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[–] 75 points 8 months ago (5 children)

If you don't cinch it up too tightly, it's no more constricting than buttoning the top button on the shirt. Not that wearing one makes any sense, but it's not trying to kill you, either.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah, I rarely do the top button and rarely keep my tie tight. I've got it down to a science to where it looks right, but still loose, because I cannot stand stuff around my neck.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Oh great so it's only utterly pointless and uncomfortable.

    This is my privileged white guy battle that I will fight to my final day. Yes it is low stakes, but it is a battle someone needs to fight. I will never wear a tie, and I will view anyone who does as choosing to uphold one of the biggest systems of oppression I regularly deal with.

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  • [–] 38 points 8 months ago

    Don't tie it so tight 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 31 points 8 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    How tight are they tying them?!

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  • [–] [S] 43 points 8 months ago (11 children)

    Fuck the Man, ditch the tie!

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  • [–] 25 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    the only good thing about wearing a tie was the glorious fealing of pulling it down as you walked out the door at the end of the work day and unbuttoning that top collar button or two.

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  • [–] [S] 41 points 8 months ago (8 children)

    so THAT's the equivalent of me taking off my bra at the end of the day! Someone was asking this on Lemmy earlier.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago (6 children)

    lol. as I was writing the response I kinda wondered if women did that walking out the door. Was just asking my wife and she mentioned liking having the ones that open in front so she could free them up a bit when she got in the car. I have not had to wear ties in a long time and it has been awhile since she has worn real ones as she went jog to camesals now.

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I believe the word you’re looking for is “camisole.”

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    yeah my realtionship with spelling is kinda rough even with often used words.

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I realize now my comment could have come off as judgy. It wasn’t; just meant to be informative! I wouldn’t even call that an often-used word, so I thought it reasonable that you’d just never seen it written before!

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  • [–] 19 points 8 months ago

    This makes the business world and politicians make sense.

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  • [–] 18 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago)

    Just keep the last top button unbuttoned, and hide it with the knot.

    I never want to wear a tie, but it's not hard to keep it just loose enough where it's not outright uncomfortable.

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  • [–] 17 points 8 months ago

    Makes sense. Can't have blood flowing to the brain. That might result in independent thought, maybe even questioning management.

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  • [–] 15 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Hevent worn a tie for any reason other than a funeral in the last 20 years. I refuse. If I show up to work in a T-shirt with no holes I'm dressed up.

    Its funny being the only one at the senior staff meeting in an Iron Maiden T while everyone else is suit and tie. Good thing I'm good at what I do

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  • [–] 3 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Good for you, think about it, everyone shows up to work with a noose tied around their neck, slipknot and all. How is that not a vulnerability? Someone could grab the skinny end and choke you out. Police don't wear them, if they have to wear ties they use clip ons for just that reason.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    It wouldn't be as easy as it sounds.

    A properly tied full Windsor is awfully tight and takes a little wiggling to tighten up into the collar. Considering that the tail is generally put into the loop in the back of the tie, it would be hard to get to. Even if you did grab it, it's not likely going to cinch tighter by just dragging on it.

    Now that's not to say you couldn't still just grab the tie in the front, pull it around to the back, and choke the absolute shit out of someone! Using that logic though we also have to do away with scarves, purse straps, and necklaces below a certain "gage".

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I have seen videos of fights of people grabbing the small part of the tie and pulling on it, yeah it's not tailor made for choking but it does cinch up when you pull it. One such video a guy was doing that and the choked guy head butted him, took care of that problem.

    Still though, it's a vulnerability, and there is no legitimate reason to wear it. Now you want to talk about wearing chains, I would agree they are too, jewelry is a waste and vanity and often a vulnerability as far as I'm concerned, excepting wedding rings. Although one can argue it's a store of value you carry around in case you need to pay for something. Scarves are too that's right, as hankerchiefs are, but you aren't tying them around your neck they are just wrapped around.

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  • [–] 28 points 8 months ago (10 children)

    Decorative nooses have always been a weird thing IMO. Like "gee, id like a dangling piece of fabric that, if it gets caught on something, chokes me and may pull me face first into heavy machinery"

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  • [–] 9 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    I never understood why anyone would want to wear a tie. It’s a capitalist noose and at the same time also so unnecessarily dangerous.

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  • [–] 22 points 8 months ago

    Back in the day, people generally had fewer shirts and they were typically the same color, usually white. A tie was developed as a way to have a bit of varying color for a suit without needing as much fabric.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Because I never truly need to wear one and I like the patterns and style of the ties I own? What kind of question is this?

    People just like to accessorize. Not everything is that deep lol

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago

    I get your point, I use pocket squares to accessorize but to each their own. My mental association of ties revolves around IBM staff (and similar) being forced to wear ties for no reason other than “management decision”. For me the only thing I can think of when I see a tie is the leash of the wealthy class.

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  • [–] 0 points 8 months ago

    Feels like you could say the same about any clothing/jewellery other than the bare essentials, but maybe Lemmy is the wrong audience for fashion (fuck being forced to wear ties, obviously)

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (4 children)

    Do people not know how to buy a proper fitting shirt and not cinch a tie too tight?

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    Bro my neck cannot be contained 

    I'm partially joking but it is impossible to get a fitted shirt for me without basically getting it made from scratch

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Having grown up Mormon; this was obvious. I could always feel my brain being choked off but would get in trouble if the tie looked loose.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (3 children)

    My parents almost joined a Hindu cult while I was a kid. Thank goodness they found it and the people annoying so we never attended again. I have distant relatives in that cult and they're crazy people. They swap wives and do drugs and then say we're not pious and god fearing enough.

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  • [–] 11 points 8 months ago

    Remember all those bankers, lawyers, and managers wearing ties each and every day? Now you know why they act like they do.

    BTW, the tie not only reduces the oxygen supply to the brain, it also increases the risk of strokes by about 10%.

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  • [–] 10 points 8 months ago (13 children)

    Ties make no sense. It's literally a strip of cloth tied around your neck that serves no useful purpose at all. It's idiotic that they have managed to survive as a part of modern clothing.

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  • [–] 12 points 8 months ago (9 children)

    What? It's a piece of fashion: it doesn't need a "purpose". You want to wear monocolor onesie jumpsuits everywhere?

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago* (3 children)

    If someone wants to wear one of their own choice, that's fine. It shouldn't be mandated. The issue I have is that wearing a strip of cloth around your neck somehow makes you a "professional" in the eyes of others, and not wearing one means you are being "unprofessional".

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  • [–] 6 points 8 months ago (2 children)

    Look, if you are not wearing a giant arrow hung around you kneck that points at your dick, how are people going to know where you keep your dick?

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    I keep it in the same place everyone else in my country keeps it. In the White House.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    That dick doesn't work and we all know it. The party is running the show, he's running on autodick, falling asleep at televised meetings, making even less sense than normal, he can barely work up a good nazi rally now, they leave him alone with an avowed enemy of the party, like Mamdami or Petro of Colombia for a half hour and he's best friends forever with them, while his handlers facepalm.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (3 children)

    I'd argue fashion is a waste of human effort IMO.

    Make functional outfits and comfortable ones. Literally nothing else. "Formal" should not even be a word at all, much less a genre of clothing.

    Designers making wearable art pieces is kinda silly, but it gets by with being art, but that's as far as I'll allow the line.

    Saving a useless accessory that's been mandated for certain jobs/purposes is actually obscene to me. It being "fashion" is no help, and given that it's the only reason it exists, it should be fucking deleted from our awareness.

    Fight me.

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  • [–] 8 points 8 months ago

    Every boy dressed in their Sunday best can verify that.

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  • [–] 14 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    Growing up in the Mormon Church, I remember a time some asshole just unilaterally decided to redo my tie in a harsh knot that was too tight. Didn't ask if it was okay, just went right ahead and decided my own safe, loose knot wasn't good enough or something.

    Just having a complete flashback to that because of this article. Obsession over minute details is just laughably silly when it leads to health problems.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    Neckties belong in business, but not all business. I threw a big stink when I worked at Kohls. Women could wear polos, slacks, etc. Men had to wear dress shirts and ties, slacks or dress pants. It's retail, ties can get caught on a lot of shit (registers, conveyors, doors, etc). Took a year but the Regional manager finally saw the light and later it became corporate policy. Women also couldn't wear necklaces for the same reason.

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  • [–] 7 points 8 months ago

    And now let's take a look at everyone at Wallstreet, it's all ties and red faces. Probably way more than 7,5% lol

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  • [–] 16 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    What an idiotic article (and website in general, looks Buzzfeed-tier). From its linked source:

    Negative cerebrovascular effects can be expected by compressing jugular veins and carotids

    No shit.

    by a necktie.

    Nobody is wearing a tie that tightly, and even if it is deliberately made that tight when you put it on, it's not like a noose, it'll loosen on its own almost immediately as you start moving around. There are no springs in a tie maintaining the tension.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago

    Shirt collars don't move the way necks do, so it really depends on posture and movement, I'd say my posture was about the best in my day when I was standing in front of a mirror putting the tie on and judging my appearance, and then 20 minutes later I'd be sitting at my desk hunched forward and it would be a lot less comfortable, so I could see it.

    Also I remember from hours and hours of starting at old men's necks in church how their flesh would spill out the backs and sides of their collars while they sat there listening to the preacher.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    Highly doubt this for some reason.

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  • [–] 5 points 8 months ago

    1 tentie is 75%

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    If you tie it that tight you'll feel the blood pounding in your head and feel like you are suffocating. I can't imagine someone making it that tight and not immediately loosening it.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago*

    puts on tie and pulls the knot so tight it cuts off air to my lungs

    "tImE tO Go tO wOrK"

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    Is the merging of words in multiple places in that article due to how my browser is rendering it, or are the spaces actually missing? A copy+paste suggests the latter. It's almost as bad as leaving out the Oxford comma.

    cantransmit whenpeoplehave

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    It is supposed to be a tie, not a hangman's noose.

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  • [–] 2 points 8 months ago

    red ties agree

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  • [–] -3 points 8 months ago

    Plus it makes you look like a fucking douchebag tool. Fuck a tie.

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  • [–] -4 points 8 months ago (5 children)

    Neck ties are over. They used to be central to mens' fashion. Now if you wear one it's because you have to, which denotes low status. Like, the worst is chinos, a cheap shirt and tie, with a windbreaker instead of a blazer. Also: black sneakers. For some crazy reason, it's actually higher status to wear designer sweats around.

    The look for business is slacks, a good pressed shirt, a fitted blazer with no shoulder pads, and NO TIE. Top neck button undone. It's also more comfortable. Even top execs are dressing like this. Ties are only necessary in the most formal occasions.

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  • [–] 4 points 8 months ago (1 child)

    There are still many companies in many industries that remain business formal all the way to the tippy top. I'm sure this is changing in some sectors, even highly visible ones (like tech and finance) that may lead business fashion in that direction over time. But it isn't universal.

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