These offer customization like colors, text styling and positioning and are used to distinguish who is speaking or for karaoke subs and are now potentially being lost forever.

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[–] 61 points 9 months ago (4 children)

Didn't crunchyroll recently do something similar?

Wtf is going on, what do companies have against fancy subtitles

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  • [–] 31 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Crunchyroll subtitles are absolute dogshit now. I am mad enough to cancel my account. Fucking sad that pirating will get me a better product than the one I was paying for.

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  • In the past my mom pirated anime while still paying for Funimation, because they had a quality service that got simuldubs and had a lot of content. Then CR bought them oit and now were stuck with this "pay for the highest tier to get all the content and no ads" and "oh it's only on our platform until March!" and "Oops we didn't even port over all the shows on Funimation, sorry lol!" and "Oh, like the AI generated subtitles?"

    We will not be giving CR a single fucking penny. I'm close to finishing my home/media server and we'll just watch that way or with Kodi.

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  • [–] 116 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    Dammit, it was very useful to poison subtitle files for AI !

    Write immense amounts of garbage text outside the viewport. AI sees it, viewers don't ! I believe there's even a way to prevent screen readers from getting confused by it... It was great.

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  • [–] 61 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    "Why did they take that feature away? I was busy abusing it!"

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  • [+] 55 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)
  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I wouldn't fuck ai. You won't know what STD you get because it'll hallucinate every symptom you both have.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    This shouldn't be a problem because YouTube shouldn't have AI, it shouldn't have shorts, it should just be a place to watch normal videos made by real people ideally with an algorithm that promotes quality content

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago

    Because God forbid using anything other than their own generated subs. Or to have options.

    If that's a push to their AI systems, while AI has its uses, when coincidences or fuck ups are too consistent, it may not be either anymore. And thus it feels like Google is trying to tarnish AI to the point even supporters move away from it.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    I have random issues with youtube subtitles in general. I often watch foreign language videos, occasionally for learning. Except sometimes whilst they work in the video’s language, the translations don’t…until I reload the page, or quit the browser. Or on specific computers which never have issues. 🤷‍♂️

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    While I'm not quite sure about the exact reasons for the removal, here are some probable guesses:

    • it's a bug
    • the unsupported, internal format - that allows for pretty much everything - is in some way exploitable
    • It's getting replaced by something better/standardized as the current solution doesn't seem to always work properly in YT's apps
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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    On the last point, it's probably not for something better or standardized, It's gonna be to push the AI captioning and dubbing.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What have auto-generated/AI caption contents to do with the general format captions???

    YT has auto-generated captions now for years, so why would they remove an unsupported, internal format because of that?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    the unsupported, internal format - that allows for pretty much everything - is in some way exploitable

    It prevents AI summaries of the video from including all the video content. Obvious solution: remove the information missing from the summary from the video itself. Now they match! /s

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  • [–] 22 points 9 months ago

    AI for you!

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    f4mi made a video about them last year. never knew they were a thing.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    Oh this sucks hard, The Glorious Octagon is going to be ruined.

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  • [–] 43 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    > Use UNSUPPORTED subtitle format instead of one of the other 10 supported ones

    > Fast forward some time

    > YT disables and removes the UNSUPPORTED format

    >

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago* (2 children)

    While that's true, it clearly worked and massive channels used it. So why is YouTube's avoiding any responsibility and trying to kill it as quickly and silently as possible? Like, I get that sometimes you'll have to drop support for things (even things you unofficially support), but there should be a phase out period during which people can either backup and re-upload videos with those captions to preserve them. They could and should honestly provide a heads up for that or even help them out.

    Now they are literally decimating people's hard work and on top of that pissing off actual partners. Not saying it will be successful, but cutting into people's business like that is the kind of thing you can get sued over. So it doesn't even make sense to take that risk from what we know.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    More like unofficially supported. The fact that they worked points to the fact that they were quite literally supported.

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    [–] 9 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Kronii_but_why.mp4

    This is just intentionally making their platform worse, wow.

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  • [–] [S] 3 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    One of the many ways, yes. It's a shame it's probably not economically feasible or convenient for Cover to have their own streaming platform (peertube? 🤔)

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Personally I think it would be economically feasible for them, probably not convenient to switch because they would lose a lot of visibility, but having a mirror site (and, especially, a mirror place to superchat dodging Youtube's cut) would be a genius move with their current market share, imo.

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  • [–] [S] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It depends where the majority of revenue for them comes from, superchats or YTads, honestly I don't know. If it's ads, it wouldn't be a good idea to abandon YouTube (then again, I wouldn't mind ads on 'CoverTube' if they weren't too many)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago*

    I heavily doubt it's ads, channels whose majority of the audience mainly watches livestreams usually get very little from them. And they make a TON of money from superchats (and membership!) compared to the average streamer, so I'd assume the divide is even bigger.

    The main reason why abandoning Youtube as a whole might be detrimental is for the visibility. You get a lot less new users if you spin a new platform, it's a move you can afford to make only if you know your current audience is enough to be self-sustainable.

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