Have you ever loved something, only to realize it’s a commercial flop or just obscure? What’s something that deserves more light than it got?

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[–] 52 points 8 months ago (5 children)

Tour de Pharmacy

It's a mockumentary about the Tour de France, but everyone's been kicked out for doping.

There are only 5 competitors left, Andy Sandberg, John Cena, Daveed Diggs, Orlando Bloom, and Freddie Highmore.

They've got the actual Lance Armstrong doing a "hidden informant" bit.

Each of the racers has a wacky backstory. Hijinks ensue. It's a great time.

Not the best movie ever, but I had an absolute blast with it.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Seeing John Cena keep up with comedy heavy weights convinced me that he's a pretty good actor.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Peacemaker was pretty fun. I had basically no familiarity with Cena other than the meme and the Make a Wish status. His acting was sufficiently entertaining to convince me to continue the show.

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  • [–] 46 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Better off Ted. I dont think it is underrated, but it definitely seems to be not well known and only got a couple of seasons. It's the first time I got mad at Netflix canceling a show I loved.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago

    It's an excellent show.

    But don't be mad at Netflix. It aired on ABC, and they cancelled it (presumably because it had lower ratings than the network's other comedies). Netflix just picked up streaming rights after the fact.

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  • [–] 34 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    Hyperion and Fall of Hyperion by Dan Simmons. Some of best science-fiction literature ever penned.

    However, the author, while a superb writer, is an asshole.

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    A lot of the classic scifi authors were assholes one way or another it seems. Frank Herbert was homophobic.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Herbert was homophobic, Assimov was sexist, Orson Scott Card is homophobic, it's such a shame.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Orson is so frustrating. Speaker for the Dead is a wonderful book about not judging other cultures, their practices or desires. Things that may seem shocking to you personally, are normal and celebrated by others.

    And it's written by a bigot. Like dude, have you even read your own book?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    It works because it is everything he doesn't believe in that the readers coalesce into a coherent ideology. He was just writing about a world he doesn't believe can exist because his world was shaped so strongly by LDS/Mormonism.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago

    I couldn't agree more. Dude writes a book about how the greatest human achievement is empathy and how it can redeem us for the evils we commit in ignorance, and then says that all queer people secretly wish they were "normal". Just a reminder we all need to examine ourselves for bias I guess.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Loved Hyperion, but I bounced off the sequel. The first book was just such a perfect story, told perfectly... Then it just seems to kind of transform into just another space sci-fi affair with book 2. Like the entire structure of the first book was thrown out, and now we're just telling a space story.

    I'm sure it's good, people have told me it's good. It just didn't seem like it fit together as a sequel to such a perfect novel (that maybe never needed a sequel).

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    [–] 30 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Movie wise:

    1. Logan Lucky - "Trying to reverse a family curse, brothers Jimmy and Clyde Logan set out to execute an elaborate robbery during the legendary Coca-Cola 600 race at the Charlotte Motor Speedway."

    I really found myself loving this movie, which was a surprised to me. But I believe that I found myself loving the characters and how they were shown on screen. I also loved the pacing of the movie. I never felt like there was a moment that had over stayed it's stay. The story it's self was interesting enough for me to keep wanting to watch as well. And no, it's not a film, it's a fun movie. It's not trying to be the next Heat or The Sting.

    1. Kubo and the Two Strings - "Kubo mesmerizes the people in his village with his magical gift for spinning wild tales with origami. When he accidentally summons an evil spirit seeking vengeance, Kubo is forced to go on a quest to solve the mystery of his fallen samurai father and his mystical weaponry, as well as discover his own magical powers."

    It's a powerful film IMO. There was a lot to love from the experience and it's one of my all-time favorite stop motion films ever.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Kubo was really good. Only reason it isn't better known is because it wasn't a major studio. If they slapped a Pixar logo on it, it would've been huge.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I think it won an Oscar. The truth is the themes and cinematography are too dark. Its also very artsy. It doesnt have the punch of a typical Pixar but, to me, thats why its so great. I love Disney but there can be other things. Just dont expect them to become household staples.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (5 children)

    Bryan Fuller's TV opus, primarily Dead Like Me and Pushing Daisies, although the first two seasons of Hannibal are really excellent writing and storytelling. All his work deals with death, but each has something slightly different to say about it.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Came here to talk about his show Wonder Falls. It only aired 3 episodes on Fox, but the whole season was released on DVD later. I think I'm one of thr few people who watched the live broadcast, because I was recovering from 2 surgeries for like a month, and had nothing to do. Led me to discover the whole Fullerverse.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I watched the broadcast, but even those who remember that it existed at all is a small club. It’s one of my all time favorites. If you haven’t already, look up the plans that they had for the future seasons of the series. There were fantastic ideas to develop the storyline that sadly will never be written.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    If I had a mouse for every time I'd seen Pushing Daisies mentioned on Lemmy, I'd probably have like hundreds of mice, because I've seen it mentioned twice and those things breed. It was absolutely excellent though and I was so gutted it never got another series. Maybe it was hit by a writers strike? Can't remember how long ago it came out now.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Good news (from December):

    “Absolutely,” [Bryan] Fuller told The Mary Sue recently about wanting to revisit Pushing Daisies. “We have a season three pitch, and the entire cast wants to come back, and we’re hoping we get to return to them. We just have to find somebody who wants to make it.”

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  • [–] 26 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    Not so much underrated as it was rated well, but mostly because it didn’t really do well in theaters. Annihilation (2018) which is based on the novel of the same name is often overlooked when talking about great scifi movies. The book is great too.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    I kinda bounced off the books. I read all three, but I felt like they were just trying a little too hard to be vague. The second in particular is an absolute slog. I thought the movie was much better than the books, and I'm 99% of the time the other way-round.

    His next book: Borne was amazing. Probably my favorite of his.

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  • [–] 23 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Foundation on Apple TV is a visually beautiful show and follows the books generally well with a few caveats.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    As a fan of the books, I was initially pretty upset with some of the changes, but I'm glad I stuck with it. The show is it's own thing that goes to some fascinating places.

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    Cloud Atlas is my usual mention.

    Favourite movie and it's usually a fairly even split between people like myself who love it and people who think it's garbage.

    Not much middle ground

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I went into it blind, and immediately had to go read the book.

    This isn't alone as a movie steering me towards a book. But nothing else has spurred a drop everything else response like that.

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  • [–] 62 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    i simply do not hear enough people talking about Outer Wilds, i know it released in the same year as the AA game by Obsidian - Outer Worlds, the title of which is different by whole two letters, which provided a very good distraction but

    AAAAA

    Outer Wilds is a lighting in a bottle video game that the majority of those who have played it wish they could experience for the first time again. it's a stunning piece of art that makes you cry and you're not even sure what exactly just happened. but there's always a point where it all just hits you - and all you can do is cry

    it doesn't handhold you, in fact it doesn't give you any objectives at all, you're lead through the entire game by sheer curiosity alone - and oh boy will that curiosity make you zoom across the space back and forth until you get to the bottom of it. when you utter your first "oh what's that? i'm going to check it out" it'll have you, you might not realise it yet but you're now primed for adventure

    this is the only game i'm not afraid to overhype. i watched that game sit in my library, for over a year, and in that time i hyped it up in my head to unreachable levels, to the point where eventually i was close to afraid of playing it because how could it possibly meet that standard i've envisioned? and you know what? it was better than i've ever imagined. it waited for me to be ready to sit down and play it, and then it delivered and experience that i'll forever treasure

    maybe it won't hit that exact sweet spot for you as it did for me, but bloody hell can i assure you you'll never forget it - even though you'll wish you did, to play it for the first time again

    oh and if any of my vague praise made you interested - rule #1 of Outer Wilds Club: don't talk about Outer Wilds. don't look up anything about it, you want to experience it as blind as you possibly can, some people even go as far as buying their friends a copy so they never have to look at the steam page screenshots

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I enjoyed this game but I didn't love it as much as I see people gushing about it do. It makes me wonder if I might have enjoyed it more not having heard it hyped up all the time. I did manage to completely avoid spoilers so it wasn't that

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I heard amazing things about Outer Wilds, was under the impression it was an adventure game but "make sure to go in blind!" was the universal advice so I didn't look up more, downloaded it, started to play, and really struggled with the controls. I wasn't raised with video games as a kid and I don't play platformers and such so my coordination is shit. When I went to the net to find a solution (because a lot of games have at least mods you can download to make things easier) but all I got was "get gud." I asked a friend who was like "oh yeah, I watched a stream of someone playing and it seems like a technically difficult game." So that's a pretty important warning to include with any Outer Wilds recommendation.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    i wouldn't worry about it too much, we all struggle with the ship at first :) even the best of us! piloting it becomes second nature after some time though, just gotta learn through practice

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like I gave it enough of a try to know that this isn't an "at first" issue, and as a grown-ass adult I'm not going to throw an unknown number of hours at practicing something I don't know if I'll ever get the hang of enough to properly play the game.

    This is an accessibility issue; many games include "cheat" modes so as to allow a much larger audience that may otherwise be physically or otherwise incapable of playing the standard mode to still enjoy it. As far as I know, this game has provided nothing of the sort. Given that OW is marketed as an adventure/exploration game rather than a technical game, I don't know why they refused to provide this, but regardless this is a gate-kept game, which is fine, not every game has to be easy or accessible, but please don't pretend otherwise.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    idk what to say man, the game literally has an autopilot, all you need to learn is how to take off, and land. but you can't relay on the autopilot to do the exploring for you - being able to control your ship when needed is necessary

    what other accesability options can you think of adding to a space exploration game that needs 360° of movement?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    "There are so many games out there that feature space travel and yet none of them really get it. The horror of an endless dark vacuum so intent on killing you that just 90 seconds in its inanimate presence is more than enough to freeze, suffocate, and explode you inside out. Space is literally the worst place in the universe.

    People always think of space as above us, but it's not really; you don't have to look up to see space, you have to look away from safety to see space. Then, when you're out there in the nothing, there are jewels; un-process-ibly large balls of fire and light held together by our own fucking anger, rocks that can range between husks of nothing or everything some life ever knows, and an endless amount of phenomena that would take our scientific knowledge and fuck it from arsehole to breakfast.

    But video games just don't get it. They just don't get space. Video games set in space are either just men with big swinging dicks firing at bug-eyed monsters or fucking truck driving simulators. If exploration does happen to be the focus, you'll find out that the main difference between the endless majesty that is life in this universe is the colour of the fucking grass. Yeah, you're in space but it feels inaccessible like a fingerprint wouldn't take on it; like it's behind glass.

    The Outer Wilds - fucking hell - the Outer Wilds gets space. It doesn't care about scale or scientific accuracy, it gets the feel right. Yeah, your ship's made from wood and the majority of planets are the size of of a badly stocked IKEA, but watching all the stars in the sky go out one by one like far off fireworks and knowing that each one could be destroying an entire history and having to do that fucking every 22 minutes -- nothing. Nothing has made me feel like that before. No game, no book, no movie. It's beyond extraordinary.

    Its planets - fuck - its planets; each one a bizarre impossible place riddled with life and death and decay and nonsense. Each one dense in history and vandalised by time. Each one nightmarish and so, so beautiful and in 22 minutes, they're gone

    because the Outer Wilds isn't even really about space, it's about the question, the most important and terrifying and unanswerable question anyone ever asks: Why? Why bother? Why bother with any of this? People die, stars burn out, the universe will go quiet and dark and cold and in the longest run, nothing - absolutely nothing matters. Everything dies, the universe included. So why sit around the fire, playing music into a void that doesn't care? Why huddle around the light? Why play?

    Because, well - look at it. It's mad, all of it. Life is a big stupid blob of meaningless nothing. Yet from that, we find meaning. People, things, animals, art, sofas, cereal, Rubik's cubes, silly little games about space, whatever. None of it matters in the grand scheme but fuck the grand scheme! There's no logical reason for life and nobody's gonna mourn it when it's gone, but that's what makes it fantastic. Life is a little song that we hum to ourselves and, I wouldn't want it other way.

    The Outer Wilds is an optimistic game about nihilism. It's a game with no invisible walls, you can complete it in ten minutes if you know what to do - which you won't for hours - and the only limit is knowledge. It's a game literally like no other. The universe is big and long and impossible and daft and you, you happen to be experiencing it at the exact same point that you can play the Outer Wilds as well. Embrace that coincidence. Come on, what are you waiting for? The sun could explode tomorrow."

    Which is my candidate for the most underrated youtuber, yeah he has 2.4 million subscribers but the videos bring in like 50k views, so it's obviously wrong.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    really well said! :) i know of Nerd³, i learnt about him through an even more underrated youtuber - ManyATrueNerd, they play together sometimes. if you like goofy british men who suffer from flashes of both extreme intelligence and deep stupidity, often in the same sentence, check him out lol

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago

    Better Off Ted I feel is reasonably well known and did manage to get an unexpected second season. I feel like a chunk of its potential audience had already left Television for streaming even back when it first aired.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (13 children)

    Norsemen was a great series but I understand why people didn’t get into it or even tried it. The humor is very special and maybe takes a little time to settle. It all feels like the cast didn’t know what’s going on and was making it up on the go, which is part of the fun.

    Another one: Minesweeper. I feel like most people never understood how this game even works and just clicked randomly until something exploded. It’s actually purely logical! In the classic Windows version there is unfortunately always a high chance to encounter fields that can’t be solved by logic. This is what Mineswifter solves. If you want something more complex, there is the Hexcells series. Get the last one, Infinite, as it has a puzzle generator integrated.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    It’s actually purely logical!

    What's the logic that can guarantee your first move won't be a mine?

    Edit to add: Norsemen was great, loved it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I had a friend that was amazing at minesweeper. Watching him play the hardest levels and clearing them in under 30 seconds was incredible.

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Tetris beats minesweeper every day. People pack their vacation cars/suvs and refer to tetris-ing them. No one every says, "I minesweepered that."

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Arcanum: Of Steamworks and Magick Obscura, it was made by alumni of Interplay. The developers also made Vampire the Masquerade: Bloodlines, which probably is why it gets overshadowed.

    Anyways gameplay is effected by build, equipment, and even race because of course it is this is a game made by Fallout 2 devs. If that sounds interesting but not convincing go watch Mandaloregaming, Warlockracy, or Ssethtzeentach for better reasons, though if you aren't familiar with any or all of the YouTubers I mentioned I ordered it by least to most batshit.

    Also if any Eastern Europeans try to say "Oh this was a big game when I was in school" yes I'm aware I know about how your bootleggers charged by the disk resulting in everyone having Fallout 1, 2, and Arcanum. Sadly the game didnt do nearly as well here in the US in my experience.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    One of my favorite games of all time!

    I just need to get off my ass, install the various 'modernization' mods and play again.

    Just like I already did with Master of Magic.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Yeah I'm in the same boat. Have the itch but it's likely I'd have to deal with installers and I'm on Linux so it just sounds like a pain in the neck. Will probably do it whenever I get bored of New Vegas for the 200,000 hundredth time.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    A Touch of Cloth.

    What if we took a British-style police procedural and made it not just a comedy, but a full-blown parody/spoof. And also it was created by Charlie Brooker, of Black Mirror fame.

    Packed with wall-to-wall sight gags, terrible puns, and blink-and-you'll-miss-it jokes.

    There are three seasons, each two 45-minute episodes.

    Links (for those outside the US or EU): Season 1, Season 2, Season 3.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    The Protomen

    They were mentioned in a post on Lemmy. Decided to take a listen and they are amazing!

    They have a story spanning three albums: The Protomen, Act II: The Father of Death, and Act III: The City Made Us.

    Ayreon

    Found them browsing for new music and fell in love. The albums are all stories and wonderfully done.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    One of my favorite super hero movies to this day is the original kick ass. Beats the pants off any marvel movie by miles. Not exactly a flop but criminally underrated.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    It's interesting that Super with Rainn Wilson was developed pretty much in parallel considering how similar they are in concept. There are scenes in the office where Dwight is looking over paperwork, but in reality it's just Rainn reading the script of Super.

    Personally I found Kick-Ass to be a better overall film. Super had a lot of uncomfortable elements that just left a bad taste in my mouth.

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