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[–] 255 points 9 months ago (8 children)

"No one else Google things the same way as me."

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  • [–] 75 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I used to unironically be low-key proud of my googling skills. Before google got so crummy, at least.

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  • [–] 35 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    And honestly you can be better at writing prompts and be proud of that too, but given that AI is built entirely on using other people’s work, you’re not allowed to be upset about people using it. Don’t post them publicly if you really care.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Fond of google 2000-2005 (ish).

    Back before enshitification, when could use extra criteria to reliably filter and refine the search, and could go dozens of pages deep into search results. Back before it got nerfed and censored.

    Now have to wrestle a dozen different websearch engines.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    There used to be a strategy to it. Simply googling several specific and relevant keywords would get you incredibly good results. Nowadays, you're honestly better off typing out a whole question and hoping the bullshit Ai answer has good sources you can click on.

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  • [–] 80 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    There's people on Youtube who teach you how to take a video's transcript, use it to generate an AI video and upload it to Youtube.

    And they're upset people are taking transcripts of their videos, generating AI videos and uploading them.

    Just... Just take a minute to contemplate that. It's amazing.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    Yep.

    I saw a vid not long ago going over some of the drama involved in that, a few specific people.

    We've gone past no self awareness into levels of negative self awareness that... are basically just actually breaking the fabric of semantic reality.

    ... Its another good day to be an absurdist.

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  • [–] 76 points 9 months ago* (7 children)

    its called vibe vibing ... and if you aren't vibe vibing I don't even want to talk to you about vibe vibe vibing

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

    Meta-vibing is the new meta for achieving the perfect vibe, while vibing out your new metas, all at the same time.

    Also: Buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo buffalo.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Uh, sir, the entire Greek language is now the intellectual property of mark zuckerberg. You owe him a trillion dollars for using that word.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    Aha!

    But I had already downloaded all existing writing that has ever been done in the Greek language, to train my own for profit LLM, thus I am a legitimate businessman, not a pirate, and it is actually Zuck who is violating my IP!

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  • [–] 65 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    This is bait. She's trying to lure sloppers into checking her posts. Someone is stealing her prompts? Oh boy, they must be really good then!

    Anything to get them clicks.

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  • [–] 56 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    This has got to be satire. Please tell me it is... Pleaaaase.

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  • [–] 110 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    People thinking they're AI experts because of prompts is like claiming to be an aircraft engineer because you booked a ticket.

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  • [–] 61 points 9 months ago (8 children)

    I have had in person conversations with multiple people who swear they have fixed the AI hallucination problem the same way. "I always include the words 'make sure all of the response is correct and factual without hallucinating'"

    These people think they are geniuses thanks to just telling the AI not to mess up.

    Thanks to being in person with a rather significant running context, I know they are being dead serious, and no one will dissuade them from thinking their "one weird trick" works.

    All the funnier when, inevitably, they get screwed up response one day and feel all betrayed because they explicitly told it not to screw up...

    But yes, people take "prompt engineering" very seriously. I have seen people proudly display their massively verbose prompt that often looked like way more work than to just do the things themselves without LLM. They really think it's a very sophisticated and hard to acquire skill...

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    "Do not hallucinate", lol... The best way to get a model to not hallucinate is to include the factual data in the prompt. But for that, you have to know the data in question...

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    "ChatGPT, please do not lie to me."

    "I'm sorry Dave, I'm afraid I can't do that."

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago* (3 children)

    That's incorrect because in order to lie, one must know that they're not saying the truth.

    LLMs don't lie, they bullshit.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It's incredible by now how many LLM users don't know that it merely predicts the next most probable words. It doesn't know anything. It doesn't know that it's hallucinating, or even what it is saying at all.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    One things that is enlightening is why the seahorse LLM confusion happens.

    The model has one thing to predict, can it produce a spexified emoji, yes or no? Well some reddit thread swore there was a seahorse emoji (along others) so it decided "yes", and then easily predicted the next words to be "here it is:" At that point and not an instant before, it actually tries to generate the indicated emoji, and here, and only here it falls to find something of sufficient confidence, but the preceding words demand an emoji so it generates the wrong emoji. Then knowing the previous token wasn't a match, it generates a sequence of words to try again and again...

    It has no idea what it is building to, it is building results the very next token at a time. Which is wild how well that works, but lands frequently in territory where previously generated tokens back itself into a corner and the best fit for subsequent tokens is garbage.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago*

    Reminds me of the very early days of the web, where you had people with the title "webmaster". When you looked deeper into the supposed skillset, it was people that knew a bare minimum of HTML and the ability to manage a tree of files?

    I'll never forget being at an ATM and overhearing a conversation between two women in their 30s behind me - the one woman tells the other - "I've been thinking about what I want to do and I think I want to be a webmaster". It just sounded like a very casual choice and one about making money, and not much deeper than that.

    This was in 1999 or so. I thought - man, this industry is so fucked right now - we have hiring managers, recruiters, etc...that have almost no idea of the difference in skillsets between what I do (programming, architecture, networking, database, and then trying to QA all of that and keep it running in production, etc.) and people calling themselves "webmasters".

    Sure enough, not long after, the dotcom bubble popped. It was painful for everyone (even people that kept their distance from the dotcom thing to an extent) without question, whether you had skills or no. But I don't think roles like "webmaster" did very well...

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  • [–] 45 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    Is there something like "r/SelfAwareWolves" on Lemmy? "Creating your own prompts is actually easier than copying someone else's work!" so close yet so far from self awareness...

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  • Wow ! How could you believe in yourself after writing this

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Ragebait. For my sanity it must be.

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Based on my own in person experience with some LLM fanatics, I think this is quite probable. I've heard very sincere feedback from people that think they are amazing because they have "advanced prompt engineering" skills. They think "prompt engineer" will be a very selective job in and of itself and think they have an edge. They think they will be able to work on any field because the LLM will take care of domain specific stuff and their "rare mastery" of prompts will be the hot skill.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    I hate the title creep of adding engineering to fucking every title [*] - and it's not all that new, but "prompt engineering" is really far up there in the hubris of calling that "engineering". There might not be anything overseeing the other title inflation I mention below - no real certification process or governance at all, basically - but at least in most cases, these people had to really work at what they do and learn quite a lot. I bet most people can call themselves a "prompt engineer" after sitting through a few videos on Youtube or Udemy, LOL.

    [*] No one is a tester any more, oh, no, they work in "quality engineering". Not even the title QA is grandiose enough. Same for programming - people aren't just coders or programmers, oh no, they are software ENGINEERS. Same for working in operations or sysadmin, no one has that title, it's site reliability ENGINEERING.

    I assure you that REAL engineers that actually have the degrees and had to take exams like EIT and then work years under a real engineer to get their PE as a real engineer get a bit salty about all this title inflation. They did all this work and are suddenly neck-deep in "engineers" that are anything but. I get why they get annoyed, believe me. Someone teaches themselves something in the latest Javascript framework and a few weeks later is calling themselves a software engineer, LOL.

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  • [–] 33 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    this has to be satire xD

    ...right? right?? 😭

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There's no way this is real. Even they can't be that far gone right?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago

    What's next? Getting mad at the grocery store because other people are buying the same things you do?

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  • [–] 28 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Am I naive for thinking this is satire? Maybe there's some optimism left in my little heart.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago
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    Oh no, someone is copying the messages I'm posting online!

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago

    This is satire, right?

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Easy solution here: just have AI write your prompts for you!

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago

    Integrity from a LLM that steals data from everywhere to build its database.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    “Amira” is a pretty female sounding name

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  • [+] -13 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Does not give you the right to assume their gender.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Didn't the first commenter assume it, and in a far more statistically wrong way?

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Is this a thread of bots or something? There's a photo of her in the post.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes. All the bots become pretty obvious when you start paying attention.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Me choosing to mention the name and not the photo doesn't make me a clanker.

    That being said, she uses the same photo on her 5 picture Instagram account, which also shows an article she wrote that contains the same photo again!

    So very likely that she isn't a person, but some GenAI driven sock puppet account.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Must be satire. If creating something was easier than plagiarizing, there wouldn't be entire industries that revolve around detecting plagiarism.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    "make your own prompts" misses by one step. Use of AI robs you of the opportunity to learn/practice/hone your skills in a certain area. why would someone use ai for any reason other than to get out of having to learn something? do you expect llms to be the best source of how to learn [blank]? which [youtuber/podcaster/old bridgetroll/televangelist/fascist/fishnet chat lightbulb] would you suggest explains [blank] better because frankly at this point i'm fucking invested.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)

    Use of AI robs you of the opportunity to learn/practice/hone your skills in a certain area. why would someone use ai for any reason other than to get out of having to learn something?

    This is not really a good argument against AI. Almost everything ever invented was invented to avoid doing something else that would take more time.

    Why would anyone use animation software other than to avoid learning to draw your frames in sequence?

    Why would anyone use a loom other than to avoid having to learn how to weave?

    Why would anyone read a book other than to avoid learning by experience and experimentation?

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  • [+] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (2 children)

    Look, I don't want to be in a position of defending the plagiarism machines that are burning the world's forests whilst simultaneously somehow using all of the world's fresh water, but come on. The vast majority of people who are using AI image generation are not people who would otherwise have been involved in the creative process.

    They are people who want to avoid learning Photoshop (reasonable - it takes a long time to learn, which may or may not be worth it given what you want to do, and also Adobe sucks shit) or want to avoid paying someone who knows how to use Photoshop (understandable - and would obviously be worth consideration if it weren't for all of the other problems with AI).

    When you attack AI on the basis of it making people lazy - rather than any of the other things that are wrong with it - it just comes across as "Luddite". (Which is ironic, given that Luddism was originally about machinery resulting in worse working conditions for skilled workers, which is one thing AI actually will do.)

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I’m a senior full-stack developer of 15 years, and more recently, a new tech lead (specifically a Systems Architect) at an AI startup. I’m definitely not attacking AI as a concept in general.

    I, too, am a developer of closer to 15 years than I'd like to admit to myself, though mostly embedded and/or back-end. And while I have no problem with AI in its broad sense (obviously machine learning/spicy statistics, computer vision, and natural language processing and whatnot have potential to be enormously useful), I am generally hostile to generative AI. I thinking using copyrighted material as training data without the copyright holders' permission should be banned. And while I would have no objection to ethically-trained models in a hypothetical future where we have abundant clean energy to run the data centres and also all the new desalination plants we would need, that also remains a problem, and so I have resisted using such tools at work, too.

    Now to generative AI (for the multimedia substrate)...

    I agree with everything you've said after this point.

    No. What I’m judging them for is delegating their critical thinking capacity to an external entity, and stunting their own cognitive growth (their literal reason for existing in the first place, their continuity mechanism to stay in the gene pool, and their sole means of improving at being long-term lazy) by being short-term lazy. Makes sense?

    This is the crux of my problem. I find it to be overly judgemental. If you're self-employed and you need a website for your business or whatever, then you could pay someone to do it for you, but then you only have so much money in the budget. You could also learn how to code and/or graphic design and do it yourself, but then you only have so many hours in the day. If vibe coding produced something viable for you in the quickest, cheapest way, then that is obviously the rational and sensible thing to do. You might even spend the time learning something else instead that is more relevant to your interests.

    Using generative AI to do something doesn't (necessarily) mean that you don't value the knowledge or skills required to do it the hard way, it only means that you value it less than something else that you might otherwise be doing with your time, and I don't think that is a moral failing.

    As an example, I occasionally like to a bit of shitposting. Were it not for all those other things that I don't like about generative AI, I would probably be generating AI slop memes with the best of the them. As it is I mostly just stick to text-based comments with bad puns and references to song lyrics no-one will remember. I could put in the hours to learn how to use GIMP so I could do it without AI, but quite frankly I have books on the go, I've got a couple of musical instruments to learn/practise, and I spent all day at my software job, where I think critically (or so I claim), so I'd rather being doing those things instead. I don't think I have neglected my cognitive growth; I've just chosen to focus it on something different to what you might have.

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  • [+] 1 point 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)
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    Right, because you don't believe art has value or requires thinking. It's essentially worthless to you.

    What people with a critical eye for art can tell you is that the art also has well-defined tasks with explicit perimeters and rules, and generative AI produces uncreative slop that looks amateurish if you have an eye for art. It's pretty typical for people to believe generative AI is better at tasks that they, personally, know nothing about - it's a Dunning-Kruger machine.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    But...

    If you know how to draw frames in sequence, you'll be better at using the animation software.

    If you know the intricacies of weaving, you'll be more efficient with the loom.

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  • [–] -2 points 9 months ago* (5 children)

    LLMs are a pretty good tool to summarize any subject, or present it with different words or in a different approach... They are a statistical word predictor tool after all.

    So yeah, if you understand that LLMs:

    • don't possess intelligence;
    • they are just reproducing patterns from the training material used;
    • it's impossible for them to contain ALL "knowledge" from the training material;
    • the "context" provided directly influences the response

    Then, I'd say that LLMs can be used as a very good facilitator to learn about almost any subject that has already been documented in any word format in almost any language.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    LLMs are a pretty good tool to summarize any subject

    They're not even good at that.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    It feels like as the models were iterated on they got worse at it over time. I wonder if it's because of all the guard-railing and internal censorship etc.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    It's just a messy process, it's purely based on probability, I don't think it'll ever get good, people were just being lied to. Don't forget that they relied on "confirmatory bias" and "selection bias" from the users as well.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    your bulleted list has me suspecting you used an llm to write this. TRAITOR

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  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I have never used a LLM to write any of my comments on the internet, neither here nor in any social network I have an account. And about the bullet points, in places that accept MarkDown similar syntax I tend to use bullet points because it's a feature that helps lay out the ideas in a good formatting for the reader when there's enumerations, lists, or similar things involved.

    But yeah, you will never find comments of mine in, lets say, Instagram, with bullet points, because the editor of the app there sucks, you would have to type your comment in a external app which creates the bullet points characters already in a newline (you cannot even normally break lines in Instagram comments lol, it's really unsanitary haha), and I ain't gonna do that.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Isn't this a bit counterintuitive considering the nature of AI 😑

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    "Stop using everyone's words in the order everyone uses them; they are my words, and they are my order".

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago

    It's worse than your typical creative claim on copyright of something like a poem - because prompts are by definition functional more than creative, and typically contain too few purely expressive elements to meet creative height. They managed to put prompts in a worse position than boilerplate code in terms of protection, lol

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