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Nintendo is trying to shut down almost all Switch Emulators, including Eden, Citron, Kenji-NX, and MeloNx (www.dsogaming.com)
submitted 8 months ago by to c/pcgaming@lemmy.ca
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[–] 44 points 8 months ago (14 children)

Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damages because they knew they wouldn't be able to win in court.

All of these forks have since removed the key and require the user to supply it (legally from your own console).

So in theory they should be protected under US law since emulation and reverse engineering is completely legal.

However

Nintendo also has infinite money to throw at the problem, and FOSS devs are usually not willing to deal with insane amount of personal liability because of a hobby, which is how they killed Ryujinx.

So you better hold onto your guts if you plan to fight Nintendo.

Or move to i2p so they can't disable you lol.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Nintendo succeeded in killing Yuzu because they had decryption keys which Nintendo could argue is breaking their copy protection, which is why they settled for 2.4 million dollars in sales damage

    Was not it also because they have their Patreons subscribers things such as early access to leaked games?

    IGN Article

    From the article;

    Nintendo's suit also claims Yuzu's Patreon page allows its developers to earn 30,000 a month by providing subscribers with "daily updates," "early access," and "special unreleased features" to games like Tears of the Kingdom by circumventing the protective measures Nintendo has in place to prevent piracy of video games.

    I despise Nintendo but if this claim was true, they were earning money with pirated content, right?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    Ah that might have been it then. As others pointed out, they never had the keys in the emulator itself.

    Dunno if Yuzu provided the game itself, or tools to extract the game successfully, but the main argument from Nintendo was still copy protection bypassing, which is illegal.

    Actually now that I think about it, I'm pretty sure they also nuked the Switch dumping tools from GitHub long before they killed Yuzu for the same reason. All it did was extract the firmware and console keys, but it was enough to force the tools to be rehosted.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    I thought Yuzu also didn't include the keys. They had instructions on how you could copy them from a device you owned. Or was that something different?

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)

    The emulator didn't, but I think they had one somewhere in their git history or website.

    I forgot now, but I vaguely remember Nintendo pointing out a specific key that was found under the parent company's assets.

    Could be wrong though, maybe they really did just get screwed over

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (5 children)

    Emulation isn't protected.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    That was the use of emulators in advertising to show performance differences.

    It does not protect emulation as the company went bankrupt before that could be decided.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Granted I’m not deep diving into sources, but

    a decision by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals which ruled that the copying of a copyrighted BIOS software during the development of an emulator software does not constitute copyright infringement, but is covered by fair use. The court also ruled that Sony's PlayStation trademark had not been tarnished by Connectix Corp.'s sale of its emulator software, the Virtual Game Station.

    Unless I’m illiterate, isn’t that stating that even the sale of an emulator is protected?

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