Would be nice to name drop these kinds of assholes.
I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position and people gradually leaving until it's just a husk with the C-suite having to do everything or the company just disappearing
Would be nice to name drop these kinds of assholes.
I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position and people gradually leaving until it's just a husk with the C-suite having to do everything or the company just disappearing
I’d say they answered the question about the culture.
And the salary
You dodged a bullet there.
Like a 950 caliber bullet. Depending on the work, a company like that is going to be just as effective as making someone go splat.
yeah it only becomes a problem when every company realizes they can do this at the same time and so being honest in an interview isn't an edge anymore, since no one is doing it
I had a company back in 2012 refuse to present even a range of compensation before they flew me 1200 miles to an interview except to say that it "wasn't bad."
I didn't take the interview.
I would have taken the free flight and saw the sights and then just left without appearing at the interview.
I think they were going to reimburse me after.
I always hear “very competitive”, which in my experience means “nearly minimum wage”.
That's fucking bullshit. 20 years ago, those were just basic things to ask when they say "Do you have any questions for us?" And applicants were actively encouraged to do so by jobs coaches.
If they don't want people to negotiate their contracts, they should say "Requirements: willing to be exploited and blindly obedient; push-overs preferred."
It's common practice now. I've been interviewing for over 4 months, and ask these kinds of questions every time (except for the salary). Over a dozen interviews, and not once has there been even a hint of relucrance to respond.
Op dodged a crap company
You shouldn't have to ask about the salary because that should have been in the job advertisement. Why would anyone even apply for a job if they don't know what it pays?
Not a thing in continental Europe unfortunately... On the other side, interviewers don't mind the question at all ime
It's a huge waste of everyone's time, including the hiring company, to get to the interview stage only to find out the pay is too low. So stupid.
They do this because the job seeker is already invested, and doesn't have the time to ponder well their choice, or speak about this with someone else.
They must choose on the spot, and having already invested time. They'll often accept much lower than they would have otherwise.
For the hirer, it pays off on the long term despite the time they also invest. It's thousands, even sometimes tens of thousands of dollars saved each year.
I also don't apply to jobs that don't show the salary in the posting. But I used to when I was desperate.
You don't ask about salary? I hope that means you had that discussion before the interview and not that you're just hoping it's worth your time
Agreed. I've been the one giving a lot of interviews. I'm a little concerned when people don't ask these sort of questions and tend to volunteer answers in that case. Any company with this attitude is an absolute joke and a total dumpster fire.
Run like the wind if you ever see a job still boast about company culture being like "being in a family"
I like to ask how much toilet paper can I steal before I get in trouble.
Y'all want that 1/2 ply shit?
i used to steal it from college library bathrooms, it was convenient at the time. i only started doing it because i had weeping dermatitis sores and i could not stop it, then i realize its just easier to access tp without having people you live with saying you used it all up(the ones they bought)
That's code for "we know that nobody would work here if they knew the answers, so we don't want to tell anyone them"
Dodged a bullet.
I have been in tech for 30 years (yikes!) and hiring people for the vast majority of that time. Salary, culture, and responsibilities are definitely things you should ask during the interview. In fact, not bringing responsibilities or culture up during the interview process is a huge red flag. Salary and compensation are more for the offer negotiation phase, but you should at least ask about the salary range they have in mind to make sure you aren't wasting their time or your time.
They don't like talking about it because every interested candidate becomes uninterested immediately after hearing the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the culture is awful.
Yeah more red flags than a Soviet parade imho
I hate that OP blacked out the company. Name and shame these fucks.
I feel like people block out names way to often now. I they felt comfortable enough to send this email, I'm sure they'd feel comfortable with it being shared with others, right?
Well they should be, but they could get litigious if they get bad exposure.
Reality is irrelevant in a court of law.
The law isn't though.
In order to break a law you must actually have broken the law.
For one, they might have had some NDA as part of the interview process.
But even if not, they can bring a civil case even on dubious grounds, and the defendant still has to suffer having to defend themselves and go to court.
If they do sue, it isn't like the company has huge consequences to be scared of, and even successfully defending yourself won't feel like a "victory" compared to never having attracted the company's attention in the first place.
What I don't get is why people blur out personal information on public posts. You're not doing anything I can find the original post by just googling the entire sentence. All you're doing is making discovery harder.
It'd just discourage companies from sending rejection letters or giving reasons.
Better to flame the situation than the company in this case.
Ah yes the: "Accountability is bad because then those held accountable will try and hide their actions" argument.
It's not an ideal position to hold as it's one that's subservient to abuse and malicious intent
For future reference, they can just omit the middle paragraph because nobody cares about the opinion of a company that isn't hiring them.
Another thing that needs to be legally mandated. Not only should it be mandated to discuss pay, responsibilities, culture, etc. during the interview process, it needs to be mandated that you receive a fully human written rejection letter explaining in specific detail why they did not select you.
If the USA is remade, I think that all jobs should go through a state and federally controlled job board. The government's job should be to ensure the things you outlined, and other stuff to help employees be safeguarded from corporate abuse.
This sounds great in theory, but I can assure you it will just result in either boilerplate or ai generated explanations. The work of putting that together is just going to get thrust on already overworked people who are dragged into panel interviews so managers don't have to deal with it.
This has to be fake... right?
Yes. You think you get feedback when you don’t get the job? Nah, companies are the OG ghosters.
1000% fake
Stuff like this is guaranteed internet points. Notice how they NEVER give the name of the employer, even though they have no reason not to name them.
"So umm hows the weather?"
Im sorry $user But we dont discuss things on this ethereal plane during the interviewing process.
Task failed successfully. Any company willing to get defensive in writing clearly has some horrific practices.
That is true, but a shitty job is still better than homelessness and starvation, Both dodged a bullet and also really sucks
I personally think a horrible employer is worse than homelessness. I actually spent less time hungry what time I didn't have a place and always had the shelter at night before getting back on my feet.
Shitty job; I woke up nauseous every morning. Always had this sort of dread. A general depression from the abuse and general humiliation of the workplace. We really know how to grind the average white collar to ash and dump them in the garbage when they get older.
I agree with you 100%, with a small caveat, that it is an individual choice and preference to choose between a shitty job and homelessness. The streets can be hard, and getting back into a house is almost impossibly hard for so many people.
It is a shitty system by design. no good outcomes and arguing about which shitty outcome is less shitty is a waste of time. I really hope you are housed and have a good job.
That's literally what at least 30 years of job interview advice has been encouraging people to ask during an interview
NOOOO the interview is meant for us to find a guy to underpay, not for you to find a stable good paying job!!!
I think those are questions you should definitely ask. I'd save them for the end of the interview but definitely ask.
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