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[–] 315 points 9 months ago (11 children)

Would be nice to name drop these kinds of assholes.

I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position and people gradually leaving until it's just a husk with the C-suite having to do everything or the company just disappearing

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  • [–] 143 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I honestly just assume its fake when they dont name drop. I have no doubt it happens, but its just rage bait without any context.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    It may be, but key words are "it happens".

    This is anecdotal, but when I got my very first job interview at a somewhat big local company back when I was 19, the interviewer was apparently very eager to hire me, until I mentioned the salary topic, then her face changed from excited to like "rude, we're not hiring this guy" almost immediately.

    I would name drop them if I remembered the company name.

    They ghosted me tho

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Why do HR people seem to think that anyone's primary motivation for working is something other than the paycheck?

    I have absolutely loved my last three jobs. Some days at my best job didn't even feel like work at all. But I would not keep going back if they stopped paying me.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    TBH, I could accept a lower wage (but not by much, and certainly not under minimum wage) if they offered a good work environment, reasonable hours or other niceties, but this was probably not the case

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    The job I referred to as "my best job" was also the lowest-paying. Great work environment, awesome hours, decent benefits.

    But I would not have continued going there to do my job if they stopped paying me.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago

    Based on a true story

    Don't doubt that each of those things were used by various companies to not hire people, but listing them all at once in a rejection letter that no companies send anymore is a bit too on the nose.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I would love for them to not find a single worker to fill this position

    They'll just ask the government for more immigrant visas since no Americans will work for them. Sort of like US farm labor operates today.

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  • [–] 234 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I’d say they answered the question about the culture.

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  • [–] 146 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 138 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    You dodged a bullet there.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Like a 950 caliber bullet. Depending on the work, a company like that is going to be just as effective as making someone go splat.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    yeah it only becomes a problem when every company realizes they can do this at the same time and so being honest in an interview isn't an edge anymore, since no one is doing it

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  • [–] 115 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I had a company back in 2012 refuse to present even a range of compensation before they flew me 1200 miles to an interview except to say that it "wasn't bad."

    I didn't take the interview.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I would have taken the free flight and saw the sights and then just left without appearing at the interview.

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I think they were going to reimburse me after.

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  • [–] 95 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    That's fucking bullshit. 20 years ago, those were just basic things to ask when they say "Do you have any questions for us?" And applicants were actively encouraged to do so by jobs coaches.

    If they don't want people to negotiate their contracts, they should say "Requirements: willing to be exploited and blindly obedient; push-overs preferred."

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  • [–] 38 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    It's common practice now. I've been interviewing for over 4 months, and ask these kinds of questions every time (except for the salary). Over a dozen interviews, and not once has there been even a hint of relucrance to respond.

    Op dodged a crap company

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    You shouldn't have to ask about the salary because that should have been in the job advertisement. Why would anyone even apply for a job if they don't know what it pays?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Not a thing in continental Europe unfortunately... On the other side, interviewers don't mind the question at all ime

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    It's a huge waste of everyone's time, including the hiring company, to get to the interview stage only to find out the pay is too low. So stupid.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    They do this because the job seeker is already invested, and doesn't have the time to ponder well their choice, or speak about this with someone else.

    They must choose on the spot, and having already invested time. They'll often accept much lower than they would have otherwise.

    For the hirer, it pays off on the long term despite the time they also invest. It's thousands, even sometimes tens of thousands of dollars saved each year.

    I also don't apply to jobs that don't show the salary in the posting. But I used to when I was desperate.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You don't ask about salary? I hope that means you had that discussion before the interview and not that you're just hoping it's worth your time

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Generally they beat me to it - either it's posted in the ad, or your asking rate is in the application questions. I do usually wait to ask until later in the process, though - employers can be pretty unreasonable about asking about salaries in general

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Agreed. I've been the one giving a lot of interviews. I'm a little concerned when people don't ask these sort of questions and tend to volunteer answers in that case. Any company with this attitude is an absolute joke and a total dumpster fire.

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  • [–] [S] 74 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    I like to ask how much toilet paper can I steal before I get in trouble.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    Y'all want that 1/2 ply shit?

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    i used to steal it from college library bathrooms, it was convenient at the time. i only started doing it because i had weeping dermatitis sores and i could not stop it, then i realize its just easier to access tp without having people you live with saying you used it all up(the ones they bought)

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  • [–] 58 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    That's code for "we know that nobody would work here if they knew the answers, so we don't want to tell anyone them"

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  • [–] 53 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have been in tech for 30 years (yikes!) and hiring people for the vast majority of that time. Salary, culture, and responsibilities are definitely things you should ask during the interview. In fact, not bringing responsibilities or culture up during the interview process is a huge red flag. Salary and compensation are more for the offer negotiation phase, but you should at least ask about the salary range they have in mind to make sure you aren't wasting their time or your time.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    I’m getting to the point where when I don’t see the salary posted on the job ad then I assume that they are trying to hide low pay. Even in my state where it isn’t required most positions still have a range posted.

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  • [–] 47 points 9 months ago*

    They don't like talking about it because every interested candidate becomes uninterested immediately after hearing the pay sucks, the hours suck, and the culture is awful.

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  • [–] 36 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah more red flags than a Soviet parade imho

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    [–] 69 points 9 months ago (16 children)

    I hate that OP blacked out the company. Name and shame these fucks.

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I feel like people block out names way to often now. I they felt comfortable enough to send this email, I'm sure they'd feel comfortable with it being shared with others, right?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Well they should be, but they could get litigious if they get bad exposure.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Reality is irrelevant in a court of law.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    For one, they might have had some NDA as part of the interview process.

    But even if not, they can bring a civil case even on dubious grounds, and the defendant still has to suffer having to defend themselves and go to court.

    If they do sue, it isn't like the company has huge consequences to be scared of, and even successfully defending yourself won't feel like a "victory" compared to never having attracted the company's attention in the first place.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    What I don't get is why people blur out personal information on public posts. You're not doing anything I can find the original post by just googling the entire sentence. All you're doing is making discovery harder.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    It'd just discourage companies from sending rejection letters or giving reasons.

    Better to flame the situation than the company in this case.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Ah yes the: "Accountability is bad because then those held accountable will try and hide their actions" argument.

    It's not an ideal position to hold as it's one that's subservient to abuse and malicious intent

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Another thing that needs to be legally mandated. Not only should it be mandated to discuss pay, responsibilities, culture, etc. during the interview process, it needs to be mandated that you receive a fully human written rejection letter explaining in specific detail why they did not select you.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    If the USA is remade, I think that all jobs should go through a state and federally controlled job board. The government's job should be to ensure the things you outlined, and other stuff to help employees be safeguarded from corporate abuse.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This sounds great in theory, but I can assure you it will just result in either boilerplate or ai generated explanations. The work of putting that together is just going to get thrust on already overworked people who are dragged into panel interviews so managers don't have to deal with it.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This has to be fake... right?

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "So umm hows the weather?"

    Im sorry $user But we dont discuss things on this ethereal plane during the interviewing process.

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Task failed successfully. Any company willing to get defensive in writing clearly has some horrific practices.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    That is true, but a shitty job is still better than homelessness and starvation, Both dodged a bullet and also really sucks

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I personally think a horrible employer is worse than homelessness. I actually spent less time hungry what time I didn't have a place and always had the shelter at night before getting back on my feet.

    Shitty job; I woke up nauseous every morning. Always had this sort of dread. A general depression from the abuse and general humiliation of the workplace. We really know how to grind the average white collar to ash and dump them in the garbage when they get older.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    I agree with you 100%, with a small caveat, that it is an individual choice and preference to choose between a shitty job and homelessness. The streets can be hard, and getting back into a house is almost impossibly hard for so many people.

    It is a shitty system by design. no good outcomes and arguing about which shitty outcome is less shitty is a waste of time. I really hope you are housed and have a good job.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Yeah nice redflag for not working there

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    "for future reference...." Like OP is gong to re-apply to this company.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    That's literally what at least 30 years of job interview advice has been encouraging people to ask during an interview

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago

    NOOOO the interview is meant for us to find a guy to underpay, not for you to find a stable good paying job!!!

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I think those are questions you should definitely ask. I'd save them for the end of the interview but definitely ask.

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