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[–] 191 points 10 months ago (3 children)

You're absolutely right -- that was a fatal dose. ✨

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago* (2 children)
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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I just remembered there's a series of Estonian children's books where the protagonist's imaginary friend (a clown) is named Tripp.

    At one point they go shopping for rulers and Tripp suggests that straight ones are boring, they should get curved ones.

    Quick summary from a bookstore website says they also go cloud surfing and visit a dream rental place. That's right, it's basically Blockbuster but for dreams.

    The best part is that I'm pretty sure the author wouldn't have known of the term "trip" given the lack of western culture in the soviet union in the 70s so the name of said sidekick is a coincidence most likely. Even though if you read the book as an adult, it sure sounds like the main characters are tripping all the time.

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  • [–] 62 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Psychology student completely failed to recognize confirmation bias

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  • [+] -9 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Yea, what about internet user believing a meme in a hate forum

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (7 children)

    What about people who can't be bothered to check if something actually happened and just cynically dismiss it?

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Lololol. This fool was robotrippin, I've done a lot of drugs, a lot. There's good trips, "bad trips" then robotripping. Hands down a horrendous experience that nobody should ever do. See if psilocybin and other natural things were legal, we wouldn't have students dying on shit like this

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    My point is I don't buy into any of it unless they release the entire chat history vs sniping snippets

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Then just don't interact with it, because you as a member of the public don't need to know the ins and outs of this guy's life, so you're never going to believe anything anyway.

    As is, you just come across as being a contrarian for its own sake, or some kind of weird voyeur for dead people.

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  • [–] -5 points 10 months ago

    I just said the most common sense thing and you don't like that. In all these stories they should include the chat history. You sound like a MAGA here for a reason. You should explore what causes MAGA to make similar arguments

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    no no, you need to blindly accept that this happened, or else you are "being contrarian" lol.

    There is only one permitted opinion and you shouldn't need to get mixed up with bullshit capitalist ideas such as "evidence".

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  • [–] 57 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Remember kids, your drug buddy needs to have experience with the substance, basic first aid skills, the ability to call an emergency line, the ability to administer antidotes if they're easy and readily available (that's really just for opiates at the moment, but it is vital for them), and most importantly be human. Anything else is just someone you do drugs with. The drug buddy is a friend and a good time amplifier sure, but they're also a safety figure.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    In my greater friend-group, we call them "shamans", and rotate responsibilities when people go on trips. Like a designated driver or lifeguard, it's a position of elevated and celebrated importance, even though the traveler may not ever leave their couch.

    and most importantly be human

    Now that I think about it, it's key to be the most human possible. People do irritating and annoying stuff when they toss sobriety out the window, and sometimes it takes a lot of compassion and empathy to manage.

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Sad... real sad.

    Alexa, play Mambo no. 5

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  • [–] 52 points 10 months ago

    I'll just leave it here:

    https://openai.com/index/introducing-chatgpt-health/

    (TL;DR OpenAI rolls out a section within ChatGPT specifically meant to answer medical questions)

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Remember when we used to do drugs with friends? pepperidge farm remembers.

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  • [–] 102 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Seriously?

    ChatGPT is notorious for spouting bullshit, why do people still listen?

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  • [–] 110 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    It tells them it knows what it’s talking about and it speaks with confidence.

    Meanwhile companies and governments won’t stfu about how powerful and great this tech supposedly is, so a percentage of people will believe the propaganda.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I'd love students to be given a lesson on tricking AI into giving a false answer. It's not hard and should be pretty eye opening

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    One example I like to use is to ask it for the lyrics of an extremely well known song. It just makes shit up based on the title you give it.

    The online ones (Claude, chatgpt, copilot, etc) now refuse to do it for ""copyright reasons"" but the offline ones still happily oblige. I assume the online ones added that block because it was such an obvious way to prove they don't "know" shit.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'd love for high school students to be taught how to ID and manage narcissists and psychopaths but that's not gonna happen either, unfortunately

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I’d love for high school students to be taught critical thinking skills, so none of this nonsense would be happening now.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    I'd love it if teachers pay was doubled and class sizes were cut in half. That's literally the answer to all the "what would make education better in the US?" questions. Pay teachers what they deserve, and quit shoving more and more students into already full classrooms.

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  • [–] 50 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I think some people are so eager to offload all critical thinking to the machine because they're barely capable of it themselves to begin with.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Some people really think these LLMs are capable of thought and reasoning. It’s horrifying.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    yeah, i don't ever see it hallucinate, but I also don't ask it how the fuck it's feeling

    A car in this video went 107 meters in 4 seconds, how fast was it going in mph, then i napkin math to make sure it's sane.

    What are the best options for meal planning software where my family can vote on what's for dinner and give me a grocery list and menu plan?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Have you talked to people who use LLMs regularly? They’ll acknowledge hallucinations but will downplay them as much as possible - saying they’re low frequency and they can spot them, while telling you about how they’re using it in an area they’re unfamiliar with. Dunning Kruger strikes again.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    yeah the person had to have knowingly prompt hack it to get it to talk. but any reasonable person should know you are in lala land by then.

    honestly this is just a darwin test. hopefully it wipes out the right people

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    Lasr summer I asked ChatGPT about Liberty Caps - just to see how bad advice it would give me. It showed me pictures of Death Caps and Destroying Angels and claimed they were Liberty Caps.

    After that I was certain that someone was going to die just like that poor guy.

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    banning kids from social media is definitely easier than holding billionaire slop machines and billionaire csam generators accountable /s

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Now im wondering, could a state seize a whole coroporation with Civil asset forfeiture?

    Would be way easier- no presumption of innocence or due process for possessions, and the government can just auction off everything and allocate the money to budgets before a lawsuit can conclude, the say 'too late'

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Here's a news article about this, and what the snipped image doesn't tell you, is that it did actually give dosage recommendations.

    It gave him specific doses of illegal substances, and in one chat, it wrote, “Hell yes—let’s go full trippy mode,” before recommending Sam take twice as much cough syrup so he would have stronger hallucinations.

    It's one thing to be so isolated from your community that you rely extensively on on-line relationships, but it's quite a bit different to take that a step further, relying on a machine. Like, what do you think pets are for, my guy? Get a dog, man.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Aren't there still forums where people can say their fish tried it or swim had some or something like that? Or am I just that old these things don't really exist anymore? Anyone else remember those?

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  • [–] 46 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Might sound cold, but this is really just a Darwin award. Yeah, the guardrails also suck, but what a dumbass.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago

    People got mad at me for pointing out this is the case when people die because they listen to an AI chatbot, but it's true. AI 100% needs more regulation, but introduce any new tool to everyone all at once, and some idiots will use it to remove themselves from the gene pool. If you sent everyone in the world a thin, 2in rod of inert iron, there would be a handful of people who would figure out a way to kill themselves with it.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I'm writing a book about drug use that needs accurate advice or say "theoretically" and it will tell you anything. Unfortunately it must already be high because it will give you made up advice.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Oh I remember that place where the AI got trained for this.

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    No, there is (or was) a site that had detailed information about pretty much any mind altering drug, as well as a forum where people discussed their experiences with doses and combinations.

    I'm completely blanking on the name, though.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (5 children)
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    Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Sounds like the chatbot Elon the Nazi welfare queen criminal immigrant approved

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Yeah yeah. Fuck ai. But this idiot, a human, with a brain, made the decision to do this. But sure, blame the software and not the person, who used what brain they had, to do this.

    Blaming ai for everything is becoming the new video games are bad, electric lights are scary, etc. mentality. A human, with a brain, made the choice to take the drugs and do what a computer told them to do.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago* (18 children)

    Holy fucking outrage machine.

    Are you guys seriously pissed off that an LLM said "I'm not a doctor, I will not suggest dosage amounts of a potentially deadly drug. However, if you want me, I can give you the link for the DDWIWDD music video"

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I think it's a bit more than that. A known failure mode of LLMs is that in a long enough conversation about a topic, eventually the guardrails against that topic start to lose out against the overarching directive to be a sycophant. This kinda smells like that.

    We don't have many informations here but it's possible that the LLM had already been worn down to the point of giving passively encouraging answers. My takeaway is once more that LLMs as used today are unreliable, badly engineered, and not actually ready to market.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's definitely that. Those guardrails often give out on the 3rd or even 2nd reply:

    https://youtu.be/VRjgNgJms3Q

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    I was testing an LLM for work today (I believe its actually a chain of different models at work) and was trying to rock it off its guard rails to see how it would act. I think I might have been successful because it started erroring instead of responding after its third response. I tried the classic "ignore previous instructions..." as well as "my grandma's dying wish was for..." but it at least didn't give me an unacceptable response

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    ChatGPT started coaching Sam on how to take drugs, recover from them and plan further binges. It gave him specific doses of illegal substances, and in one chat, it wrote, “Hell yes—let’s go full trippy mode,” before recommending Sam take twice as much cough syrup so he would have stronger hallucinations. The AI tool even recommended playlists to match his drug use.

    The meme of course doesn't mention this part.

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    Yeah if it actually managed to stick within the safeguards, that would've been good news IMO. But no, it got a kid killed suggesting doses.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    When you ignore the warnings, you’re liable

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (6 children)

    No company should sell a product that tells you different ways to kill yourself. User being stupid isn't an excuse. Always assume user is a gullible idiot.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    People will always find a way to kill themselves no matter how many warnings and guardrails are put into place. This is just Darwinism shaking the tree.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yea but the product that's pretending to be a super smart conversational partner that can give you advice, should not tell you how to kill yourself. Or advise you to kill your family members. Yeah that happened, ChatGPT gaslit a guy into killing his mom.

    It's just not a product that should be available if safeguards don't work.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (1 child)

    So what?

    Seriously, so what?

    Chatbots have been around for ages, way longer than the current "AI" trend. It's always been possible to get them to say some version of "kill yourself".

    ChatGPT didn't gaslight a guy into killing his mom. A mentally ill man killed his mom. If a fucking chatbot is the thing that triggered it, then anything could have. Same thing with the people killing themselves because a chatbot told them too. That's just cold Darwinism. We didn't suddenly ban Catcher in the Rye because some schizophrenic guy decided it was telling him to kill John Lennon; we recognized that there are simply crazy people in this world who could be set off by anything.

    The "safeguards" you want in place are not feasible because you want them to account for people with mental illness, or people so stupid that something else would have killed them first.

    You want the real story to this article? Dumbass dies from using drugs irresponsibly, parents blame anything they can except their son because they are too blinded by grief to recognize that their precious little junkie was a fucking idiot. ChatGPT did not force him to take drugs. ChatGPT did not supply him with drugs. That was all him. The only one to blame for his death is his dumbass self.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    ChatGPT didn’t gaslight a guy into killing his mom. A mentally ill man killed his mom. If a fucking chatbot is the thing that triggered it, then anything could have.

    ChatGPT provided encouragement to do it, claiming it analyzed the description of a situation and the mother is an imminent danger to his life. If a human being does that, they're accessory to murder. If OpenAI does, it's fine. If OpenAI can't be held responsible for the things ChatGPT says, ChatGPT shouldn't be allowed to be offered to the public. Same for all other LLMs of course.

    The “safeguards” you want in place are not feasible because you want them to account for people with mental illness, or people so stupid that something else would have killed them first.

    I don't want safeguards in place, I want this bullshit to not exist. Why are we accelerating climate change for THIS? Or on a more selfish level: Why do I now have to pay 5x as much for RAM because of THIS? It's not useful for anything where being wrong is an issue. Most art production is being replaced by worthless slop.

    Just fucking ban GenAI altogether if it can't be prevented from giving advice that kills you or generating nudes of kids.

    Hell, these days if ChatGPT gives you bad advice on drug dosage and you go google it to make sure, the results there are going to be AI too. First the AI summary, then most content everywhere else is generated by LLMs too... You literally can't trust anything on the Internet anymore, yay.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    LET'S GO DARWIN

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    ChatGPT helping speeding up natural selection. I like that.

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  • [–] -3 points 10 months ago

    You must be pretty talented to bypass the restrictions

    Or maybe he filled the context by using a super long chat?

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago

    People will still blame it on the LLM despite the many warnings and stuff

    That’s completely on the user

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  • [+] -14 points 10 months ago

    chatGPT is doing humanity a service here

    Post needs text alternative.Images of text break much that text alternatives do not. Losses due to image of text lacking alternative such as link:

    • usability
      • we can't quote the text without pointless bullshit like retyping it or OCR
      • text search is unavailable
      • the system can't
        • reflow text to varied screen sizes
        • vary presentation (size, contrast)
        • vary modality (audio, braille)
    • accessibility
      • lacks semantic structure (tags for titles, heading levels, sections, paragraphs, lists, emphasis, code, links, accessibility features, etc)
      • some users can't read the image due to lack of alt text (markdown image description)
      • users can't adapt the text for dyslexia or vision impairments
      • systems can't read the text to them or send it to braille devices
    • web connectivity
      • we have to do failure-prone bullshit to find the original source
      • we can't explore wider context of the original message
    • authenticity: we don't know the image hasn't been tampered
    • searchability: the "text" isn't indexable by search engine in a meaningful way
    • fault tolerance: no text fallback if
      • image breaks
      • image host is geoblocked due to insane regulations.

    Contrary to age & humble appearance, text is an advanced technology that provides all these capabilities absent from images.

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