I hope what really gets people to pay attention is how the FBI said they searched that news ladies' moms' ring camera footage even though she didn't have an active subscription.
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the problem with these fucking things is that you can't really opt out. even if you don't buy your own, some neighbours will happily buy and install the big brother to watch you from their porch and there is very little you can do about it.
same as you can't really escape the google, even if you don't use single one of their service, there is always the other part to any communication you are having...
Exactly. I never used Gemini or gave sensitive information/photos to major AI companies, but my family has, including photos of me.
I've never had a Facebook account. I've always hated when people posted pictures I was in and said who I was.
Maybe we all need to start wearing clothes with bright infrared leds lining them?
IR LEDs don't work on these like with some CCTV cameras, right?
At close range they'll blind them, but the tech is getting better these days.
What knocks out the camera is the auto exposure, they used to just take the whole sensors input, average it and set the brightness against that value. A lot of the newer surveillance cameras will just ignore the overall and compensate pixel per pixel.
Project farm looked at a bunch
In Belgium, it is legally required to put a sign up if you have cameras, you can't point them at a place including public properties IIRC, and you can force them via the local government to move the camera if they are pointing at your property (at least in theory).
Lasers. Blue lasers are what you can do. https://www.reddit.com/r/Ring/comments/wqxkdq/what_is_this_person_doing_to_my_camera/ (hate to link to reddit but it is a good demo)
it is similar here in czechia, at least in theory, but the theory will always differ from real life.
you first have to know there is a camera to identify the problem, then if you are in doubt... i don't know, sue them to prove that camera does not capture your property?
it would take few years, because the justice system here works on geological scales. and before you would get any reasonable result, billion other cameras would pop up meantime.
And DEAUTH attacks. Because they're all dumb wifi cameras. You can keep them jammed and destroy them while they can't upload footage.
Where I live, you can sue if the camera films more than their own property.
Most of them you can disable with DEAUTHs. Wifi cameras are a stupid concept.
Break it. Do crime. Do it.
break it and be recorded on their camera breaking it. that will end well.
You can’t put a mask on and cover your distinguishing features? Weak
Tell me without telling me that you've never needed the police to do anything useful.
Are you kidding? Police LOVE investigating petty vandalism. Almost as much as DAs love prosecuting them! Top priority. Clearance rates are very high. You may have to call them 2 or three times before sleepy fat ass deputy (who is too stupid to do anything else) will come and take down half a report but trust me, they really do care, and will stop at nothing to achieve justice for your spy gadget.
Half the prison population in US are people who drew swastikas on Teslas.
Fear not! Your doorbell will be avenged!
DEAUTH for a couple days and shoot the lens with a laser. They'll never figure it out.
"They aren't just tracking lost dogs, they're tracking you and your neighbors,"
Uh, yeah. You didn't get the news about them sharing with ICE?
I think the majority of people don't even have tech conversations with their friends and coworkers, they just talk about sports or gambling or whatever else normal people do.
Talking trivia instead of consequential stuff...
During Superbowl I was talking with a software guy working for a big shopping ( data) company, he was telling us how every interaction on their website is recorded for data analysis, and his own wife was shocked. It came up after I prompted for that conversation, talking about the license plate tracking in parking lots (which she didn't know about).
If your stupid gadget needs a separate proprietary app that demands internet access, anticipate that all data is shared for all kinds of shady business.
Not always the case. Some cameras require a proprietary app for set up but can then be set to stream to a local server. Internet access can then be completely blocked with router settings.
Still, would you really want that? A half-baked device in your network, a device you suspect would constantly betray you, if given the chance?
I personally can't imagine getting used to that. I'd despise the device (and myself probably).
It's pretty trivial to block devices from accessing the Internet.
For those that know what they’re doing, and those that know what they’re doing don’t buy ring to begin with.
some of those that know what they're doing, do it through pihole. But a DNS sink is really not enough. Even blacklisting the MAC might not be enough. If it requires a key from a server it might even be necessary to hack the device if it's not a SoC and you can't defile or use M-x Butterflies
So, what security cameras would you use or are you just back seat driving without a good suggestion?
The latest Raspberry Pi cameras have decent sensors, variants with night vision are available. Axis makes reliable, network attached cameras.
Open-source software like Frigate or ZoneMinder exists.
I have absolutely no problem using these kinds of devices.
I have an old phone and a generic Play account that I used for setup so the companies have nothing of consequence but my public IP address. Setup takes less than 15 minutes and after that all Internet access is completely blocked just like it would be if I unplugged my cable modem. There is no way for the cameras to override my router settings.
My smart TV is much more of a concern.
My personal choice for security stuff is ubiquiti, but I'm sure someone here can find a super cheap doorbell camera that saves to an SD card and accomplishes the same thing.
I'm really glad people didn't just fall over for this ad, and connected the dots on what Amazon is doing
Reolink doorbell cameras don’t need to be connected to the cloud. They can record to an SD card or upload to an FTP server. You can connect to them with RTSP and run your own NVR if you want too.
+1 for Reolink. I have those and UniFi cameras tied to my UniFi system.
I have a few Amcrest cameras and they're pretty decent as well. Outdoor rated, PoE, 4k, UV LEDs, they have PTZ variants too and offer standard RTSP streams without any kind of vendor software hassle.
Running a local NVR with some image segmentation and classification models is goodbut also consider adding a bit of Kismet and SDR trickery. Having a bit more awareness is always useful and the radio spectrum is increasingly full of useful information that can be relevant to home security.
Most people are also radio beacons of some form or another due to their tech/car/flipper zero and being able to detect things like modern cars, people wearing bluetooth earbuds, wifi deauthentication attacks or new radio sources which could indicate some kind of hostile surveillance or tracking... those are all useful and relatively simple things to monitor. With a bit more money you could make some good estimates about the location and relative motion of these sources.
You could also add some cheap SDRs and listen to your local county's dispatch trunking system. This is perfectly legal, it's all broadcast in the clear. CB users and scanner owners used to do this but it became harder once they switched to trunking systems because you required some kind of processor to navigate the trunking protocol. Now you can do the same thing with 2 cheap RTL-SDRs and some open source software: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g9KJrtIO8_4 Language models reading transcripts of these could alert you to any major events near you, like a traffic accident (or active shooting, USA! USA! USA!).
Obviously this is a bit more involved than 'Press buy button on Amazon, login to camera, glue to wall.', but the end product that you can create is better than anything that you can buy as a commercial product.
The audio system in my car is broken. I use my SDR to stream the radio to my phone and play it on a Bluetooth speaker. Overkill? Yes. Learning experience? Yes.
I had a similar experience, playing with a spectrum analyzer connected to the SDR and the first signals that I 'found' were the WFM broadcasts and celebrated by listening to the radio for a few hours.
In hindsight, I didn't realize how much the antenna size and just happened to have the right length antenna to get good WFM coverage.
Hmm yes, I understand some of these acronyms. /s
SD - Secure Digital (memory card you’d use for most things)
FTP - File Transfer Protocol (a way to upload files to a server)
RTSP - Real Time Streaming Protocol (a way to stream video)
NVR - Network Video Recorder (a device that records video)
They've backed off this and ended the partnership, claim Flock never got any footage, which I think is a total lie.
They'll re-partner when the heat is off, or just do it silently, Amazon shouldn't be trusted. Explain why to your friends and neighbors.
Where did you hear they ended the partnership? (Even if you supply a source, I probably won't believe it.)
Edit: nm. found it. https://www.engadget.com/home/ring-calls-off-partnership-with-police-surveillance-provider-flock-safety-031717605.html
This isn't referring to the flock thing, they put out a commercial in the Superbowl about creating a cam-network to help find lost pets.
I honestly didn't know what they were thinking with that commercial. Why would you proudly advertise that you've built a massive surveillance network, during one of the most-watched yearly televised events too for that matter? Did they seriously believe that there wouldn't be a major backlash? I mean I appreciate the blunt honesty in that commercial so I'll give them credit for that.
I honestly didn't know what they were thinking with that commercial. Why would you proudly advertise that you've built a massive surveillance network
Presumably because most end users are in deep with the "if you do nothing wrong, you have nothing to worry about" crowd ... and besides it can find a lost dog /s.
They brought these sorts of intrusive cameras in the first place so privacy was not top of mind, or even in 2nd or 3rd place.
Tbh I think the people at the top still haven't caught up with the rapid changing sentiments among the population. My zero-tech-savy retired mother in-law was talking to me about Palantir the other day.
My guess is that since Ring has a history of well-known collaborations with police and ICE, they wanted to re-frame their evil surveillance network as a way to save a puppy. Instead, lots of uninformed normies suddenly realized what those cameras are capable of, and had a huge negative reaction given the state of things.
Because in 3 weeks most people will forget about it. It's brazen. They'll still be the biggest doorbell company in America
They product does exactly what their customers want. Just the latter had not realised the implications for their own privacy, before the commercial, apparently.
People are really fucking stupid to buy their products in the forst place. So that's what they were thinking and they were right.
Because the most evil people on the planet are universally convinced that they're heroes.
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