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In the Abacus poll, 46 per cent of respondents said they would support Canada becoming a member state of the EU, and 44 per cent said the Canadian government should definitely or probably look into joining it.

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[โ€“] 16 points 1 year ago

As an American, I endorse the idea. It would make it harder for Canada to be attacked, or worse, destroyed by Dogey America. Plus, it would allow the Free States of America to have a potential ally or trading party, better means for non-coms to flee from the conflict, and so forth.

It also works out for Canada, since that means having stronger trade connections with Europe. Considering that Dogey America is going to be an annoying prick and no longer a viable partner, having a solid trade network would help keep Canada prosperous.

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  • [โ€“] 16 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Okay not a direct comparison but if I was playing a Paradox grand strategy game and the neighbor country started getting all fascist / authoritarian, I would want to group with like minded nations for protection. Hey we're already in a defense treaty with them why not make it a more inclusive type agreement? Personally I always felt culturally closer to the UK (yes I know not there anymore) than the US and thought many of our policies mirrored the US due to location and held us back.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago* (1 child)

    if we see the EU and US as two polar opposites I would see the UK as the intermediary for the EU, and Canada be the intermediary for the USA. Realistically though the UK is much more pro-USA than Canada currently. Starmer is so scared of getting the UK back into the trajectory of EU membership, that he actively hurts the UK relations to the EU AND the USA by not picking a side. We don't want the UK as a backdoor for the US to influence our politics again, we want a self-relying and souvereign United Kingdom back. Charles De Gaulle warned us in the 1960's that a english membership would for the most part represent the interests of the americans on european soil. And with Starmer, we are seeing exactly what De Gaulle warned Europe about. So yes, we would love to take the UK back, but not as a puppet state. We already have Hungary and Slovakia being puppeteered by the cunt called Putin that we need to worry about and act upon. Currently I see canadians more as europeans than I see british people

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    Well I was more just meaning when I was growing up and this is going back to the late 80s - 90s. I saw a lot more British television than other European TV (in fact none of other) so didn't exactly have much else to compare it to in the EU that was. From that and knowing they offered some good services such as post secondary education, healthcare etc it felt like a nicer fit for my ideas. Plus the amount of British words we tended to use.

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  • [โ€“] 40 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    I love these "nearly half" declarations of support the media likes to gin up.

    So..."less than half", then?

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago

    Well, you are not wrong. But if you think about it it's still a pretty significant percentage considering Canada is one ocean distant from Europe, and has always had historically relations, economically and politically with the USA, obviously given the fact they share their only border with them. So in my opinion the number gets more weight, maybe. Probably some years ago it was much lower, or they didnt asked themselves the question at all.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 61 points 1 year ago (12 children)

    I mean if Cyprus and French Guiana can join so can Canada if we can meet the requirements. Itโ€™s a political alliance of values.

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  • [โ€“] 28 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    French Guiana is only part of the EU because it's part of France, and even then it needs plenty of exceptions to make it work.

    Cyprus was already aligned with the rest of Europe in economic laws.

    Canada would need to redo half of its laws to join the EU, and Canadian companies would either need to produce two versions of everything or drop the US market altogether.

    It's more realistic to aim for a close bilateral treaty than for membership, at least for next few decades.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago

    Yeah, these opinion polls really should be more taken as a desire to move closer (as the article says). I doubt the people voting actually know everything that joining the EU would entail, but it's still valid as a general "getting closer to the EU".

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  • [โ€“] 14 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    How is Cyprus controversial as an EU member? Because it's far enough to technically be Asia? Still very much European values, language, history etc. It's also only a stone's throw away from the nearest Greek island

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago (2 children)
    • Tax heaven (together with Ireland)
    • Part of the island occupied by Turkiye
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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)

    I mean french guiana is literally a part of france. Its an overseas territory so its handled as an island or whatever not a colony. The most disgusting thing isnt that canada is in north america but that the eu would need to border the usa...

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  • [โ€“] 25 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Not sure how that would work since they aren't on European continent, but then I remembered we have Australia in Eurovision so I'll allow it. Just because Canadians are cool.

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  • [โ€“] 23 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    The EU is already in the Caribbean and South America, might as well be in north too.

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  • [โ€“] 12 points 1 year ago

    As a EU/French I vehemently oppose that idea unless we get to see the Canadian mounted police to parade here on the Champs Elysรฉe, this next 14th July :p

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago

    Itโ€™s been a movement here for over a decade now, surprised support is so low

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  • [โ€“] 24 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I welcome the Canadians into the European Union!

    Is what I would say, but I really, really, REALLY donโ€™t want a border with the US. Russia alone is bad enough.

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  • Full circle

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 1 year ago

    I believe it will be a positive alliance for both Canada and the EU. Canadians are welcome!

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  • [โ€“] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I hope they get to join. Meanwhile, here in the UK, we are further along the Trump path.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Its almost like watching one of those animations of how pangea split into the different continents watching countries seperate and re-form - but politically instead, bringing some countries together and others splitting away.

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  • [โ€“] 15 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    ....and the other half are Quebecois

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago

    Go for it Canada and the EU should send an invitation. Perhaps they should start with EEC membership and later receive full membership. MAGA would shit and f-them.

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  • [โ€“] 11 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Let's start with Schengen zone membership and see how we feel after that. The currency would be a hard sell.

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    The UK was previously a member of the EU without ever having adopted the Euro.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The UK had special dispensation as a founding member of the EU; if they were to return to the EU today, they would have to give up the pound

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  • [โ€“] 8 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

    Step 1: Be USAmerican, non rabid Trump sycophant/cult member variant.

    Step 2: Attempt to gain legal residency in Canada

    Step 3: ยฟ?ยฟ??ยฟยฟ??ยฟ?

    Step 4: I am now European.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I would like the option. Being an American citizen is now like not unlike a soiled piece of toilet paper: Unpleasant and not worth keeping. After all, Project 2025's backers don't give a damn about citizenship or American society.

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  • [โ€“] 7 points 1 year ago* (4 children)

    Ok here's the plan:

    Move to Minnesota.

    Canada joins the EU.

    Minnesota joins Canada.

    Probably not likely to happen or work, but uh... fucking who knows these days.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are a lot of in demand jobs, from nurse to developer if you don't mind working in those specific fields you can skip a lot of those steps.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am unfortunately currently disabled... got maimed, my full time job is PT for myself.

    I do have decent job experience as a software dev, db admin, data analyst... but yeah I am kind of fucked at the moment, legs fucked, barely mobile, wrist is fucked, can't type for more than short bursts.

    The PT is working though, and I have considered various kinds of skilled tech laborer style visa applications... but its all gonna have to wait untill i both figurstively and literslly get back on my feet.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    If Canada joins EU that would make it the union less a European union, not saying I would mind that but we're gonna need a better name. Maybe invite Australia & New Zealand as well. Need to be quick though, before UK snatches them up.

    Hear me out, wild plan: why not free the russians & add that as well.

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  • [โ€“] 9 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    honestly anything but being close to the us. it's bad enough they share a border.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago* (8 children)

    I appreciate the thought and the vote of confidence. Unity against the US would be nice. But, I'm afraid of the US influence in Canada. It's bad enough in the EU, but Canada probably is worse.

    My conditions in order of importance, if I had any power at all, would be (and maybe Canada already has these):

    • no "winner takes all" or first past the post anywhere - single transferable vote or ranked choice voting
    • separation of church and state
    • wealth tax aka "tax wealth, not work", it'll pay for a bunch of the below
    • free public education
    • universal healthcare without stupid deductibles
    • the ability to live without a car in any place with more than 5k people i.e public transport FTW, high speed trains, buses, metros and trams, fuck cars
    • opensource in all public services
    • no deals with the US defence industry (although the EU council just made idiotic concessions)
    • house the homeless
    • state funded TV

    Those are off the top of my head. Given more time, I'd probably come up with more, but I think those are the basic things I'd care about.

    Edit: Yes, I'm aware most EU members don't have this, but Canada could be a lighthouse, guiding the rest of the members. It would probably see a huge influx of Europeans if those things were to be implemented.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago

    Canada is well on our way. Lots of support for proportional representation voting, separation of church and state yes (Canada is much less religious than the states except maybe Alberta), ways of taxing the wealthy through capital gains tax etc, education so free up until university and then tuition is lower for Canadians and federal student loans are at 0% lending, universal health care no dedications already in place. I think Europe might not understand how vast and far Canada is so public transportation can be really challenging but yes cityโ€™s have ok public transportation and better would be great. I donโ€™t know about opensource or defence contracts so I wonโ€™t speak to those. Better housing options for homeless would be great. And we have state funded TV, CBC which weโ€™re very proud of!

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  • [โ€“] [S] -1 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    I agree with your suggestions however ranked choice aka the alternative vote funnels everyoneโ€™s votes to the 2 big parties thus causing less political competition in our politics.

    The winner-take-all ranked ballot system that was being pushed by Justin Trudeau can distort results even more than first past the post.

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago* (5 children)

    Versus FPTP, which funnels votes to 2 big parties, forces strategic voting and discards everyone else's opinions?

    Ranked choice allows the politicians in a country to see what people actually want. There's been countless elections in my country where I'd have voted Green if I knew that vote would then be transferred to the party of my preference, rather than effectively being a vote for the party I like least (as a third party vote is in FPTP).

    If the incoming government knows the only reason they got in was down to a load of transferred green votes, they would be pressured to push for a policy agenda more skewed in that direction and in theory should result in a government more representative of the people that voted for it

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    I would recommend looking at the Norwegian system, where each region elects multiple candidates proportionately to the local votes, and all parties above a certain percentage nationwide shares a pool proportionally as well. It's not perfect, but it gives a sane amount of different parties without the inevitable deadlocks of 100-party systems. The national pool limit can tune the approximate number of viable parties.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 3 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Iโ€™m advocating for the single transferable vote not first-past-the-post. The results show that with the alternative vote the big parties are much more overrepresented in the makeup of the seats in parliament meaning that they will be less likely to listen to you. We need to have the seat makeup match up with the percentage of the votes.

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  • [โ€“] 4 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Just a step on the inevitable road to one world polity. We should really be working out a roadmap to a world where everyone is a citizen of a worldstate with freedom to move, travel and trade freely regardless of where they were born. Basic rights should be protected everywhere by global enforcement, Borders should be administrative niceties and people should be free to migrate to areas which reflect their social and religious preferences in a global freemarket of societies where the most beneficial policies result in people voting with their feet.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    My personal prediction is (if we manage to make it that far) that the world will first start coalescing into supranational states such as the EU and African Union, after which these states will merge into a international superstate. Idk what timeframe this would be in, certainly not within our lifetimes, and who knows what kind of shape they will take on, but I feel like it's inevitable.

    Another thing I was thinking off is that probably all of the world's cultures and languages will merge into one. The reason they exist at all is because of the fact that communication and travel was extremely difficult on any sort of distance thousands of years ago. With the advent of the Internet and faster travel methods, I feel like its only a matter of time before all of the world's cultures melt into each other. I'm sure there would still be minor regional differences, but it's probably gonna be much more uniform than today.

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  • Would it be awesome to be able to move and in the EU? Oh yeah, it would be great. However, the practicality of reality is that either Canada would have to completely overhaul laws and standards to be line with the EU would be absolute nightmare. Either Canada would have to adopt EU standards or gets a carve out making Canada not really part of the EU.

    Alberta and Quebec already hate having Ottawa tell them what to do. Having Brussels have an influence on Canadian life? Even more of a reason to separate. Which means another constitutional crisis for Canada.

    Canada should instead work to build stronger ties with the EU. Trade deals, research coordination, defence policy, immigration, etc.

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    Although Iโ€™d love the Canadians to fly the blue-starred flag and to adopt Ode to Joy as their second anthem (sincerely, we EU-sians have the absolute best anthem in the world), I have two words that will break any chance of this being possible:

    Fishing rights.

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  • [โ€“] -1 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    I'd be hesitant to join if it means giving up monetary sovereignty.

    That's a huge shackle on anything the federal government could do fiscally.

    The idea of gaining protection from us crazy Americans? Totally valid.

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  • [โ€“] [S] 10 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    There are countries in the EU that do not use the Euro. We can keep our loonies.

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  • [โ€“] 6 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Those are typically early joiners who got special conditions. The idea is for everyone to adopt the Euro at some point. (The UK wouldn't have but that's moot since they left. If they rejoin they most likely won't get that special treatment anymore.)

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  • [โ€“] 1 point 1 year ago

    The EU won't push for adoption of the euro when it would hurt the economy though. Yes Canada would lose autonomy over their fiscal policy but only once they agree it would be a win-win in the economic sense. I know there are a lot of situations in which not having that fiscal autonomy sucks (for example when inflation in your country is very different from the overall eu avarage) so I can't say if it would be worth it or not, I am no economist but it'd never be implemented at all costs or rushed because of some agenda.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago

    The only one (left) with a special condition is Denmark. All the other countries must adopt the euro once they reach some conditions (and then you have Sweden who doesn't meet the conditions on purpose...).

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  • [โ€“] -2 points 1 year ago (11 children)

    Love Canada, but European union... is European...?

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  • [โ€“] 10 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    Gotta love it when people think words have some magical meaning that cannot change ever and hold everyone hostage

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  • [โ€“] 3 points 1 year ago (5 children)

    "European union" has a meaning - it is a union of European countries. Not much room in that. It's little different case, than idiotic Eurovision, that has competitors from elsewhere.

    Also how would that work? How would you harmonize the regulations and laws between Canada and EU countries? I'm all for working together, but this idea is truly nonsense.

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  • [โ€“] 0 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I disagree. European Union is a union of countries, named as such because it was founded in Europe.

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  • [โ€“] 2 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    The EU is both an economic and political entity. It has a single market with free movement of goods, services, capital, and people. It also has common policies on trade, agriculture, fisheries, and regional development.

    How would this work with Canada?

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  • [+] -6 points 1 year ago*

    ridiculous.
    To get away from the US they want to join the union of US vasals

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  • [โ€“] -3 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    I don't mind exchanging good ideas and having treaties with Europe, but joining the EU is definitely too far.

    We don't need more super-national organization binding us.

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