After weeks of authoritarian threats to crush protests with the military, cancel elections, conquer foreign countries, and send masked agents door-to-door to round up anyone who can't prove their citizenship, Trump on Wednesday told an already uneasy room full of world leaders that "sometimes you need a dictator."

The offhanded comment came in the middle of a rambling speech at the reception dinner for the annual meeting of the World Economic Forum in Davos, Switzerland, on Wednesday, in which Trump congratulated himself on a different rambling speech he'd given earlier that day at the summit.

“We had a good speech, we got great reviews. I can’t believe it, we got good reviews on that speech,” Trump said of the widely mocked address in which he continued to demand the US take over Greenland (which he repeatedly referred to as "Iceland") and made new tariff threats against Canada and Europe if they resist the annexation.

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[–] 94 points 9 months ago (26 children)

I see no reason you'd ever want a dictator, but I admit that sometimes, I wish I could unilaterally amend the US Constitution. I'd be able to fix campaign finance, voting methods, gerrymandering, looting the government by the rich, and a whole bunch of other crap all at once.

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (20 children)

    The mythos of Cincinnatus, the idea of a temporary dictator who acts benevolently and then gladly cedes power, has a strong presence in the founding of the US. Washington was regarded as one (his contemporaries were quite surprised when he willingly stepped down, it was felt that after his success in the war of independence he could have easily claimed power). That civic virtue is eminent enough to be the namesake of one of their cities. Pity it's in Ohio, of all places. I probably can't blame Ohio for the decline in American civic virtue, but I wish I could.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    Hey I know it's just a funny Internet meme to shit on Ohio, but any time someone does (especially in the current times where we need to find allies more than ever) I feel obligated to remind them that Ohio is actually not a hell hole, it just has backward rednecks in the rural areas, just like any other state with rural areas. Cincinnati is a beautiful city, Ohio is a beautiful state, and a huge chunk of the ~12 million people that live here are in fact not shit people.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Of course, it's only in jest. I've even dated someone from Ohio, and not even one of the nice parts.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    As an American, honestly I feel like anticommunism was a huge factor in the decline of our civic virtue. When you start praising and empowering wealth over mutual benefit you weed the ethical and the dutiful from the leadership pool, both politically and culturally. Many left wing movements of the late 20th and early 21st centuries in America prioritized civic duty separate from the state (left wing) or through it (liberal).

    I think the other big damage to it was the American civic religion. The country went from a huge machine we each had to play a part in, built on philosophies that everyone was supposed to understand, to a golden calf. The constitution went from the foundational rules meant to steward us towards the goals stated in the preamble it became a holy text thats name is cited, but its goals are not cherished. People often don't actually think about how what they want fits in to a reasonable interpretation of say, the 4th-8th amendments.

    Idk, sometimes I feel massively outnumbered here as someone who takes her civil duties seriously.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I think you might be onto something blaming ohio actually.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Unfortunately I grew up in the Cincinnati area and developed a strong sense of civic duty. Is there a way we could blame Kentucky?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Also James K Polk, Republican of the stump -- promised to be a 1 term pres and stuck to it.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Can you imagine how great that would feel? To be trusted with such authority in service of your people, and to have kept your promise? I'd be a living legend, for the rest of my life I'd feel confident in having lived my ethos to its fullest. I cannot fathom why it does not appeal to some.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I honestly can't imagine a better peak experience. Like, I've made choices that proved my ethics even at personal cost and felt extra good just not telling anyone for years about them. I still feel pride for some I engaged in as a child. It's straight up the exact opposite feeling of remembering something cringe you did (of which I have many more examples). I sincerely wish that experience on everyone, though I hope most don't get the martyrdom urge that led to it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The world needs more people who feel this. The sense of being a valued and irreplaceable part of a world worth living in.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's not even being valued or irreplaceable, it's just knowing you've done the right thing even when nobody would have blamed you for not. It's the fundamental dignity and pride associated with knowing that you have shown integrity and the understanding that when presented with an opportunity to display it that it's absolutely worth it.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Dictators are more efficient and agile than democratic governments. That’s why the Romans originally had them. In the early Roman republic dictators were appointed to fix a specific problem and given significant power to do specifically and only that. So for example you could have a “fix gerrymandering dictator” that would be able to sidestep normal processes to fix gerrymandering, and then disappear.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    There's A Robert A. Heinlein book about how and why to be involved in politics called Take Back Your Government. At one point he talks about sharing his concerns that fascism was in fact more efficient than democracy with a person who had escaped Hitler's Germany. The friend asserts that fascism is less efficient, because under fascism, everyone is afraid of the boss, so no one wants to admit when anything isn't going according to plan, so problems pile up. Democracy, on the other hand, expects and encourages constant complaint, so the problems tend to get discovered and fixed sooner than under fascism.

    You can see this process taking place right now: everyone is afraid of displeasing boss Trump, and as a result you've got all these clearly fucked up decisions being made while nobody is being honest about how bad of an effect they are going to have. In a functional democracy, representatives would be afraid of the consequences and do something to stem the damage to avoid being tossed out in the next election. In our current reality... we'll see, I guess?

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    If there was a way of ensuring a truly benevolent dictator I think it would be great, however any dictator we could pick realistically would be inherently flawed.

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  • I don't even think a benevolent dictator would be all that great. Dictators are always at the mercy of the information they receive, so you'd also need a cabinet full of benevolent secretaries, who in turn would need agencies full of benevolent directors, who'd need benevolent managers, etc. I just don't think autocracy is an efficient form of government regardless of intent. Checks on power exist to limit the damage that those entrusted with power can do, regardless of their intentions.

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  • [–] 89 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    All I could think about while watching Carney’s speech, aside from how much I’d forgotten what a real leader sounded like, was what kind of bullshit word salad the orange asshole would belch out of his McDonalds hole.

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  • [–] 59 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Sometimes you need a massive stroke

    -the world says

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    sometimes you need to aim an inch more to the right.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Some of us said this would happen. You called us "gloom-and-doomers."

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Sometimes you need a dictator.

    Yeah, for target practice.

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  • [–] 41 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Sometimes a country needs a political assassination.

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    He had two attempts and both were fools. Seriously, the first guy got too damn close and... used iron sights and cheap target ammo? Also his motive was random violence. He wanted to go on a rampage and start by killing the closest political figure He could find... who just so happened to be Trump who was having a rally nearby. No fucking joke, that was the reason.

    Why are assassins often the most unstable nutcase who win through sheer luck instead of actual planning?

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Man that shit was fake anyway. I remember the day it happened my “moderate republican” buddy said. “He’s going to win the election now for sure”

    That assassination attempt was just a planned part of the campaign rally.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    That's exactly how I felt that too.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    First, you're assuming that most successful assassins are the unstable nutcases. It could just be that it's more memorable when the motivation is "make jodi foster love me" than "stop an expansionist imperialist who's destroying the lives of the common man".

    You're also more likely to be a lone assassin if you don't conform to social norms because social norms say not to kill people.

    The most prolific assassins are just common soldiers whose names we don't even record.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    *This is my attempt at writing a small short story depicting only a moment or two in real time. The author I am emulating is James Thurber. He was a master of the short story/essay. He had very dry sense of wit and was funny as fuck. I do a hope he would approve of my theft of inspiration. Here is my attempt at a modern version of his style.

    January in Dayton is not preferable for very many people. The reasons are varied yet common. It truly sucks. Occasionally a wandering soul seeks more like minded individuals that aren’t part of the fundamentalist evangelical type community that dominate local cultural scope . This crowd is often difficult to intentionally avoid. Something something (mumbling sounds) *Checks notes, lowers reader glasses slamming down a stack of documents that provided the incentive. The patron was relaxed but owned a dash of anxiety while holding court at the local dive bar. That was until a small pour of Pappy Van Winkle with a single cube was thrown back & then gleefully announced that “Third time is a charm. Provided the good lord willin’ & the creek don’t rise. Can I get an Amen?” Someone nearby asked the bartender to change the channel to see if the game was on. Not half a second later there was some breaking news flashing across the screen The patron looked up at the television & smiled. “No fucking way, third time really is a charm”.

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  • [–] 30 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What are the odds that he tries to invade Iceland as well just because he can't admit that he got the name wrong?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    To water the tree of liberty with?

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Didn't he help depose a dictator recently?

    Ironic.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Sometimes you need a guy on a grassy knoll.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Sometimes you need an assassination as well it seems.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I mean it could be as simple as mcdonalds employees in DC coughing on every burger for a while.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Not likely. The Orange Fuck-stick got COVID and they just pumped him with so many drugs that it's a wonder he didn't invade himself.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    As appealing a thought as that is, and I've thought it daily all year, it would only make him a martyr. Look at the insane reaction to Kirk's 'assassination' and multiply that by a thousand. His ailing health, or something dumb like falling down some stairs, preferably on camera, would be much more fitting and less dangerous.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    Nobody EVER needs a dictator. That rotten orange shit pile refuses to see that.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    NRA, remember about rising against dictators?

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    I don't think the NRA cares of Dems or repubs buy their guns, hell if we all start to shoot each other well all buy more guns and bullets!

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Wasn't the NRA Russia funded or something?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    You are thinking about what happened with Marina Butina.

    The NRA was founded as a pretty reasonable organization - here’s a quote from their president, Karl Frederick, in 1934:

    I have never believed in the general practice of carrying weapons. I seldom carry one. I have when I felt it was desirable to do so for my own protection. I know that applies in most of the instances where guns are used effectively in self-defense or in places of business and in the home. I do not believe in the general promiscuous toting of guns. I think it should be sharply restricted and only under licenses.

    It got taken over by Birchers and racists in the 1970’s, being rational and non partisan for most of its life before them.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    Nope they are an American organization. Now in 2016 Russia pumped some cash into our politics, and did so through the NRA which is where I think that comes from. Back I nthe day NRA was actually a good org, focused on gun safety, education, training. Now their a bullshit political group basically. My grandfather was a lifetime NRA member and denounced his membership almost 20 years ago because they got so far away from their roots and he couldn't bear it anymore.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago*

    A Democrat president would be killed for saying this shit

    Edit: just saw this. So fucking embarrassing...

    he continued to demand the US take over Greenland (which he repeatedly referred to as "Iceland")

    Can't even get the name right of the country he's been convinced he needs to invade

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Perhaps America needs a Purge.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I heard that the sheer volume of shitty ideas that come out of his mouth means he never even has to poop.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    And sometimes you always don’t.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So this is when the revolt happens right? Surely this is the last straw, right America?

    Or is he just joking again? Because words don't matter and he tweets his policy notes.

    I'll sit and wait for the spineless Americans to rise up against tyranny, 2a and all the other self-aggrandizing bullshit you bootlickers spew.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Can you imagine how different the world would have been if trump didn't move his head a ¼ of a second earlier

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Would he say that if Kamala won?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    To be fair (and some people at Lemmy is gonna call me a liberal (even though I support market socialism and find communism to be pretty interesting) for saying this), I think the 2024 election have been rigged, and Kamala Harris should've won. Seriously!

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago*

    “We had a good speech, we got great reviews. I can’t believe it, we got good reviews on that speech,” Trump said of the widely mocked address in which he continued to demand the US take over Greenland (which he repeatedly referred to as “Iceland”) and made new tariff threats against Canada and Europe if they resist the annexation.

    Iceland is probably the next country to get taken over due to it's stategically important position for the control of the arctic sea.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    We actually don't need a dictator in the United states. Seriously!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    The masks are already off. The bastard sees he's in a position bigger than WWE.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    Even if that were true, you're not it, Donald.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You know what? He's right. We needed a dictator who wouldn't care about political appearances and would have thrown his demented ass into prison like he fucking deserves.

    Instead we got Malarkey Joe and the coward of the century Merrick Garland as AG. :/

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    The problem with leadership is that the ones who most deserve it never seek it, and the ones who most seek it never deserve it

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  • [–] 9 points 9 months ago

    "The major problem—one of the major problems, for there are several—one of the many major problems with governing people is that of whom you get to do it; or rather of who manages to get people to let them do it to them.

    To summarize: it is a well-known fact that those people who must want to rule people are, ipso facto, those least suited to do it.

    To summarize the summary: anyone who is capable of getting themselves made President should on no account be allowed to do the job."

    Spot on lol

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Sometimes you need a leader with a uncoked asshole.

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