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[–] 42 points 9 months ago (2 children)

It's useful for them to have a presence because it helps drum up anger at them. Did you see the shit on twitter where the official twitter of DSHS posted a pic of a tropical paradise with the caption America after 100 million deportations? Notably nobody believes there are 100M undocumented immigrants or even 100M immigrants period. 100M is the number of non-white people in America.

They literally said America will be great after we implement the final solution to the brown people problem. Hard to beat them calling themselves nazis. I say let them speak. Let people hear their hate so nobody has any illusions about who we are up against.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago* (4 children)

    Wellllll... In principle verification is not in itself an endorsement by the platform
    In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentation

    In practice, I don't fucking care, abolish ICE, fuck everyone who bows to them, platforms aren't obligated to be the mouthpieces of clearly fascist governments

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (3 children)

    In principle platforms should verify government entities, given sufficent documentation

    Why?

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I mean, you can't really have accounts, pretending to be the president of the US, making joke tweets, and having people believe them. In that sense, verification is reasonable.

    But yeah, Bluesky shouldn't be letting these freaks anywhere near their platform

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    If the platforms are (or pretend to be) politically neutral, then that's what they should do - just make sure the accounts that are being created are what they're being purported to be.

    As I said, that's bare minimum. Next comes a lot of risk mitigation. Some common sense risk mitigation.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    Its getting harder and harder to find a bar not full of Nazis

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    If you think about it, the USA is a Nazi bar.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    There are Nazis in America and rather than leaving the "bar", Americans stick around.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Yeah, you're right. Maybe we can go door to door and ask some questions to verify who is and who isn't a Nazi. Then, once satisfied, we can group them into camps for easier management - away from common society.

    Does that sound good so far?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, there are Nazis all over the world. That wasn't your initial point. You said that America is being filled up with Nazis. I dont like MAGA not Nazis, but I do have the cognition needed to understand that MAGA and Nazis aren't the general population in America. I don't know why you have the need to spread this fear and lies.

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  • [–] 44 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You mean Jack Dorsey? He left in 2024 and deleted his account. He still gave Trump and Musk a platform, though so I have no doubt he would have approved this if he still was with Bluesky today.

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  • [–] 21 points 9 months ago*

    I can't find icegov on Bsky

    Must already be on a moderation list I'm subscribed to

    EDIT: Yep. It is.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    That account is not visible on Bluesky now.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    They were added to block lists if you subscribe to any of those.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (5 children)
  • [–] 71 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I could never get used to that sort of app. Be it Twitter, bsky, or even mastodon. If I follow people, my feed gets so much content that I consider spam.

    Say, there is a person that is awesome and occasionally posts interesting things. But also posts random spammy stuff, like "just took a shower. I feel so clean!". Why am I wasting my time reading that sort of content?? I think there are 0 people in the world from which I want to read 100% of their content. Maybe very very very few. So, it doesn't make much sense to follow people, and then waste hours scrolling content about which I don't care.

    I could follow tags, but they still get so much spam and so I still have to scroll and scroll..

    It is just not for me.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    Hasn't these microblog services not just become an outlet for famous people i.e. actors, singers, models, politicians, influencers etc. and even government to post stuff? In some countries even the police use these platforms to communicate to the public even before using other outlets.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    You can put your follows onto lists you can group by category on mastodon. My feed is literally my own posts and Technology Connections. If I want to see anyone else I follow I have to manually visit the lists.

    I do the same on Lemmy. Smaller comms I'll subscribe to, but busy ones (esp meme ones) I just add to favourites so I can check them manually and I don't have an everlasting feed.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    All to further the regimes’ propaganda.

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  • [–] 177 points 9 months ago (25 children)

    Just because an account got verified doesn't mean Bluesky agrees with them

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago

    It means that a little more than it means they disagree with them.

    ICE are masked jackboot thugs illegally deployed to our streets by a psychopathic rapist to punish people who don’t vote for him. If there is ever a time to resist tyranny….

    “Welcome. Let’s see what you have to say” is not an appropriate reaction to their presence.

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  • [–] 55 points 9 months ago* (6 children)

    Verify it, then put a warning along the lines of
    "This is the official profile of a fascistic terrorist organization. Beware."

    Yeah, that makes sense. But why just verify? What non-evil is there that you achieve with that?

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  • [–] 49 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    But why just verify? What non-evil is there that you achieve with that?

    It gives those who're gonna have a field day with those cunts when they start lying, a legit target, and that it's not some asshat that is pretending to be ICE. I'm on bluesky and somewhat delighted they're going to have a presence. I'm gonna have fun ripping them new assholes.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What kind of zinger are you planning to drop that will make the intern running the ice account recoil and quit their job?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    Oh, just general nastiness that befits America's homegrown brownshirts. It won't be for them so much as for anyone else reading their posts.. You just get in front of the lies and call them all out.

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  • [–] 32 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The verification doesn't work like on Twitter, it's just proving the identity, it's not some flag of prominence.

    There's even multiple organizations who can issue verifications on bluesky, for example newspapers can act as verifiers of their own staff;

    https://bsky.social/about/blog/04-21-2025-verification

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    I did understand that :)

    But still: Verifying means you officially acknowledge their existence. And they are horrible pieces of shit; thereby acknowledging their existence should automatically include making the facts visible. There's no reason not to call evil evil.

    EDIT: Also, your comment was well-written and I have no need to actually argue against you. So, do not worry. I do not completely agree with you, but my disagreement is not terribly strong either :)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    When I'm showing people the kind of shit this administration posts as an argument against them, I want to know it's real.

    And I don't want to have to be on Nazi Twitter to do that any more than I have to.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    They shouldn't be allowed onto the platform at all. Don't verify them, ban them.

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  • [–] 20 points 9 months ago (4 children)

    I’d rather the platform not be in charge of who’s allowed to use it. Yeah ICE sucks, but that’s not for the platform to decide.

    If they break the rules of the platform, that’s a different story.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    The platform is always in charge of who's allowed to use it. They already ban people and censor certain types of speech. This is a discussion about where the line is, not if its been drawn at all.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    That's not how any of this works. Bluesky isn't an agnostic protocol like http or a piece of paper. It's a private platform, with arbitrary rules. Arbitrary rules that apparently do not prohibit ice.

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  • [–] -1 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    Yes it does. It means they are okay enough with them to not ban them.

    Surely there are some things that warrant a ban on bluesky. There's some sort of line beyond which you are not welcome. We can infer from this verification that ice is on the safe side of the line.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    I'm sure there's at least one marxist that's verified on bsky, does that mean jack dorsey is a communist?

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    It would mean that communism is acceptable to him. What's tripping you up here?

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (2 children)

    So does that mean Dorsey is a nazbol since he agrees with both communists and fascists? There are neoliberals on bluesky as well, how does that affect our triangulation of his beliefs? I'm not saying you have to agree with how the company moderates its platform, but clearly as far as bluesky is concerned allowing someone to use the platform is not an endorsement of their views. It can't be, because they allow people with diametrically opposing ideologies to use their platform.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Allowing them on the platform doesn't mean a full endorsement of the belief. It means that he (or whoever makes the decision) finds the belief acceptable enough to platform.

    There is likely some line which is too far, and not allowed on the platform. Perhaps "eating live babies"? "Kicking puppies"? Something that is so unacceptable, it would not be allowed. This argument is that ICE and Nazi stuff belongs on the far side. That as a platform owner, you can say "that's not allowed here".

    Allowing one person to say "I think the NY Yankees are the best" and another to say "I think the NY mets are the best" on your platform (eg: website, newspaper, bulletin board) doesn't mean that you personally believe both. But if you let someone post "I think white people are best" and just leave that up, that's saying that's an acceptable message to say. Just harmless like talking about baseball.

    This argument is some positions, like what ICE is doing, is outside the range of acceptable. The platform (a website in this case) should say they have to take that elsewhere.

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  • [+] -8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    Narrator: in fact they did agree with them, for the money was green and did flow and in the end that was all that mattered to them

    Mastodon was always the only real choice

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago*

    Bsky users are mad for saying the truth. They'll find out soon enough when it gets bought by some billionaire. Then, after leaving twitter and bluesky, they go onto birdpoo or something and tell themselves "this time will be surely different!".

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  • [–] 95 points 9 months ago (15 children)

    What's the issue with them being verified..?

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yea i don't get it either, all it means is that they checked and it's run by actual ICE. It's not xitter, they don't get special privileges from it.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    It’s not about verification per se. Since anyone can create an account directly, no BlueSky accounts are necessarily reviewed by BlueSky. Someone could create an account for Nazi pedos who drink blood and you wouldn’t blame BlueSky for that immediately. But if BlueSky came along and said “hm, yes, you are verified” then they have in an explicit way endorsed the account’s ability to exist. Basically the account passed moderation. Since many consider ICE to be an illegally deployed terror force on American soil, it’s you know, a little disappointing to see anyone treat them as a legitimate entity on any level. A democratic president worth his salt will disband the organization on day 1 and sponsor legislation to prevent them ever coming back.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I have trouble with the word endorsed. It's not as if being verified does anything other than provide a guarantee that the people are who they're claiming to be.

    Personally I think it's great that they are so willingly publicly verified. It will be useful evidence that their trials.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago*

    I understand what you are saying. Verification is just about identity - it’s not validation.

    Except it’s about validation on one very basic level. I’ve seen the inside of large social media moderation operations and you are missing one thing. These companies will not verify an account for The Islamic State, no matter how readily they can prove that they are who they say they are. They will not just sit there as a neutral party and say Osama Bin Laden? Looks real to me! They will ban and block and log and report.

    ICE are in open warfare against American civilians and BlueSky just said “yep your id checks out.” They could have said “we will not be a megaphone for a rogue agency waging war on Minneapolis.” As for gathering evidence to hang them with later… their BlueSky tweets are not going to add much to the video footage we have of them killing people in the streets.

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  • [+] -3 points 9 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    No I mean what's the issue with them being verified

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Nazis and their allies should not have a platform.

    When blueksy verifies them, it tells you that bluesky is aware of their presence on their (private, centralized) platform and accepts it.

    Thus, the verification requires allowing them to have a platform.

    Since they should not have a platform, they should not be verified.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They have a platform. It's a podium in the white house. It's having thousands of thugs pillaging, and likely soon raping in your neighborhoods.

    Knowing what they say is relevant.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Block and move on.

    I subscribe to a bunch of blocklists so I’m pretty sure I won’t be seeing their “content” anyway.

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    [–] 21 points 9 months ago (10 children)

    odd that their username is @icegov.bsky.social instead of @ice.gov... i guess nobody on their social media team knows how to configure a DNS record or create a .well-known textfile.

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  • [–] 14 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    You clearly never worked  .gov  and understand the process to get a.gov ATO'ed much less a txt record done correctly.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (6 children)

    Has anyone been able to get bluesky to work on something other than their server?

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    I seem to remember a mention of something like "blacksky" being a small instance that's technically on a different server or...however bluesky actually works. It was mentioned briefly in an article titled something to the effect of "The Myth of a Protocol" where they were going over all the ways the bluesky isn't actually a federated social media form in practice, even if it could technically be described as one.

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    I don't know what the back end looks like, but I see accounts hosted from unique servers fairly frequently. My favorite is @yeag.gay

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    That's probably not a different server. The ATproto allows users to use their website's URL as their handle by essentially adding a text file on their website to prove ownership, but their account is still hosted on the Bluesky servers.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago* (1 child)

    If it's connected to the rest of BlueSky, all of its data to any other servers goes through that of BlueSky's. Even if user on private server A communicates with a used on private server B, the message is routed so that BlueSky's main moderation team can always affect it – they can block it or they could technically even add to it if they wanted to.

    No other servers on BlueSky have that right. Except servers that are completely detached from all servers connected to that of BlueSky. And their separate network has their own central server, then.

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