I'm pretty sure that's a reference to the midterm elections in November 2026

Social media post from Senator Chris Murphy: Pam Bondi just sent a letter to Minnesota officials saying ICE will leave if the state turns over its voter database to Trump. Guess what? This has never been about safety or immigration. It's a pretext for Trump to take over elections in swing states

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[–] 159 points 9 months ago (19 children)

I've just read the letter. Please, let's not spread misinformation, things are bad enough as is.

The letter demanded the voter database, among a couple of other sensitive databases. It never said ICE would leave if they comply. It only promised that peace would return to the streets, whatever the hell that means. I highly doubt they mean withdrawing ICE, especially considering they keep painting them as completely peaceful, and considering they demand a shit ton of cooperation in that letter as well, essentially letting ICE in everywhere. So in fact, it's almost the opposite - they demanded that and also demanded more access for ICE.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    Thank you for cutting through the rhetoric and making sure things are clear. I would also like to add that there are no parts in the letter saying that ICE will change their operation tactics and procedurdes (e.g. executions).

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago

    I really appreciate it when people want to set the record straight like this, and you're right, the truth is probably worse than this post. But it's not as sensational so people will gravitate to the bullshit tweet instead. Which is the same phenomenon which gave us trump to begin with. 🤦‍♂️

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You’re right. I’d bet what they mean to say is that peace would return to the streets because they’d get rid of all dissenters.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I think ots a fumbled / heavy handed attempt to portray Waltz as promoting violence.

    In the same way that Ukraine could and the Russia conflict by capitulating.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    They still want to fuck with voting though, which is the gist of the post.

    Walz should get a chat box to make up a random list of imaginary voters, print it on a few reams of paper at 5pt type and see if they really leave.

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  • [–] [S] 14 points 9 months ago (12 children)

    Thank you for the clarification and suggestion, but this does not constitute misinformation, as I see it. The Orange Turd's camp are characteristically incoherent. You interpret Bondi's incoherence in a different but valid way. What they are communicating they will do if given the voter database is less important than their interest in forcibly obtaining the voter and other databases - and the linkage of this interest with ICE's presence in MN. Please let me know if I'm off the mark here; if this is misinformation and should be removed

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    I would agree with you. Having an active hand in the next voting process sounds like an easy way to disrupt an election. Not a guarantee, but possible. I think people here should be able to think for themselves a little bit.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (10 children)

    I definitely think your post is misinformation. What the commenter told you is quite different from what you reposted. Bondi made demands but no promises. It's probably actually worse than what you posted, but accuracy matters.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Thank you for your comment. I think your standard of accuracy for defining "misinformation" in this context (lemmy.ca/boycottus) is too high and would discourage people from posting or participating in this community. If I saw more comments or votes in support of your position, I'd delete the post

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (8 children)

    ...you could easily point out the actual truth in the post body. And my position is relatively popular if you look at the thread.

    68 upvotes on the original comment calling this out, alone.

    Also what is this idea that facts matter less in specific communities?

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    …you could easily point out the actual truth in the post body.

    Please draft this

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Alright dude I just reported the post since you are incorrigible.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    What??? incorrigible? I extended a good-willed offer for you to supply the change that you were requesting, and in response you report me to the moderators?

    (Edit: You've wasted a good amount of mine - and now the mods' - time I'm using the block button for what it's for)

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I gave you a chance to fix it and your response was for me to do it. Whatever dude.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    You didn't "give them a chance", you practically demanded it. If you're not willing to do yourself what you demand of someone else, then you shouldn't demand it.

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  • [–] 74 points 9 months ago

    Of course it's not about immigration. If it were about immigration, they'd be in Texas and Florida. You know, states with large numbers of immigrants. Minnesota has a tiny fraction of the number of immigrants as those states, and it's physically large. Very inefficient use of person-power for actually doing their stated job.

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  • [–] 109 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I hope there's a world where thos matters and they all eat shit and face consequences.

    Like, this should be cut and dry.

    Oh, and also Trump's latest comments on tariffs on Canada follow the same pattern, first it was"fentenyl", now they've dropped the veneer forgetting that national security arguments were the only argument they had to justify things.

    To me that says they're either wildly overconfident or know they've got the supreme court by the balls.

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  • [–] [S] 69 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That's dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.

    Mainstream traditional and social media have devolved to simply publishing verbatim what the fascists say without offering any kind of context or evaluation of, say, the truthfulness of the statement-now-headline.

    I agree with you all around otherwise. I just don't think this behaviour rests on overconfidence or an appraisal of riskiness via the SC. I think it's psychologically must deeper, and recognizing this will help us deal with them better

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    I think fascists see violating boundaries, hypocrisy, and telling lies as signs of power - ie, things to aspire to in their twisted minds. That's dangerous, and not how non-fascists think.

    But it nicely fits an adjacent conservative mindset: "We need laws to keep bad guys (others) from doing bad things, not to prevent good guys (us) from doing good things."

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    It's not that they view them as arbitrary signs of power to aspire to, it's that those things really do work well to manipulate others into doing what you want. Detaching a victim from reality - making them instead blindly believe what you say - turns them into a very useful tool. Usually people have a conscious and don't want to manipulate others to get ahead, but there will always be some who simply don't care, and they end up being the ones to amass more power and influence than their peers as a result.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    I think it's even more than just they see them as signs of power. I think continuously ramping things up is power. If the last thing wasn't enough to stop them, what's one more step? This continues ad infinitum. They keep ratcheting up, and there's nothing to bring it back down.

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  • [–] 53 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Minnesota ain't no fucking swing state. We've voted Blue in the presidential election longer than any other state.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You're right, but Trump thinks he won it in all 3 of his elections. He thinks it would have "swung" toward him if it weren't for the Democrats letting "illegals" vote. I can almost guarantee you that's part of why he is targeting Minnesota.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Well I'm sure he's asking for this documentation in good faith. It's not like he's famously asked for paperwork, received it while literally everyone was watching, and then denied its authenticity. /s

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  • Oh absolutely fellow patriot. There's also no way that they're on a fishing expedition for exactly where to deploy their Secret PoliceBrave Federal Law Enforcement to maximize impact on Democratic turnout in the upcoming midterms. That would be silly.

    As we all know it's Democrats, not Republicans that commit all of the Electoral Fraud so of course it only makes sense to deploy troops to areas with a lot of Democrats registered... To prevent the fraud, you see. Gotta protect the integrity* of our elections after all. /s xD

    *Republican Majority

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  • [–] 37 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I wonder what the "States Rights" crowd has to say about this...

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  • [–] [S] 20 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Same thing as the 2A crowd: crickets

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  • [–] 70 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    State should send along the voter rolls.

    Printed on paper and with first names, last initial, the ward/district they live in and no party affiliation and a few randomly generated code numbers to just fuck things up in the database.. or better yet, send the paper lists with the names redacted with sharpie markers, and leave the party affiliations. use old school printouts that are photocopied (and send those) so no one can hold the paper up to the light to see what's under the redactions..

    Deflect and use Trump's own words about the Epsteinn files to justify "..following in President Trump's bold leadership style.."

    Time to out Trump the decrepit old fucker.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago

    Dictionary definition of terrorism:

    (Noun) the unlawful use of violence or threats to intimidate or coerce a civilian population or government, with the goal of furthering political, social, or ideological objectives.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Swing state?

    Minnesota hasn't went for a Republican presidential candidate since 1972.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (19 children)

    Sorry for the dumb (not Form the US) question: Which information is in a voter database?

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (11 children)

    Name, address, party affiliation, prolly some more identifying information.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Wtf? Why is this stuff even collected? Aren't elections supposed to be anonymous?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Most countries have some form of electoral roll to prevent fraud. The 'party affiliation' section is a US disease though.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    For real, especially in States with closed primaries. In my state you can only vote in a party primary if you're registered to vote as a member of that party. If I could participate in Democratic primaries without being a Democrat I'd still be unaffiliated.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But wouldn't it be better to go vote in the Republican primaries? Then you can help influence whether they put in the merely horrible person instead of the actively evil one.

    In fact this seems such an obvious loophole that I'm not sure why this isn't done already? Especially since primaries have such low turnout that it would be much easier to influence.

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  • It depends on where you are. Like where I am Republicans don't win statewide. It might be somewhat effective if you're organized with others in a closer state? But as an individual, no you're going to get more mileage out of voting in the primaries of the party closer to you in political views.

    Like if I'm closer to Bernie, then what good does it do for me to sabotage the Republican primary if me not voting in the Democratic primary leads to Hillary beating Bernie in the Democratic primary and now it's a Republican I didn't want vs a Democrat I didn't want?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    No, a lot of information about elections is actually public. Who you vote for is very secret, but your name, address, and the fact that you did or did not vote is often either public or available on request. This is important because if it was just a totally secret thing, there's not much stopping a corrupt election official from dumping as many fake ballots into the total as they like or filling out ballots for people that didn't show up.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    not much stopping a corrupt election official

    In my country, the election officials are thoroughly watched and from various parties to ensure they keep each other in check. It would be near impossible to sneak in extra ballots (at least, a significant amount of ballots that would actually make a difference). There is a voter register but everyone is on that list, you don't need to register to vote.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Names and party affiliation. Possibly addresses as well. At least tells them whom to purge, at worst tells them where to find them.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    This is very alien to me, also not from the US. What is party affiliation? And voter registration?

    Like in my country, there is a "vote-registry", which is basically only relevant if you move out or back into the country. It is a "should the government include you to be able to cast a vote" , which is associated with your ordinary government registrerd address. All party "affiliations", or they are memberships here, are handled by the parties themselves.

    Is party affiliation like memberships but centrally registred with the government? Is voting registration not something which is default, but something you have to... Apply for? How is the party affiliation and voter registration linked? You have to include who you intend to vote for?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Some (but not all) states record party preference (i.e., Democrat or Republican), if provided. You do have to specifically register to vote.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why do they do that? What is the original reason for it? To people from other democratic countries this sounds very strange.

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  • A lot of States have what's called "Closed Primaries" where they only let people that have registered with their party vote for who will be on the ballot. Ostensibly they do this so say Republicans can't mass join a Democrat primary and skew results by voting for a candidate with no motion that the Republican will easily beat in the general and vice versa.

    In reality it's mostly a tool for party outreach and fundraising. If the Democrats know that 100 Democrats live in this neighborhood and they're like medium propensity voters they might send some volunteers to knock doors in that neighborhood, for example.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Wtf is there a voter database?

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    voter registry

    i.e name, address, party affiliations, etc..., and whether or not they voted (but the vote itself are secret)

    You need to be on the list to vote in elections. You get assigned the closest polling place, then you show up, they ask for you name, and they go through the book thing with a list of voters assgined to that polling place, they find your name then check it of before getting someone to set up the voting machine thing for you. For Pennsylvania, they ask for ID for the first time, they mail you a voter registry card which can be used for as that ID. Next time you don't need an ID, the just ask you for a signature on the voter roll.

    If you name isn't on the voter roll at the polling station for some reason (like a mistake they made), you can ask for a privisional ballot then they sort it out later. If you were supposed to be on there, then they count the vote, otherwise its discarded.

    So once they have this list, they can just go down the list of democrats and raid every house

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    They want the voter rolls to have a list of self-identified enemies voters.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    These guys seriously think they are every winning an election Minnesota again? I guess they are betting that they can finish off democracy in it's entirety in the next three years

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    They are running this country like a pawn shop.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Weird ass thing to do.

    Minnesota has paper backed electronic voting.

    There's not a lot he can manipulate with that.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    He knows which neighborhoods to bomb.

    He knows which houses to send the secret police to to beat, threaten, or murder.

    He knows which people to force private companies to bankrupt to put them into poverty.

    There is a ton that he can do with that information.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    In case this hasn't hit home for anyone yet.

    The United States has a fascist government currently attempting to end our democracy.

    That is happening. Now. Here.

    And every conservative you know is onboard with it because they voted for it and haven't spoken out against it.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Hand them the republican ones.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Why are they even asking; can’t “big balls” just lift them?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    excuse for 'insurrection act' miller's final solution to send military against the unbelievers. cancel election and install the 4th Reich. bomb berlin. already half torn down for ballroom since january 6 tried to burn the Reichstag;;

    someone reads wwii novels and admires nazis. suicidal tendencies. pedo capital is mar-largo

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Why the hell is this written in the cadence of a fucking Q drop?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    thanks for the cadence compliment. wth is a qdrop. was listening to music okay

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It wasn't a compliment...

    "Q drops" were 8chan posts made by "Qanon" an alleged mole in the US government which was the source of the Qanon conspiracy theory, which purported that the Democratic Party was a involved in a giant anti-Semitic conspiracy to kidnap children and harvest their blood via torture.

    Qdrops have the same staccato, fragmented cadence of vaguely related ideas, that you posted.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    oh yeah. brain damage. if that helps. i know some bible verses. never read that crap. profile is public

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Agreed…it def was ulterior motives from get.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Why? Is he worried about the midterms?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    No way this administration will EVER withdraw ICE from an area of active occupation. Nat’l guard is literally the last resort here before the cartridge box; and the dem governors won’t actually pull the ‘trigger’ on it because they’re not ACTUALLY opposed to fascism, just paid to pretend they are

    (My admittedly very cynical take)

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    National Guard is not the last resort. As it can be federalized, it's not even the best option here.

    Several states have State Guards that answer only to the governor. The State Guard is usually little more than a legal framework rather than an operational militia, but that framework could be filled in pretty damn quick: Disband the National Guard units and offer the guardsmen transfers to the State Guard.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    No way this administration will EVER withdraw ICE from an area of active occupation.

    They already have from multiple cities. They've been focusing on one city at at time, trying to drive up the pressure and chaos by focusing their presence in one area.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Oddly, the right wing wont complain about this.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Terrible take this is an ethnic cleansing racist program if it can be used for other agendas of course the current government won't hesitate to do so but that doesn't change the goal or its effects.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Guess what?

    Really hate this kind of annoying online guy

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    If true she offered that, she would dishonor it after the material was surrendered.

    And obviously they would use it to fix the elections in the state so they never lose. We have to consider most red states are already fixed and we may never be able to win them again regardless of the votes. Are there enough non fixed states dems could win? Idk, not enough with the fucking useless cunt the dem party is going to force though I can tell you that. Newsom had his chance in 2024 and declined, it's too late now because he's a follower, not a leader.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Fuck this scumbag too. He's overtly conflating "safety" and "immigration". It's just more fascist bullshit from a slimy politician.

    This is not the way.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    MAGA cannot be considered human beings. They won't leave the state if you bow to their corruption and give them voter rolls. They will just ask for something else.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Dehumanizing dangerous idiots and even down right evil selfish people is still wrong even if they are a dehumanizing cult faction. And it still ends in a net negative for humanity. That does not mean there is not justified consequences for people that cause harm.

    Many of the MAGA people I've talked to irl are really really dumb and gullible in general, if it's not MAGA it would be something else. People in power are using that as an attack vector to gain power.

    Fascism has always been a movement of near slighted weaponized stupidity

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