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[–] 112 points 8 months ago (18 children)

Open source is hard to kill off forever. Someone, somewhere is gonna have the repo.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (17 children)

    Getting it off GitHub is usually enough to effectively kill it.

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    Self-hosted gits in a country that doesn't care are becoming popular.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (7 children)

    What makes you say that? Probably 95% of FOSS projects I see are still hosted on GH.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago

    I should clarify, self hosted Gits for projects that may fall under targeted harassment by corporations (Eaglercraft, Switch Emulators, etc...) are becoming popular.

    Ryujinx, operating out of Brazil, couldn't be taken to court by Nintendo. So a lot of projects that could have Nintendo's eye of sauron on them are looking for a safe country and self hosting as guaranteed insurance from a Yuzu situation.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Primary hosting, but they can always have a fallback for at-risk projects or even just use p2p. Of course that already increases the risk of a potentially hacked provider/repo or just fake/malware versions in the wild

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    They'll need to proactively clone it to a non-github repos before its shutdown.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    Doesn't matter if they clone it or not.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Why? Why is it harder to get it from codeberg or even self hosted forges?

    It's not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago*

    It's not harder to get it from there, it's harder to get contributors.

    It's not like most people find it by randomly browsing Github

    They absolutely do, that's why devs are always begging for "stars".

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    I personally got ahold of the final version of the source code to Ryujinx after it was pulled from GitHub and put it on archive.org and I'm literally a random nobody who had nothing to do with the project so you are very incorrect. It was almost immediately picked up by other developers and is still seeing development to this day

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  • [–] 165 points 8 months ago

    I've said it before and I'll say it again: Fuck Nintendo.

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (14 children)

    Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn't be able to win in court.

    All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).

    So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.

    However

    Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.

    So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.

    Or move to i2p so they can't disable you lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damage

    Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?

    IGN Article

    From the article;

    Nintendo's suit also claims Yuzu's Patreon page allows its developers to earn 30,000 a month by providing subscribers with "daily updates," "early access," and "special unreleased features" to games like Tears of the Kingdom by circumventing the protective measures Nintendo has in place to prevent piracy of video games.

    I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.

    Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.

    Actually now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I thought Yuzu also didn't include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    The emulator didn't, but I think they had one somewhere in their git history or website.

    I forgot now, but I vaguely remember Nintendo pointing out a specific key that was found under the parent company's assets.

    Could be wrong though, maybe they really did just get screwed over

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)
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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    That was the use of emulators in advertising to show performance differences.

    It does not protect emulation as the company went bankrupt before that could be decided.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Granted I’m not deep diving into sources, but

    a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony's PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.

    Unless I’m illiterate, isn’t that stating that even the sale of an emulator is protected?

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  • [–] 83 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I never thought to emulate the switch until they killed the first emulator. Now I download the latest emu and roms nearly every month. Fuck Nintendo.

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  • [–] 50 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Meh, emulate it and get better frame rates and higher resolution.

    Why would I buy a console that plays the game at an inferior state?

    Nintendo is free at any time to release their games on Steam or even their own PC storefront and if I could play it with my hardware then I'd buy most games at full price.

    Until then, nah I'm good.

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago (7 children)

    Funny, here I am still using Yuzu

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  • [–] 27 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (5 children)

    Still seeding it. Build: 4176

    Stats:
    Size: 936,5 MB
    Upload: 37,6 GB
    Rario Ratio: 41,117

    :)

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    Legendary ratio.

    Oh you're using the comma as a decimal point... Still pretty good.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago*

    fun fact, most of the globe uses comma, anglophone sphere and china are the few ones using period for it

    I got so used to using periods that I had to specify that I was using period as a decimal seperator in math exercises because here where I live it is uses comma

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  • [–] 44 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    Eden's primary git repo is self-hosted. This doesn't affect them at all.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Nintendo's lawyers have reach beyond github. They only need to chat with your hosting company or nameserver.

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  • [–] 20 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There are hosts and nameservers located in countries that don't give a fuck about companies like Nintendo.

    In fact, the recent backlash about everything being hosted in the US has started to make this even easier as companies in other countries are stepping in to grab market share as companies look to flee US hosting.

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  • [–] 32 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I mean Nintendo could always lower games prices, add the features you get from emulators, and make the experience vastly superior on the console, then these emulators would be far less relevant.

    No, I'm sure they will just keep killing better options and charging their consumers as much as humanly possible without having to innovate their products.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    They actually have. Emulation on the Switch has save states, cheat codes, and ROM hacks. Sort of.

    So to clarify, for those who don't know, first of all it's not free. Nintendo Switch Online is required to play most of the emulated games. A few are gated behind the premium Expansion Pack membership (which also gets you expansions for Animal Crossing and Mario Kart). So this is how you play N64 and Genesis. Anyway, the games are curated (you get what they give you), but some have a star or something which means it's basically a ROM hack with cheats. Like the one for Zelda II makes you level 8 in all three areas (sword, shield, magic IIRC). That's it. Another might start you on the last level. One might give you all the items in the game. And not all games have alternate modes.

    So hey, they're kind of trying.

    Agree on the rest though.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    I forget if they have fast forward/speed up and turbo though.

    They don't have RetroAchievements, more than 1 or 2 shaders, custom backgrounds, advanced key mapping, easy recording to OBS, permanent "ownership" of games and saves, the ability to use any USB or Bluetooth controller...I'm sure there's plenty more.

    Don't get me wrong, I like NSO and I liked the Virtual Store(s)...but emulation on PC is still miles ahead of NSO and such.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Yeah, I'd say NSO is now on the level I'd expect from a company offering. Still doesn't compete with fan offerings, I.E. I can now play Windwaker on Switch 2, in a similar experience to original GameCube hardware, but on Dolphin I can play Windwaker with a widescreen code, in native 4K or higher, and using a fanmade texture pack like Hypatia's, and the game is gorgeous. I can additionally access top-quality content like the randomizer, or even archipelago, with all sorts of optional enhancements like the swift sail. Or I could even emulate the Wii U remaster.

    But, it's meeting the level I expect from a paid team that has a few years targeting a mobile chipset, compared to decades of accumulated passionate fan effort. It's reasonable, unlike at release where the N64 emulation had swathes of issues not even present on Wii/Wii U Virtual Console, for example.

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  • [–] 54 points 8 months ago (12 children)

    And it will still not improve the sales of the Switch 2.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    I mean, wasn't switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I mean, wasn’t switch 2 the fastest selling console of all time?

    No, the fastest selling NINTENDO console (IIRC)

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    I think I was misremembering a few recent milestones actually. The Switch recently overtook DS to become Nintendo's best overall selling, while Switch 2 has already sold more than WiiU.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Selling more than the WiiU is a very low bar.

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)

    Honestly, it could hurt it sales a lot. Historically, a lot of successful Nintendo systems had backwards comparability as a major selling point.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I don't understand your point. How is blocking emus ruining the Switch 2's backward compatibility?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    I'm saying that blocking backwards comparability can hurt sales, not the other way around. If the Switch 2 can run GBA or DS game, it'd be a huge selling point.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Oh ok, so not really relevant to the anti-emu topic—but I totally agree with your point. Imagine if they released an attachment that let you assemble the joycons and the screen in a vertical position for DS games? If they have the google thing for Virtual Boy, I don't see how they couldn't make this possible. In the meantime, I play GBA to 3DS games on my hacked 3DS.

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  • [–] 13 points 8 months ago

    This won't fix your slumping sales Nintendo

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  • [–] 24 points 8 months ago

    It's a meaningless battle.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I was considering a Switch 2 but now... not so much.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Sony v. connectix and Sony v. bleem both established that emulation is legal. Nintendo can fuck off.

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  • [–] 21 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    It's crazy to watch a company burn a lifetime of good will in just a few years of chasing copyright litigation.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago* (1 child)

    The NES required companies to have nintendo make the cartridges for them and approve of games before doing so. You can say it improved quality over other systems but its still heavy handed and shitty from day one.

    I love the games and consoles over the years but fuck nintendo all the same. They are capitalist greedy pigs like every other big game company.

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago

    Honestly, that kind of makes sense given the era the NES came out in. There was a fair amount of unplayable shovelware for the Atari, so having some oversight was probably good marketing at the time.

    The practice of going after emulators and trying to establish exclusive rights to game mechanics that they didn't actually invent is a bit further.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Lifetime of goodwill I believe the quote is. The OP is right on that too. I don't know how old you are, but there's a certain generation that allocates Nintendo an exceptional personal worth and views them as an exceptional company, due to the long standing memories that are associated with their products. Mainly the NES/Super NES era, but they had a few waves. It's not really brainwashing, it's literally like 20 or so years of memories with products that were key during crucial moments of our lives. So yeah, it's a bit hard to reconcile that with the way they are acting in our modern age, honestly.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Old to recall they were a card grifting company.

    I am aware nostalgia is one hell of a drug, but they’ve never had “goodwill.” Dunno if you're capable of reconciling goodtimes from a grift, but you better do so, and for your ill-associated fans.

    I’ve hated them for far longer, and have given up hope you, and fans, will ever directly act upon this.

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  • [–] -1 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Starting a company is a grift! Selling hand made products is a grift!

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Nintendo makes handmade products‽
    Corporations are companies‽
    Is your non-sequitur necessary‽

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (1 child)

    The page you posted said they started walking handmade cards in 1889, calling it a grift is laughable. And no need to be pedantic

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I hate our timeline so much man...

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Fuck Nintendo. Don't buy their shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    At least on Android emulating your Steam library has become pretty good. A couple more years at this rate and any phone with a Snapdragon 8 Gen 2 or better processor and you're good to play most games that would run on a Switch and more anyways

    Switch emulation on PC is already great anyways. Getting there on Android. Sucks that progress has slowed down because of Nintendo takedowns

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (2 children)

    How do you emulate it? Need to root it?

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Gamehub, GameNative, Winlator

    Gamehub is the most streamlined. As long as you have a recent as of the last like 3 years flagship snapdragon phone, you can emulate PC games pretty well. No root. Uses FEX, WINE, DXVK, etc. Pretty much the same software used for playing windows games on desktop linux

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Good to know, will get them now

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