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[+] 132 points 9 months ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (17 children)
  • [–] 79 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Surely it will work, right? All those school shootings and accidental murders, they were for this. To stand up to tyranny. Surely Americans won't just roll over/cheer like they always do. Surely not. Lmao

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I just hope they don't go too hard with the tweets and protests! They're getting results! And democratic senators writing letters! Oof!

    /s

    (I support the protesters, the ICE victims, and NOT ICE, but day after day it just gets worse, and that's all they're doing - tweeting and marching - as ICE commit atrocity after atrocity).

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I agree. Other vital actions need to take place. However, they are doing vital work. Not everyone can pry secrets out of their digital assets. Not everyone can slip into the homes of their masters while they sleep. No, we very much need people documenting what’s happening. We need people to helping their neighbors when ditched in poor weather by thugs.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    well - considering the “assassination attempt” on Trump, and how anyone speaking against the regime is a “domestic terrorist,” my money is on the idea that very soon there will be some ICE agents that have an encounter with “ANTIFA thugs,” and this is where martial law will be declared.

    Trump is insane right now, and he is big mad that he’s not getting his way in Switzerland; he’s getting bullied right back, and he’s starting to see that people are laughing at him.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    If that was the goal it would've been false flagged already. The goal really is just a simple as they don't think their actions will have consequences, and so far they've been largely correct.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    There already have been false flags. Just ones that sought to incite conflicts between protesters and the boots.

    They want blood soaked antifa bodies. It will help to normalize the coming violence to their base. They will frame how it was just. They demonize the slain. It will ratchet it to a new level.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Can you cite any specifics? Because either things are actively spicier than I was aware of or you misunderstood what was being said.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    I expressed that in frustration and anger. I have only seen one video of protests where there was something getting lobbed at officers from behind the protesters. There were claims that it was done by boot lickers, but I have no proof, and I can’t find the video now in the sea of content.

    My frustration is that it is illogical to think they (MAGA in general) are not accustomed to doing false flags. I know that isn’t what you said. I protested in WA during BLM. There is a mountain of evidence of MAGA driving in and causing trouble in those events. I watched them peel down the streets in their trucks as we marched. I lived around them. I know what they spoke of. There are Boogaloos in jail for false flags shooting at cops during BLM: https://scholarlycommons.law.hofstra.edu/faculty_scholarship/1540/

    I haven’t observed that same extent this time. I think many of those thugs are now ICE thugs. Also, the stakes are higher for false flaggers against ICE. They don’t want hurt either.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    I expect that within a few months you'll find NICS checks returning "DENY" for anyone who has ties to terrorism. The evidence of terrorism will be membership in things ike the ACLU, being a registered Democrat, having a reading level of 8th-grade or higher, etc.

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  • [–] 52 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    If ICE agents were smart they would refuse to do this. Sooner or later someone is going to defend their home against these goons, using lethal force. The government is deliberately putting these morons in harm's way so they can use the death of an agent as political currency; people like Miller care so little about ICE agents that they wish to see them dead.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago

    MAGAmind have their hands clasped in excitement. They want the violence in the streets. We can’t win direct conflict with their goons. We must not give them what they want. We must circumvent their foot soldiers, and seek direct action against their masters. Make it clear to everyone: go after the money

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    That's all the excuse they need to ratchet this up another notch.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    You could look at Renee Good and see that they need no pretext at all to shoot and kill without repercussions. "Don't feed the troll" isn't a great strategy when it's already gnawing on your leg.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They're looking to instigate violence to justify martial law. Your 2nd Amendment solution only gives them more opportunity to oppress and kill civilians. If you fight the federal government you will lose. Discredit them, don't unalive them.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I'm not advocating for that, but as the prior poster said, "Sooner or later someone is going to defend their home against these goons, using lethal force" and they'll use that as pretext to increase the boldness and spread of their violence. At that point with a totalitarian state, what recourse to the law remains?

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  • [–] 51 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I found a memo that says they can’t

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    You need the other document

    When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

    when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

    (Hey, It's not illegal to quote the nation's founders, right? 👀)

    Edit: Btw I remember this was required class material... must be awkward for the highschoolers of current times lol

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    How long till they break into a home and find themselves in the midst of a boobytrap. Nice bucket of paint over the door, that sort of thing. Nothing harmful, just a bucket of yellow paint to mark the cowards for what they are. This is clearly criminal behavior, and needs to stop.

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  • [–] 63 points 9 months ago (8 children)
  • "advocates say..."

    Dude, armed masked individuals are breaking into your house and kidnapping you and your family.

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  • [–] 54 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Castle doctrine says otherwise.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Sir, this is a Wendy's Minnesota. There's no castle doctrine, but rather a duty to retreat.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I understand, however in the article it states "The shift comes as the Trump administration dramatically expands immigration arrests nationwide..."

    There's a reason this started in areas such as Minnesota. I fully believe this is just trial runs and laying the (il)legal framework to handle more difficult areas.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, but there's usually like 6 ice goons in riot gear with a lot of firepower. You hopefully kill a couple before getting shot to death yourself, and Trump doesn't give a shit if a few of his goons die. Citizens need to take up arms and force ice out. Not hope a few get into shootouts at an occasional home here or there.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Sounds like a fine way to end up eating a buckshot sandwich, but I'm not one to interrupt my enemy while they're making a mistake.

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    They know who has guns. They're going after people who don't.

    Love to be proven wrong, though.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    Contrary to what many people may believe, while I'm sure the government has an idea of who has guns and who doesn't, I doubt that idea accurately reflects reality. There are lots of ways in the US to get or make a gun that don't involve anything beyond cash changing hands.

    It's only a matter of time.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Just a reminder that "the government" now includes Palantir's dystopian surveillance suite. You can be sure that every target has a confidence rating assigned to it as to what kind of resistance can be expected. The small percentage of people that maintain a low enough profile to be able to be armed without having any sort of red flag attached are likely to be assigned a low confidence rating. Yes, there will always be a chance that there's a mismatch. But the goons on the ground are being sent after the lowest hanging fruit. They may be mouth breathing meatsacks, but the ones calling the shots are not.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    I jate to break it to you, but do you think palantir has accurate data? It's ai. It hallucinates by design

    They have your data in data warehouses. They can definitely know if you 100% have a gun based off of your posts with a picture of a gun and some registration data from a breach that leaked, but what if its like 80% confidence? Their confidence is based off massive human-involved assumptions.

    They have the data and theyre trying to sell access to it. Their profit margins arent affected if they are wrong 70% of the time, they make bank when it works that 30% and thats what governments and corps spend millions on. They have no idea how accurate it really is, they are really just guessing off of probabilities. And your inconvenience for being probed and labelled incorrectly? Well that is a price the rich are willing to pay

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    [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    People are already asking how long it will take for an ICE gestapo to get shot

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    So they're illegally entering homes? Nice, we should stop them?

    crickets

    GDI

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago

    People have killed cops and got off free of charge to protect their rights. Cops. Real agents of a legitimate state.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Trump previously: "Take the guns first, go through due process second." (actual quote)

    Trump today: "Take the homes first, go through due process second."

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    They can assert it all they want, it won't stop them from being shot.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Next they'll be breaking into churches and schools, watch for it. Churches used to be considered off-limits, but I'm betting they are only off-limits in the bible belt, not the rest of the country.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Well I have a memo deauthorizing it, it's just as legally enforceable as theirs.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    That explains the lack of willingness to show judicial warrants: there aren't any because fuck you!

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago*

    I'm pretty sure that has the same enforceability legal standing as ICE saying its legal for them to shoot anyone anywhere for any reason.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    The 4th was never more than a suggestion anyway

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    But Hunter Biden's laptop.

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  • 11 comments in c/world view that post
    [–] 24 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Isn't there a literal constitutional amendment that protects against precisely that?

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago*

    Holy crap. Todd Lyons is a motherfucking traitor to sign this document.

    https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/26499371-dhs-ice-memo-1-21-26/

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    Time to bring back State militias.

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  • 4 comments in c/politics@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Memo be damned, this clearly violates the 4th amendment,

    Fourth Amendment

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    But the other branches of our democracy are captured and complicit in this disregard for the rule of law. It explicitly says people/person not citizen, not legal person, not law abiding citizen or person, just a person has this right no other qualifiers. My fear is if the rule of law continues to crumble as fast as it has over this past year, shit is going to get extremely ugly and I fear what this means for my country. It's clear that protesting only isn't doing it and I fear again that elections aren't going to solve this problem.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Just saying that ISIS used this scenario to their advantage in the past. Just saying.

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    [–] [S] 7 points 9 months ago

    Again, trump needs to be held accountable for this. Trump and the R's are either telling them to do this or are okay with this. You can't say ICE is doing its own thing when you are directing them to do this trump.

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