Open source is hard to kill off forever. Someone, somewhere is gonna have the repo.
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Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn't be able to win in court.
All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).
So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.
However
Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.
So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.
Or move to i2p so they can't disable you lol.
pokemon cards alone accounts for billions in profit/revenue. they have plenty of money.
Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damage
Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?
From the article;
Nintendo's suit also claims Yuzu's Patreon page allows its developers to earn 30,000 a month by providing subscribers with "daily updates," "early access," and "special unreleased features" to games like Tears of the Kingdom by circumventing the protective measures Nintendo has in place to prevent piracy of video games.
I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?
Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.
Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.
Actually now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.
which is how they killed Ryujinx.
Plus sending goons to his house.
Allegedly.
You needed to acquire encryption keys for both Ryujinx and Yuzu.
Yuzu just requested money and put features behind a donator paywall
I thought Yuzu also didn't include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?
The emulator didn't, but I think they had one somewhere in their git history or website.
I forgot now, but I vaguely remember Nintendo pointing out a specific key that was found under the parent company's assets.
Could be wrong though, maybe they really did just get screwed over
Emulation isn't protected.
That was the use of emulators in advertising to show performance differences.
It does not protect emulation as the company went bankrupt before that could be decided.
Granted I’m not deep diving into sources, but
a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony's PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.
Unless I’m illiterate, isn’t that stating that even the sale of an emulator is protected?
No that's was the second lawsuit, Sony v Bleem!, which was a different emulator.
I never thought to emulate the switch until they killed the first emulator. Now I download the latest emu and roms nearly every month. Fuck Nintendo.
Meh, emulate it and get better frame rates and higher resolution.
Why would I buy a console that plays the game at an inferior state?
Nintendo is free at any time to release their games on Steam or even their own PC storefront and if I could play it with my hardware then I'd buy most games at full price.
Until then, nah I'm good.
Funny, here I am still using Yuzu
Still seeding it. Build: 4176
Stats:
Size: 936,5 MB
Upload: 37,6 GB
Rario Ratio: 41,117
:)
It's-a-me, Rario!
Legendary ratio.
Oh you're using the comma as a decimal point... Still pretty good.
fun fact, most of the globe uses comma, anglophone sphere and china are the few ones using period for it
I got so used to using periods that I had to specify that I was using period as a decimal seperator in math exercises because here where I live it is uses comma
I love when this shit happens and it's like oh, not the one I know about that literally has torrents bundling single games on pc to one click run the games lol
Eden's primary git repo is self-hosted. This doesn't affect them at all.
Nintendo's lawyers have reach beyond github. They only need to chat with your hosting company or nameserver.
There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don't give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.
In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.
Sure, but since the project itself is not illegal, they could just keep mirroring it and even throw it up on a .onion site or an I2P eepsite.
Do yo know which is the official website and repository? When I search different results popup and I don't know which is original.
I mean Nintendo could always lower games prices, add the features you get from emulators, and make the experience vastly superior on the console, then these emulators would be far less relevant.
No, I'm sure they will just keep killing better options and charging their consumers as much as humanly possible without having to innovate their products.
They actually have. Emulation on the Switch has save states, cheat codes, and ROM hacks. Sort of.
So to clarify, for those who don't know, first of all it's not free. Nintendo Switch Online is required to play most of the emulated games. A few are gated behind the premium Expansion Pack membership (which also gets you expansions for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart). So this is how you play N64 and Genesis. Anyway, the games are curated (you get what they give you), but some have a star or something which means it's basically a ROM hack with cheats. Like the one for Zelda II makes you level 8 in all three areas (sword, shield, magic IIRC). That's it. Another might start you on the last level. One might give you all the items in the game. And not all games have alternate modes.
So hey, they're kind of trying.
Agree on the rest though.
I forget if they have fast forward/speed up and turbo though.
They don't have RetroAchievements, more than 1 or 2 shaders, custom backgrounds, advanced key mapping, easy recording to OBS, permanent "ownership" of games and saves, the ability to use any USB or Bluetooth controller...I'm sure there's plenty more.
Don't get me wrong, I like NSO and I liked the Virtual Store(s)...but emulation on PC is still miles ahead of NSO and such.
Yeah, I'd say NSO is now on the level I'd expect from a company offering. Still doesn't compete with fan offerings, I.E. I can now play Windwaker on Switch 2, in a similar experience to original GameCube hardware, but on Dolphin I can play Windwaker with a widescreen code, in native 4K or higher, and using a fanmade texture pack like Hypatia's, and the game is gorgeous. I can additionally access top-quality content like the randomizer, or even archipelago, with all sorts of optional enhancements like the swift sail. Or I could even emulate the Wii U remaster.
But, it's meeting the level I expect from a paid team that has a few years targeting a mobile chipset, compared to decades of accumulated passionate fan effort. It's reasonable, unlike at release where the N64 emulation had swathes of issues not even present on Wii/Wii U Virtual Console, for example.
And it will still not improve the sales of the Switch 2.
I mean, wasn't switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?
I mean, wasn’t switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?
No, the fastest selling NINTENDO console (IIRC)
I think I was misremembering a few recent milestones actually. The Switch recently overtook DS to become Nintendo's best overall selling, while Switch 2 has already sold more than WiiU.
Selling more than the WiiU is a very low bar.
Isn't it selling well?
Honestly, it could hurt it sales a lot. Historically, a lot of successful Nintendo systems had backwards comparability as a major selling point.
I don't understand your point. How is blocking emus ruining the Switch 2's backward compatibility?
I'm saying that blocking backwards comparability can hurt sales, not the other way around. If the Switch 2 can run GBA or DS game, it'd be a huge selling point.
Oh ok, so not really relevant to the anti-emu topic—but I totally agree with your point. Imagine if they released an attachment that let you assemble the joycons and the screen in a vertical position for DS games? If they have the google thing for Virtual Boy, I don't see how they couldn't make this possible. In the meantime, I play GBA to 3DS games on my hacked 3DS.
I was considering a Switch 2 but now... not so much.
Sony v. connectix and Sony v. bleem both established that emulation is legal. Nintendo can fuck off.
It's crazy to watch a company burn a lifetime of good will in just a few years of chasing copyright litigation.
The NES required companies to have nintendo make the cartridges for them and approve of games before doing so. You can say it improved quality over other systems but its still heavy handed and shitty from day one.
I love the games and consoles over the years but fuck nintendo all the same. They are capitalist greedy pigs like every other big game company.
Honestly, that kind of makes sense given the era the NES came out in. There was a fair amount of unplayable shovelware for the Atari, so having some oversight was probably good marketing at the time.
The practice of going after emulators and trying to establish exclusive rights to game mechanics that they didn't actually invent is a bit further.
They're selling $80 games with no problems so it seems to be working out for them.
lifetime of good
Their propaganda brainwashed you too hard, eh?
Lifetime of goodwill I believe the quote is. The OP is right on that too. I don't know how old you are, but there's a certain generation that allocates Nintendo an exceptional personal worth and views them as an exceptional company, due to the long standing memories that are associated with their products. Mainly the NES/Super NES era, but they had a few waves. It's not really brainwashing, it's literally like 20 or so years of memories with products that were key during crucial moments of our lives. So yeah, it's a bit hard to reconcile that with the way they are acting in our modern age, honestly.
Old to recall they were a card grifting company.
I am aware nostalgia is one hell of a drug, but they’ve never had “goodwill.” Dunno if you're capable of reconciling goodtimes from a grift, but you better do so, and for your ill-associated fans.
I’ve hated them for far longer, and have given up hope you, and fans, will ever directly act upon this.
Starting a company is a grift! Selling hand made products is a grift!
Nintendo makes handmade products‽
Corporations are companies‽
Is your non-sequitur necessary‽
The page you posted said they started walking handmade cards in 1889, calling it a grift is laughable. And no need to be pedantic
I hate our timeline so much man...
At least on Android emulating your Steam library has become pretty good. A couple more years at this rate and any phone with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or better processor and you're good to play most games that would run on a Switch and more anyways
Switch emulation on PC is already great anyways. Getting there on Android. Sucks that progress has slowed down because of Nintendo takedowns
How do you emulate it? Need to root it?
Gamehub, GameNative, Winlator
Gamehub is the most streamlined. As long as you have a recent as of the last like 3 years flagship snapdragon phone, you can emulate PC games pretty well. No root. Uses FEX, WINE, DXVK, etc. Pretty much the same software used for playing windows games on desktop linux
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