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The AI explosion isn't just hurting the prices of computers and consoles – it's coming for TVs and audio tech too (www.techradar.com)
submitted 10 months ago by to c/fuck_ai@lemmy.world
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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.nz/post/33035105

  • The AI-driven memory shortage doesn't just affect PCs
  • More capacity is coming, but not before 2027
  • Low-margin budget products are likely to be hit hardest

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[–] 11 points 10 months ago

Given how chips are (somewhat) the new oil, this will eventually trickle out into every element of the economy. How many computers do your bank, your government, your supermarket, the factories etc... use up on a year to year basis? Many will have fixed price contracts for the next 2-3 years and existing stock for 4-5 more, others will be shit out of luck.

Part of the idea behind trickle down economics was that rich twats don't spend much on consumption as a % of their income, so their impact on inflation is minimal. If AI can't deliver the 10x productivity gains envisioned by venture capitalists (lmao), we're in for a rough few years.

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Bro… EVERYTHING that needs complicated chips on specific nm process will be more expensive. Logically

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    [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    One does not simply post a 3 bullet point summary of something under /c/fuck_ai

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    [–] 143 points 10 months ago (16 children)

    So start making more dumb TVs and speakers. That way they don't need much memory.

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  • [–] 73 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I just want a straight up monitor with no built in wifi or Bluetooth or even speakers.

    Just display the image I want it to when I want it to.

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago

    Literally this. Let me use my own fucking box and my own goddamn pc how I want with big monitor. Also put DP on it fuck HDMI. I don’t need trackers in my bloody tv OS. My tv has an OS!!! That’s ridiculous. Sorry this is one of those things I’ve always been super pissed about.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Man I'm really dreading buying a new TV. Been going strong with my plasma for years. I don't need any "smart" features in a tv. From what I understand you either get a good TV or a "dumb" TV, pick one.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    But a good tv, and don’t connect it to the internet. Apple TV or Shield device.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    televisions of the near future when you first turn them on: "Internet connection and account required to complete initial product set up."

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    My TV channels now come in through an app and just recently it started working on my Nvidia shield, still I can't really disconnect the net from my samsung tv because explaining to my father how to use the tv app is already hard, he would not handle using it through the nvidia shield.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, pretty much. Any decent display on a TV is gonna have all the shit you don't want, but you can (at least for now) just not connect your smart TV to the internet. You;'d have a good TV with the "smarts" neutered. But you're still paying for it.

    It's a bit like the ATSC broadcast stack. You likely aren't using it, but the industry still makes you pay for it (and it's not cheap).

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    • [–] 48 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Here’s an idea.. let’s stop. Let’s just fucking stop with AI?

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    • [–] 38 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Good. Maybe we’ll get dumb TVs again.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Idk, even the oldest HDTVs used RAM, sadly.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    How much, comparatively?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I'm not sure. Current "dumb" TVs do actually exist, just search for commercial TVs. All the major brands make them for commercial applications where the end user has no need for traditional smart apps. Sadly, they cost a bit more (but not by a ridiculous amount) and may not have the latest alphabet soup image tech, but they look fine and work great. They still run an OS, but it's stripped down to the bare essentials, usually just settings and input, not usually any apps. If any apps are installed, they're unobtrusive and geared toward their intended purpose. I've been tempted to buy one, but the larger the TV the wider the price gap. The sweet spot seems to be at 65".

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    • [–] 25 points 10 months ago

    I don't even fucking use the smart TV functions as it is. Fuck all that noise.

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    [–] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    That's the thing I keep telling people around me. It's not only RAM. Too many critical components have ram.

    If you increase RAM, you increase computer prices. (And I'm talking ALL kinds of computer, from microcomputers to desktop to servers)

    If you increase computer prices you increase costs for almost everything

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    [–] 18 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    2027 sounds right. No way these fabs don't know this shit is temporary, so unlikely they'll increase production.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Unfortunately it's the people between the manufacturers and the consumers that think this current iteration of AI is the future. They even seem to think we want it and can't wait to pay them for it.

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    • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    I 'member when headphones were just a copper wire to a magnet dressed in plastic, and none of this garbage required memory. Can we go back to that age? Thanks.

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    And the OEM's are like:

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    • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Question: will AI eventually hurt CPUs? Like memory companies, the TSMC also only have finite production capacity.

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    • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Just like those popular 3d tvs right?

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    [–] 5 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Why do TV's and audio gear use memory? TV's ok I can sort of understand a little, but audio? That's still analog right? Or anyway mostly analog.

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  • [–] 20 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    All digital devices will use some amount of memory. Audio devices are all digital these days and only use a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter) to generate the actual audio waveform from a raw sample stream.

    On something like a standalone audio amp there still has to be the whole backend to store codec information, menus and settings, and a whole host of other controls and audio processing features that are likely implemented on top of a basic OS and not directly written to a microcontroller. There's more memory than you think.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Depends on if you have analog cabled headphones, like the Meze Empyrians or the Philips X2HR Fidelio, then they are analog, but wireless or even digital headphones with USB/Lightning has ram.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    This is probably all like stand-alone Bluetooth speakers and such that have little processors in them. Analog hifi shit isn't going be able to use AI for anything except maybe receivers or something. I guess there might be a use case for using it to balance to a room and set up EQ or something, but these guys don't seem interested in doing anything that would require actual work to develop a real product.

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