit they now have this specific locking bit?

    Did you just completely ignore what I said about this being a security item?

    The only moron here is the one who doesn't read comments before replying to them. If you can't tell me what you think the purpose of this bolt is, then don't reply to me again.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    locking lug nuts prevent theft

    Yeah, I addressed that, can you not read? There's a whole paragraph there. I think you might be a bit slow buddy. In fact, your only quote about security was mocking it. But now your pro security? Really I think you're just a jackass 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    I read the entire paragraph and at no time did you address your failed analogy that these are not for theft prevention. But thank you for acknowledging that you have no idea what they're for. You're being blocked now.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Have you done any work on your own vehicle? Because buying a tool just to do one job happens all the time.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'm a professional, I have thousands of tools I use on a regular basis, and I use them to make money

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    Whoh thousands and not hundreds?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I mean depends on how you count them, but probably something like that.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    If you work on your own car you have enough savvy to go out and get a specialty bit.

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  • [–] -2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    You might also elect not to. Tell me, what do you think is the purpose of this special fastener?

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  • [–] 96 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Remember kids, every screw is a flathead with an angle grinder

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  • [–] 95 points 8 months ago

    $1.49 on temu

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  • [–] 43 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'll never buy a car that has subscription features

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Until they force you. Like how pretty much all new housing developments have oppressive HOAs now.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children)

    It's a choice to live there. And you have a choice on how you spend your money. No one is holding a gun to your head making you buy a shitty car.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    it’s your choice to live there

    I can’t tell if you’re being sarcastic or not because that is an awful argument. The housing market isn’t this perfectly liquid thing where there’s always another house to choose from that fits all your requirements a reasonable distance from your workplace.

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  • [–] 36 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Harbor freight will have these weird screwdriver tips in a kit within 12 months.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Proprietary security screws have existed for a long time. There's a reason they're using their logo, and its not vanity, its a weaponization of trademark law. Recreating the tip would mean recreating a trademark without authorization.

    Few reputable companies will be willing to take that risk.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    Sega tried this back in the 90s and already lost in court. The court ruled that by making the use of it's trademark a required element in order to perform an otherwise lawful activity, any resulting trademark confusion was the fault of Sega.

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  • [–] 30 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Just take out your rotary tool, grind a notch into a bit, et voila! You have a tool for your BMW.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Or grind a slot in the screw and you can use a flat head screwdriver.

    Be sure to upload the process and tag BMW with a FU.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I'd buy 20 knockoff security bits before ever intentionally adding a flat head screw to a car

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  • [–] 56 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    There is a really, really simple solution to this problem. This might sound crazy, but hear me out. Maybe don't buy their cars? Not like there's a lack of competition.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The new bimmers are ugly as sin.

    I say that as someone who loved his e90

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago

    Innovation under capitalism will always benefit capital. Any benefit to consumers is incidental.

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  • [–] 70 points 8 months ago (25 children)

    No biggie. In less than a week we'll have thousands of Chinese Amazon sellers providing these tools to everyone for lose to.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Yes, but. If they add enough "special" things you need, that will reduce the number of average people and independent mechanics that will go through the trouble of getting all the "special" tools. Thier goal isn't to stop you. It's to inconvenience enough people so that they won't bother. Which drives more business to thier shops, which in turn makes them more money. And since they are publicly traded, it doesn't even have to actually make them money. Just make the market think it might.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Its all a plan. People think I'm a conspiracy nut when i explain it. I think they're dumb for not seeing it. Capitalism is the best planned scam.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I tie it all into how a public company's board has a fiduciary responsability to the shareholders legally. Which means they can (and often do) get sued for doing whats best for the customer over the shareholders. It sometimes clicks with people.
    And many who don't see it aren't dumb per se. They are more or less refusing to see it because they would have to realize that they are the slaves or pawns, or cogs in the machine. And they are not in control of thier destiny. Thats a hard thing for a lot of people to swalllow. Especially since there isn't much they can do about it.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    You would think it should be in the company (and its shareholders) interests to make a product that people really want to buy, instead of becoming increasingly hostile to their customers.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    You would, but making such a product is extremely expensive. And consumers will in general buy the cheaper not better product. Major investors know this, so spending on making a better product would actualy cause the stock price to go down. Maybe it would have paid off in the long run. But they want the stock price to go up now, not a year from now.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

    they want the stock price to go up now, not a year from now.

    That's the core of the issue. Short term focus at the expense of the long term sustainability of the entire enterprise.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I think the focus on the shareholder perceptions is the core issue. It's compounded by the short term interests of said shareholders.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That short term focus causes a lot of damage to a lot of people.

    But, of course, too many shareholders are sociopathically focused on their own enrichment with absolutely zero concern for the harms thay cause to the rest of society.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Until you're halfway through putting in new brake pads and realize you need a specialty bit and now you're stuck without a working car until you get that Amazon package.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago*

    At that point that bolt is getting destructively removed and replaced with a different bolt from the hardware store. Unless they have custom thread pitches, there's going to be an easy replacement.

    Edit but I don't own a BMW and never will, my first car was the bargainest basement commuter car and my next one will be too.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Yeah, security screws are security theatre. I had an electronics screw driver set that came with a bunch of the rarer screw bits by default. Actually ran into one I didn't have, then noticed another set with that one (plus other features like the long bendy bit for hard to reach screws) next time I was in the tool section and just bought it.

    That said, I won't be needing this one. Driving a BMW would go against the image I'm trying to cultivate of not being an asshole.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    BMW drivers have this fame of being douchebags (most absolutely are) , which makes me wonder, how the hell do we describe Tesla drivers then?

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It's almost, as if the article answers that question with a resounding "no, that's not going to help either."

    But the novelty wears off the moment you consider the physics. Because this head prioritizes branding over utility, neither the bit nor the screw head can withstand the torque of a standard Torx or Hex fastener. The result? Broken bits, stripped screws, and more time spent on what would otherwise be a simple task.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    neither the bit nor the screw head can withstand the torque of a standard Torx or Hex fastener

    Which "standard" Torx head? Maximum torque of 0.43Nm of a T5? Or maybe 10.5Nm of a T20? 132Nm of a T50? T60 is rated for 437Nm.

    If you need a bolt that can handle 50Nm, you put a head that's sized to that on the bolt.
    If it's a Torx, you put a T40. If it's Hex, you put an 8mm on it. And if it's a stupid BMW one, you pick the size that can handle 50Nm. The shape doesn't matter.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    That would be circumventing a protection mechanism. Isn't that a violation of the DMCA in the US?

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago

    Yes and and violating anti-circumvention is now a crime... not a civil offense, prison. For repairing an item that you own.

    I guess that's what we, the labor class, get for not spending tens of millions of dollars on lobbyists like the Founding Fathers intended.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    The digital millennium copyright act? That thing that companies use to take down copyright violation videos and photos?

    I think this is more likely patent law which is not something that has ever stopped Chinese manufacturing from producing cheaper alternatives to the same concept.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    The DMCA has a section that says (high level) it is illegal to circumvent a technological protection measure that protects copyrighted materials. DMCA was used for years to prevent farmers from repairing their John Deere's equipment themselves. They only got that 2 years ago after a legal battle. So the question is: can a fancy screw be considered a TPM?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    DMCA is interpreted very widely.

    It criminalizes circumventing anything that could be used to protect copywritten information. So they just add copywritten stuff where it isn't needed to criminalize anything they don't want you to do. It's why washing machines now have proprietary software and circuit boards instead of mechanical switches and why printer ink cartridges have chips on board.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (4 children)

    I would like to get my hands on those Engineers. Do we have a term for engineers who design pro-capitalist enshittification tech ?

    UPDATE: Looks like I got my answer, here's the video for it.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago

    VW made these funky triangle topped bolt on TDi injection pumps ( or maybe it was Bosch who cares). My buddy who's a mechanic said "don't mess with those ,you need special sockets".

    I took 12pt sockets and used a dremmel to grind out every other two points in the socket and had my own set to mess with the bolts they didn't want me messing with.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    I like the PlayStation stylized screw much more.

    Stylized screw from within a PlayStation. It bears symbols from the faces of controller buttons

    (Original credit for the image goes to an old reddit post)

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (3 children)
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    Haha, nice.

    Funnily enough I've been talking to people a lot about screw types recently. My wife was taking some hardware out of the house and cursing the varied kinds of screws used during installation; a friend and co-worker has been obsessed with the varieties ever since I met him; and my six year old found some of the screws dropped by my wife and asked why they were different.

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