Porkbun is pretty solid
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Cloudflare has been excellent for me since I switched away from (puke) GoDaddy years ago. They don't try to upsell you bullshit like most of the other places, either. I have three domains with them.
I do not use any other Cloudflare services. There are no additional costs or services required (beyond the domain fees) to use them as your registrar.
I don’t have a big problem with CloudFlare (and use their service myself for some things). But so much of the internet infrastructure is already consolidated with them. There are so many good options for domain registrars. Let’s spread things around a bit.
As far as I know, you can not change the authoritative name server for domains registered with cloudflare (probably not a big issue for most people)
Looks like they allow it, but only if you're an enterprise customer.
https://developers.cloudflare.com/dns/zone-setups/zone-transfers/cloudflare-as-secondary/
I've got a few domains. I use Porkbun as registrar. They're awesome, and the domains were pretty cheap. Under $10 a year each.
I've been on Namecheap for years.
The "hard no" list is GoDaddy, Network Solutions, and anything owned by EIG. They are literally the worst. Probably Ionos (formerly 1&1) too.
Namecheap is going downhills recently.... They were sold to a private equity on September, .com starts at $18.
I recommend transfering to Cloudfare, since they have guaranteed wholesale price (no added fees, and only what the tld owner and ICANN asks), so they should be cheapest (since anything less is selling at a loss for the registrar, at least ifI understand right).
Namecheap has started overcharging me like 20+$ on a renewal compared to CF. So, transfering after a first year (which is where registrars like Namecheap take a loss and give you a discount) is probably the cheapest way how to go about it.
Acronyms, initialisms, abbreviations, contractions, and other phrases which expand to something larger, that I've seen in this thread:
| Fewer Letters | More Letters |
|---|---|
| CF | CloudFlare |
| DNS | Domain Name Service/System |
| IP | Internet Protocol |
| NAT | Network Address Translation |
| VPS | Virtual Private Server (opposed to shared hosting) |
5 acronyms in this thread; the most compressed thread commented on today has 8 acronyms.
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My name registration with porkbun is cheap enough that I don't remember exactly. Had no issues with them.
I Just transfered over to porkbun after namecheap decided to raise renewal cost again, wish id done it sooner.
A .com domain should be under USD $12 a year with WHOIS privacy included. If someone is charging more than that, they are ripping you off. Most web or VPS hosts will charge a significant markup if they sell domains. Make sure you check the renewal price too. Some registrars will give you the first year cheap, then charge significantly more to renew it.
Cloudflare is the cheapest, but they force you to use their DNS servers. Porkbun is a dollar more, but you can use your own DNS if you want to.
I have my domain with Cloudflare too, and at this point, I’m not aware of these DNS servers. Can someone explain it a bit? I know what DNS is, but I don’t understand what’s the use case for having them elsewhere. I’m not to argue, just didn’t know where to register a domain, so I went with them. I’m concerned with the future of the domain either, but don’t understand the issues at this early point.
The DNS authoratative servers are what hold all of the records for your domain. With Cloudflare, you are stuck with theirs. As for why you want to use a different one, maybe you need more than the 200 records Cloudflare limits you to. Maybe you don't like the way their API works for automating updates. Maybe you don't want to set up all of your records all over again if you transfer your domain to another registrar. Maybe you just don't like Cloudflare.
Thanks! It’s a bit more clear now.
To contribute to the discussion, I remembered that with Squarespace (my previous registrar), I had unlimited redirects, which I used heavily. I am not really sure about the unlimited part, perhaps that was hidden somewhere in the interface, and they have limits, and I just never saw them. But I remember Cloudflare communicated I have like 10, so I decided to not use it for nice-to-have but not really needed things. E.g. I used a subdomain for a blog, and created redirects for typical misprints in my name. Was handy, but not really needed. I should have document this, but I was too busy at the time, and now, almost a year later, I don’t really remember. There were differences with Cloudflare and Squarespace.
Here is a somewhat simplified explanation
When you are registering a domain you are essentially just creating a NS record:
mydomain.com NS
Then when a resolver is asked a question like what is the A record for myserver.com it goes and asks the tld server (.com) what is the NS record for mydomain.com. the tld then responds with the nameserver ip. Then the resolver will query the nameserver directly for the A record of mydomain.com
In practice there is a ton of caching going on here, but that's the broad strokes
I generally get stuff from porkbun.com since I've been there for a while, prices are decent and they have some convenient features. But, I should try namecrane.com since they are run by online buddies of mine. They are sort of a spin-off of the original buyvm.net.
Price comparator: https://tld-list.com/
Yes they separate out renewal prices so make sure to take that into consideration. The high renewal prices are a marketing trick of the TLD holders. The resellers can't really do anything about them.
Find the best prices for domain names here, from registration to renewal an transfer: https://tld-list.com/
Privacy should be free and by default.
I have two domains through Cloudflare. They don't mark up to price at all, so they're basically the lowest price you'll find that isn't a gimmick.
I pay $6.50 for one and $10.46 for the other. Privacy is free and by default.
No harm in getting your domain from them. Just beware that when you create a DNS entry, they default to proxying the incoming connections. It is super easy to turn that "feature" off, you just have to remember to do it whenever you create a new record.
Porkbun.com
Free dns and everything it's been great. Cheap domains and even the 404 page is cute
+1 for Porkbun. They even offer $2/yr <6–9 digit>.xyz domains if you just want a domain for basically free and don't care about having a nice and pretty one. 01384629.xyz or whatever for $2/yr to give their service a try is well worth it imo. I have one of these as well as a "real" domain I like that's like $20 or $25/yr. I have no complaints with Porkbun.
Good Marketing and branding always gets me more interested. Porkbun is awesome
Cloudflare offers at-cost domain names. There's a lot of issues with using them though. Since they're so big, they have a culture of giving governments/oligarchs whatever they want.
There is Njalla, owned by someone involved with The Pirate Bay. It supposedly allows users to buy domain names privately, although I'm not sure at what cost. I've read users saying that Njalla will revoke domain names if pressured by outside forces, so they don't seem like a good option similar to cloudflare.
The DNS is a tool of surveillance and control and we should move away from it as quickly as possible.
My first registrar was Google domains. As always, they killed the business. And sold it to Squarespace. I’ve been their customer for a year or two, nothing bad I can say, except the price was about 1.5 or even 2x of that from Cloudflare for com domain, so I migrated there. I have no deep understanding of the nuances, so I cannot say whether Cloudflare is a bad actor. At least I trust them to not elevate the price, as it’s not their primary business, sell domains.
I use mythic beasts. They are not the very cheapest, but they offer predictable pricing and just charge a fixed increase compared to the price they pay their supplier. You can trust that they won't mess around with the renewal price or arbitrary extra fees.
For my .org domains I pay ~£15 per year, but if you don't care about the tld, you can get some for ~£6 per year (the costs on the website exclude VAT, but if you buy multiple years at a time, the amortised cost including VAT ~= the price excluding VAT).
Beyond just the registrar you pick, try not to pick some vanity TLDs. The ubiquitous ones (e.g. .com and .net) are fine. For example .xyz has a bad reputation (due to its initial low price to register, it became used for many spammers) and might be blocked in unexpected places. Others might lure you in with a cheap first year but charge much higher for subsequent years.
In addition to that, ccTLDs (country code) can be a wildcard, especially if you don’t live in the region served by it. Although rare, the country registry can seize your domain. Most commonly though, many, including .us, do not allow you to mask your personal information (WHOIS privacy). I’ve had a .me for a long time and even though they haven’t been much of a problem, they are also raising the price for renewal faster than an equivalent .com, and so I’ve been thinking of letting that domain go.
If you trust your country’s ccTLD registry and they’re reputable, that’s less of an issue, however.
Is there a reason to be concerned about the blocking anywhere besides email? I can't think of any, but I might not be thinking of some usecases
I’ve read that if you or your family depend on some kind of firewall provided by a company (and removing or disabling it is not allowed), then that firewall might outright refuse to connect to such a domain, even if the domain was never used. (Basically outright blocking .xyz at the root.) It’s not applicable in most cases but it is definitely a case of overzealous “protection” software. It’s just an unpredictable outcome and a risk. If you don’t plan on hosting email and don’t use a firewall like that, then it would be marginally acceptable.
I would still strongly recommend a .com or .net. The only advantage of using lesser known (or of low reputation) TLD is that more domains will not have been taken. I’d rather just try to be creative or pick something longer with .com.
On CloudFlare, user224.com renews annually at less than $11
That's where I got my domain (I was using them at the time, but it doesn't matter), for that price, and that includes whois privacy.
It’s worth noting that if Cloudflare is your Registrar, you must also use them as your authoritative DNS provider. It’s not bad necessarily, it’s just a little unusual.
I see that, but what does it mean in practice?
That means you can’t host your own dns or have some other commercial provider do dns resolution for you. Typically the registration and dns service are two distinct things.
Cloudflare will control and see your DNS traffic unless you switch the registration to a new company. Right now you would pay $11/yr for registration and $0/yr for DNS service. They could change that $0/yr to something else.
It’s only noteworthy because it deviates from the norm. For some reason they really want to handle your traffic.
Can you explain this DNS thing further, please?
I start with what I understand. DNS stands for domains name system, which means a huge database of domain names and their IP addresses. When I ask for a website, DNS tells my computer / browser which IP addresses to look for, to reach the website.
At home, I have Pi-Hole and Unbound. The first one censors DNS addresses by not including domains that serve advertisements. It can work with various DNS providers, including those from Google or Cloudflare. Unbound allows me to self-host DNS database, periodically fetching it from somewhere. That way my ISP may not see … here I’m not sure what, DNS lookups? It sees which IPs I reach, so I assume there’s no big difference, if they’d want to know which resources I reach for. Frankly, I don’t understand this solution entirely, perhaps unbound is for something different. I used Pi-Hole without it for years, only recently I added unbound, because it was quite easy to do with DietPi distro.
Cloudflare actively promotes their WARP service, for people to use their DNS servers. They have three options, four ones, three ones and two, three ones and three. My guess is they theoretically can analyse these DNS lookups for some reason. (E.g. by partnering with three letter agencies, doing some service for them.)
What is DNS in the context of my website being registered with them? When I reach to my website, or any other website registered with them, what would happen? Isn’t the record everywhere already? I cannot understand what this means in this (different, isn’t it?) context.
The rug pull scheme ‘now you pay us for DNS too!’ seems unlikely, for some reason. If it’s no different from what they provide as a free service. If it’s something else, I assume you can migrate to any other registrar, unless you’re too heavy into their ecosystem.
On a personal note, I’m not too heavy into their ecosystem, I hope. I have a couple of static websites hosted for free with Cloudflare Pages. Plus I have a bare metal file server with images which is shared to the internet with Cloudflare Tunnel. I’m nobody with a few readers, tens of posts and hundreds of images, and I chose this architecture because I don’t understand how to properly self-host my blog on a residential connection (meaning dynamic IP behind a CG-NAT or what it’s called). When I do, I may drop them in favour of a simpler architecture. But also I was curious how it works.
So, saying all this, I still don’t understand what this them being an authoritative registrar means in this context. Perhaps I lack some web dev skills to understand that properly. When I had my domain with Squarespace, they allowed more than Cloudflare, but I lack understanding to properly formulate that, to even understand what it was. I think I could host my top level domain with Cloudflare Pages only when they are my registrar, while having those Pages on a subdomain was trivial even with a different registrar. If I remember that correctly now, I might’ve been confusing some things here.
Thanks for your previous explanation, it was quite informative.
I'm using ovh for my domains, it's €13.5 I think for a .com renewal and that include whois privacy, a 15Go mail address and a 100mo website hosting.
I paid $10.44 USD to cloudflare last year in May for a year of my .com domain. I have no complaints.
Nearly Free Speech https://www.nearlyfreespeech.net/services/domains
Cloudflare sells domains at wholesale prices. Domains are not their business model, they want people to be exposed to their services so you might pay for something they do make money on.
As far as I know, Cloudfare is the only registrar that offers you wholesale price, as in the price asked by the tld owners. So, you a registrar can't go lower, because that's what they pay for it.
But, a lot of registrars will give you first year at a heavy discount (so, at a loss), just so they can ramp up the price to wholesale + a lot extra. I got my domain for like 5$, and they then asked for 40$ for renewal, while wholesale is around 25$.
So, I just transfered to Cloudfare for the renewal. Tbh I don't remember if it was the first or second year, and what are the transfer rules, but I think it should be possible to just buy a first year at heavy discount with i.e Namecheap or something, and immediately transfer to Cloudfare for the first renewal at wholesale price.
I will make a prediction. Once you get the domain and set it up, the images will still not work. Are you using an external proxy? I was battling this for days, Lemmy backend refused to create thumbs for my local images, federated content worked great. IF you get this issue, send me a message, I found a workaround.
Don't use namecheap.
Super happy with PorkBun
I paid $12 (USD) for a .in and $32 for a .nu with Namecheap, $20 (AUD) for a .au and $59 for a .email with VentraIP.
I can't really recommend Namecheap though because you can't count on getting support if you need it. A couple of years back I needed to change my account email with them due to Google being an arse and locking me out of my primary gmail account (namecheap required an email code to log in to the domain dashboard but I couldn't view the email), put a support ticket in while logged into the same account in their support portal and they ignored me for close on a month. At that point I managed to get back into the gmail account so didn't need their help anymore, I sent Namecheap back a message saying I was unhappy with their lack of help. About six months later they sent their one and only reply to my ticket, basically saying they were sorry I was unhappy but they didn't see a problem with the time they took.
I must admit I still have domains with Namecheap because sometimes it's just hard to get around to changing things, but I was reminded of their lack of competence literally this morning. They sent me an email saying I needed to update my domain contact info so I logged in and went to change it only to find their contact update form is broken and won't submit...
VentraIP hasn't given me any issues so far with either their domain or email hosting but I haven't had to rely on their support so I can't say how good they are with that.
I use two: Namecheap and omg.lol.
Admittedly omg.lol isn't a traditional registrar, but they do give you a domain name and other stuff (I don't use most of it), but it's $20/yr
Namecheap varies, but last I checked it was a bit cheaper. Not by much, maybe $15/yr for my .monster domain?
I've think Cloudflare just sells them at the price they pay even if they don't do the first year promo like NameCheap does
I bought a class 1.111B domain from the .xyz registrar: 6 to 9 digits followed by .xyz, so you can use your phone number. They sell them for $1/year, and $1/year for whois privacy. So I paid $20 to have my domain for the next decade :)
Don't remember the cost, but namecheap is not a lie. It's cheap, hazzle free, and overall a great service. I have quite a few domains with them.
Some will let you pay for up to 10 years at the 1 year price, so if you get a deal on a particular tld (as long as it's not an abused one like .xyz) you can pay upfront and save a decent amount of money.
From memory you should try and avoid 10 year renewals since you can't transfer to a new registrar for the first year of the new renewal.
You'll probably want WHOIS privacy support, so make sure the tld supports it.
I use Cloudflare as registrar, and I am currently paying for 2 .com and 1 .co domains, US$100 each for 10 years.
$24.95/yr seems high. Are you looking at a specialty TLD? I paid around 10 USD/yr for a .com with Cloudflare, and 12 CAD/yr for a .ca with Canspace.
Wait here are you getting a $10/year VPS?
From a deal on racknerdtracker.com (so RackNerd as the name suggests).
But their panel is a bit limited. If you want a custom OS that isn't provided, you have to open a ticket with them to get an ISO mounted. You can also boot into recovery environment, but that is outdated minimal installation of Debian 9 without working APT. I was still able to use it to install Arch Linux from bootstrap image though. I just had to decompress it on my PC, create a temporary partition for it and scp it over.
And I am again mentioning Arch. It comes naturally.
Seriously, my ISP (XMission - local and fucking awesome) charges $27/mo minimum for a VPS
I have entirely too many domains at namesilo.com. Privacy is included for free in the majority of circumstances -- not for .org. .com renewals for me are down to $8.85 year because of the aforemented "too many." I also have some .social and other newer TLDs and those are stupidly expensive.
I use nothing else from namesilo. For domains I use I don't even use their nameservers. But for what I need, their UI is sometimes awful, but it does what I need.
Namesilo used to be the standard for inexpensive domain registration. They keep raising their rates, however, and now they are expensive compared to the alternatives. Being a registrar takes next to no work. Do not accept expensive registrars. You can safely avoid Namesilo.
I use cloudflare for both my domains. $17 or so each.
Honestly you can spend as little as a couple bucks if you dont care about a name. I like cloudflare but almost any registrar is fine as long as you pay for the domain.
Namecheap has random number only xyz domains for like a dollar so I have one of those.
Cloudflare. They sell and renew at cost ($12 iirc)
I hear Porkbun does/did as well but I haven't looked in a long time.
I have a .com for like $19.99 but pay to have my info redacted from whois stuff, an email address, all cones to like $42.99
I have a bullshit domain with some nonsense tld and domain name that I pay $0.99/yr for that's on a vps I pay like $150/yr for all told (it's doing stuff).
All told I keep it below $20/month.
I have a .com for like $19.99 but pay to have my info redacted from whois stuff, an email address, all cones to like $42.99
Porkbun charges $11.08 for a .com with whois privacy. $30/year for email hosting might be worth it if you're getting very good service, but I think you're overpaying.
Formerly Google domains, now owned by squarespace. It costs $13 a year for a .rocks domain.
Dunno your region, but Registro.br's domains are rather cheap imo. However, I need to check again, but afaik it's only for people with CPF or CNPJ, the Brazilian equivalents of person and company identification numbers.
I have a 9-digit .xyz domain through cloudflare and I think I pay like $1-2 $0.87 a year for it
Should be 87 cents USD. It is a 1.111B class domain https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.xyz
If you’re at all into credit card churning Amex business gold has a new $150 square space credit that can be used for domains. You can prepay for up to 10 years. Their rates are high ($20 for .com) but it’s fake money.
My namecheap domain (.net) is around 15 USD annually, with basic privacy protection included
What website do you get your VPS from?
https://racknerdtracker.com/ keeps all the deals that don't expire.
I got an .org domain from hover.com for $16/yr. They knock $5 off for the first year. They price domains based on popularity of the tld so that can get expensive. Whois privacy is standard and you can buy additional add-ons
https://www.loopia.com/ - ~10 euro/year for only DNS and ~100 euro/year for DNS, e-mail and web hosting.
I've got one through name.com and I pay I think $15/year for. Not really sure what extra features I'm getting, I don't do much with it.
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