For fellow Americans living in cities where ICE is active, many people, especially those of Hispanic descent, are already carrying around passports on their persons at all times because they're rightfully afraid of being forcibly disappeared or deported to some random South American country.

A passport card can be obtained for $30 from the Department of State. It is considered exactly equivalent to a passport within the US, but it's the size of a credit card. It is a valid travel document for land and sea travel within North America and the Caribbean. It also counts as a Real ID. The card is good for ten years.

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/need-passport/card.html

Do not do this if you are transgender or have an X gender marker. They will cancel your passport and tell you to apply for a new one with your sex assigned at birth.

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[–] 66 points 9 months ago (4 children)

YSK if ICE thinks you're too brown, they'll just say yours is fake and deport you anyway. It's already happened to US citizens.

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  • [–] 88 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    Lmao it's been shown multiple times that even with a passport shown to ICE they'll just call it fake if they want to abduct you.

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  • [–] 17 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Yup I was going to comment the same. The physical passport might be useful after the fact once you're in ICE holding being processed after x amount of hours/days. But then again at that point they would look you up in their systems so having the physical passport in your wallet may end up being a waste of time anyway.

    The fact is if the ICE goon squad you encounter feels like arresting and detaining US citizens they're going to do it.

    And that's assuming the ICE goons don't make up charges of assaulting them or similar, in which case I'm not sure if those US citizens being charged get released with a future court date or are detained indefinitely.

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago

    It would've been amazing if most of the US had come together, did a general strike, or another massive daily protest like BLM to tell this regime to fuck the fuck off. But instead we step piecemeal closer and closer to something worse. If we didn't resist on Step C, then on to Step D they go.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    This is actually not super common. I was personally stopped by them and I was let go after showing my passport card. Ideally, ICE should not be arresting any citizens, but it happens anyway because they'll hire anyone who can breathe and do a decent seig heil. Nonetheless, a thing that works 80% of the time is still worth having.

    Edit: I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 child)

    It is happening all day, every day. Your one experience is your one experience. You are denying the experiences of, right now, countless others. Every response you have is, “but when it happened to me.” Cool. It might be different for Americans with Somali heritage in MN right now than it was for Americans with Asian heritage weeks ago in Portland. You are telling a whole group of people to deny their eyes, ears, and rational thought because you had an encounter with one agent on one day.

    I appreciate the sentiment of your post, people need to protect themselves and the people around them however they can. But stop this nonsense about how it’s “80%” going to get you out of being beaten and taken to the Whipple building. That’s a number you absolutely made up and keep repeating like it has any validity whatsoever.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    Look, I came into this expecting people to understand that most (arbitrary percentage greater than 50 but less than 100) interactions with anyone, ICE or not, are reasonable. You don't hear about these, because they're not interesting enough to get posted on the Internet. If your information comes from the Internet only, you will think everything is extreme. I don't like to use the term "terminally online", but it's a problem common with people typically described as being "terminally online"—not realising that real life is a lot more boring than it would appear from clips that people share of ridiculous interactions.

    It's always difficult to deal with these types of comments because despite it being obvious that they show an extremity bias because the person who made them has a viewpoint influence by an extremely cherry-picked data set, they technically are logically sound.

    Edit: I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 76 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    Still seems like a hassle to have to pull that out. They should design something that's more outwardly noticeable like a piece of clothing or maybe just a simple armband they can wear over their clothes that signifies they're jewis-I mean legal or whatever.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Apple has been trying to get states/governments to let them add their ID to Apple Wallet for years now. Only a handful of states have complied. I'm not sure if you can add a passport.

    The most common misconception is that a cop will take your phone and have access to all your personal information plus they're in your phone. That's not how it's intended to work (but absolutely can regardless of whether your state supports digital ID). The intended use is much like paying for goods, they hold up a reader, you open Wallet and select your ID, tap your phone to their reader, and they can see all the relevant information. And it's encrypted and all that.

    Of course, I'm talking about cops following procedure, not thugs working directly for Trump.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    I would advise never using your phone. That just cant end well.

    Your phone should never be involved in your interactions with cops. In fact you should literally shut it down to get it in its totally encrypted and hard locked state

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (1 child)

    I agree. I just mean, in theory, that's the way it's supposed to work.

    If I had state ID on my phone and a cop asked for it with the reader, sure, I'll do it. He wants the phone, I'm squeezing the side button five times to lock it so Face ID is disabled. That also prevents data access via the USB port until it's unlocked. And oops, I forgot the passcode. Can't prove I know it, I just use Face ID.

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  • [–] 34 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    If you have to prove you have rights then no one has rights.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago

    Would be a useful tip in a world where ICE follows the law.

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  • [–] 27 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    You think ICE cares? You think ICE even understands that?

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago

    It won't stop them. Immigration and customs already had a large amount of unchecked power prior to this administration, but under this administration there isn't anything they care about. They've been murdering people in cold blood across multiple blue states for a while now.

    Besides that, if people start panicking and trying this then the necessary venues that people have to go to for their first passport(you have to show up in person for your first passport) could become ICE targets or places they stalk. It's not exactly uncommon knowledge that conservatives tend to not bother getting passports either.

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  • [–] 23 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    “This isn’t real” -ICEcuck

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    They've already proven (okay stories but since it's been a few and they have no leeway to think they're better) that proper ID doesn't exempt you. Hell I bet even if their unknown app says you're good they'll still bring you in if they want to.

    Fuck fascist governments and fuck ICE. They're a blight on humanity. Sure we can be that bad but everyone else is supposed to reign them in.

    UN/NATO needs a fascism rule, countries that display enough fascist traits are treated as such, even if they have the biggest penis...I mean military.

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  • [–] 66 points 9 months ago

    My goodness. I can't believe we are living in this era of fascism.

    Good luck United States folk.

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  • [–] 83 points 9 months ago (5 children)

    You should know that you are not required to identify yourself to the gestapo. This post is in un-American.

    The way to combat these idiots is everyone refusing to show identification .

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  • [–] 19 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Apparently ICE doesn't have to look at it.

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  • [–] 18 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Alternate title:

    Give the government $30 to stop violating your civil liberties

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  • [–] 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    I'm 100% not showing my papers.

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  • [–] 15 points 9 months ago

    Having a passport card will definitely make it easier for the deportation official to release you after assault you, put you in handcuffs and take you to the station for speaking Spanish in a Mexican restaurant.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    A REAL ID is also valid proof of citizenship. ICE clearly does not care.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago (9 children)

    You're trolling right? No one should need to unlawfully identify themselves at the bequest of nazis.

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  • [–] [S] 10 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    What should be is not the same as what is.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    What IS is that they don't care about little pieces of paper in your wallet.

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  • [–] [S] -2 points 9 months ago

    I got checked by ICE in Portland and they let me go when I gave them my passport card. Of course, it really does depend on whether you got an agent with an IQ of 90 or an IQ of 70. But it doesn't hurt to have one.

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    This is a difficult thing to respond to. I (Asian, US citizen) have actually been stopped by ICE because I live in Portland, Oregon. I gave them my passport card and they said, "okay, you can go". I then cussed them out, saying "You blind motherfuckers, you aren't even good at being racist; do I look Mexican to you?"

    They told me to fuck off. And I did, after giving them the middle finger and calling them "fucking Blackshirts". But this interaction accomplished what I wanted it to: it (1) caused aggravation, (2) shows them that they aren't welcome and (3) that their presence is not appreciated. In hindsight, I should have stayed and argued to waste their time.

    If I had just refused to do anything the whole time, the most likely outcome was that I would have been taken to the ICE facility in downtown Portland and accosted for a few hours, accomplishing nothing.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    “You blind motherfuckers, you aren’t even good at being racist; do I look Mexican to you?”

    Right... because it was only a problem because you're Asian... the stop would have been fine if you were actually Mexican... gee thanks.

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  • [–] 29 points 9 months ago

    Ysk papers please within boarders is a regime in turmoil.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Colored man reaching for something in his jacket or pants?

    YSK he's about to get shot.

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    [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    I will absolutely refuse any unlawful order to see my “papers”.

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  • [–] 13 points 9 months ago

    This would be more effective if everyone just affixed a symbol to their sleeve.

    Maybe that symbol can be easily recognizable like a star or something. We can even make it bright yellow or gold so it's visible from a distance.

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  • [–] 24 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    YSK: you want to take up as much time as possible (depending on your needs) when talking to ICE. One minute talking to you is one minute they're not teargassing an infant.

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  • [–] 12 points 9 months ago

    Reach for your wallet and get blasted.

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  • [–] 68 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    “YSK you should comply with authoritarian governments”

    Yall are so fucking cooked.

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago (2 children)

    Watch the comments advocating for resisting the fascist takeover and see the excuses and downvotes pour in.

    So cooked.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago

    "You Americans all are cowards for not doing anything against the fascists besides protesting!"

    "okay what do you suggest?"

    "I'm not gonna say! But you 2nd amendment people should definitely think of something"

    "dude I'm not going to travel 1000 miles and shoot the most protected person on the planet"

    "woah where did I say that? Americans are so violent and uncreative! you have to do something along the lines of the French revolution though"

    This same conversation repeated over and over with the same bad faith assholes every day. It gets so very tiring to read.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    Many others have pointed out multiple probably even more important issues with this. I'd just like to add that it's actually $30 to the state department and another $30 to the processing department (like the post office if you take it there) and another processing fee for the photograph.

    Mine was closer to $100 and cannot be used for international air travel.

    So unless you're planning a cruise or a land crossing, this is a $100 fee to try to avoid getting arrested.

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  • [–] [S] 1 point 9 months ago*

    You can take your own photograph or re-use a previous one. It's free to apply through the post office. Just $30 for the fee to issue one. That's all I paid for mine.

    Edit: This is assuming you have a passport book already. If you don't, then yes, there's a $35 acceptance fee.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago

    What a time to be alive.

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  • [–] 26 points 9 months ago (13 children)

    Definitive proof of citizenship won't stop ICE from beating or killing you if you have an accent or non-white skin.

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  • [–] 0 points 9 months ago* (1 child)

    The admin is targeting white people. You might have heard of that white woman executed on false pretense recently, celebrated by leadership.

    Framing as you do is both incorrect and prevents support to fix problems.

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  • [–] [S] -5 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (10 children)

    I am not going to lie and say it's 100% effective. But it most certainly will quickly get you out of ICE's attention 80% of the time when you are not wanting a confrontation at that time.

    Edit: I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 11 points 9 months ago (7 children)

    From what I'm seeing, ICE doesn't give a flying fuck if you have a valid ID or not, they're still going to collar you. Their policy is literally to fuck around first and find out later.

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  • [–] -3 points 9 months ago (6 children)

    That's from the videos that get widely shared.

    95% of interactions are gonna be them being dicks but backing off when they realize you're there legally. The other 5% are gonna be the ones you see.

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (3 children)

    Where do these numbers come from? Internet magic?

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (2 children)

    Look here mate, you and I both know there's probably no empirical evidence whatsoever about this. It's a heuristic based on observations of how law enforcement works and what people choose to post on the Internet. This is like how people post a picture of a deformed boxed pie they bought at the grocery store to complain about it and then you assume that all pies are deformed. No, people only post the bad ones online to complain about it, but if I were to assert that "at least 80% of pies are fine and not deformed" and you choose to reply with "Where do these numbers come from? internet magic?", I think you can see the inherent ridiculousness of that reasoning.

    I really hate that on the Internet you really have to explain to people that the things they see posted there are almost always the exceptions rather than the rule.

    Edit: I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2-3 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 2 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There is empirical evidence, tho. We have numbers for how many people ICE has detained, and how many of those have been legal citizens. And it's a fucking lot.

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  • [–] [S] -1 points 9 months ago

    Yep, I found the evidence. It supports my point of view. I'll paste it below.

    I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    There are many ways to be there legally without being a citizen.

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  • [–] -4 points 9 months ago

    Yeah, and if you have a green card or passport with a visa it's "probably" fine, unless they're having a bad day or whatever.

    I'm not sure about a passport from a visa waiver country though, because no shot ICE agents know that Lithuanians and Singaporeans can be in the US without a visa.

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  • [–] 8 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I’d love to know where 80% comes from. Because I’m in Minnesota and can see what’s happening on our streets. Where are you getting your info from? You sound soooooo sure of yourself and what you are saying contradicts evidence.

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  • [–] [S] 0 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

    It's a guess without any empirical evidence whatsoever. However, the only reason why you believe it "contradicts evidence" is because nobody ever talks about ICE encounters that go down peacefully. People only ever talk about and post about ICE encounters that are outrageous. So all the encounters you have ever heard of will be ones where someone gets wrongfully arrested/beaten up by agents/etc.

    When I saw them, they were checking everyone and arrested 0 people in the time I observed them.

    I should not have to explain to you that what you see on the Internet has a heavy selection bias towards the extreme and that for every one video of something stupid happening there's hundreds more unfilmed of ordinary interactions which aren't interesting enough to get posted at all.

    Edit: I have managed to create a statistic for this. There are 22,000 agents which work for ICE, although this number was 12,000 prior to Trump's hiring surge (source). ICE claims they made 26,600 arrests in 2025 (source). This means each agent makes about 2 arrests per year on average at most. So unless you believe that most agents are checking only three or four people a year, this would indicate most people are being let go.

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  • [–] 7 points 9 months ago

    They can still just detain you because they can steal it or say there’s no way to verify your passport or ID isn’t fraudulent without further investigation so how about you spend a few days or weeks in jail while we sort it out 😉

    But yes it is still a good idea and won’t hurt

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  • [–] 6 points 9 months ago (1 child)

    I regret cheaping out and not getting one when I got my passport given that I'm ineligible for a passport now

    Also per your last paragraph, trans people are unlikely to actually have it go through even if we misgender ourselves.

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  • [–] 10 points 9 months ago

    YSK you can suck me twice

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Everyone should get a passport. You never know if you ever need to travel in an emergency. In addition if Republicans do impose stricter voter ID laws you'll be ready for it.

    But I would very strongly recommend getting the larger passport in addition to the card because the card doesn't let you do as much as the passport book.

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  • [–] 4 points 9 months ago

    ICE is not harassing my area, or even my state that I know of, so there's a possibility I turn out to be a coward but no.

    I'm not required to show documentation even to the actual cops in my state (just to identify myself, which i can do verbally), ICE has no legal power over me and I'm not going to pretend they do. If they shoot me, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ it's not the worst cause to die for.

    (I'm also white, just for context)

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  • [–] 3 points 9 months ago

    I THOUGHT THIS WAS AMERICA - Randy Marsh

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  • [–] 5 points 9 months ago

    Do not do this if you are transgender or have an X gender marker.

    Warnins should probably be bigger and up front, but that's just me

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