Denaturalization is a tactic heavily used during the McCarthy era and one that was expanded during the Obama administration and grew further during President Trump's first term. It's a tool usually used in only the most serious and rare of cases: dealing with Nazis or war criminals.

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I hate living in a fascist state.

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  • [–] 10 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    Henry VIII broke his nation's close ties with the most powerful political force of his day (the catholic church) to get rid of his own wife. Could trumps actions be stealth campaign to get rid of Melania? /s

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    [–] 94 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Calling it right now: Mamdani's primaries win made this a priority and they wanna try to pressure him into stepping down, or just revoke his citizenship.

    Any other citizens they hurt along the way are just little treats they give themselves for being such good little boys and girlsnon-boys. ^(Gotta protect that research funding)^

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    While I don't disagree with your sentiment, this memo was sent on June 11th, before the primary.

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    GREAT! WAY TO PROVE ME WRONG AND SHOW THAT YOU KNOW HOW TIME WORKS! EVERYONE LOOK AT HOW SMART THETETRAPOD IS, KNOWING THINGS AND STUFF!

    For serious, though, good catch and thanks for calling me out on that. I was so hellbent on my rationalization that I didn't even consider that things could have happened in a different order or that dates could have had meaning. As much as I like to fly off the handle, I really appreciate y'all who keep me in check.

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  • [–] 163 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    Nazis gonna nazi. Citizenship should be immutable once gained. Especially if someone has revoked prior citizenship; you cannot leave someone stateless.

    These fucking nazis running things are not people.

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  • [–] 49 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    I disagree on a technicality. You should be able to give up your own citizenship.

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  • It depends on context.

    Portugal only has one border, with Spain. Spain is much bigger in all ways, and they don't want people to be coerced into giving up their Portugese citizenship, so they made it impossible. I am basically okay with this

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  • [–] 40 points 1 year ago

    It's meant to strip citizenship from those who may have lied about their criminal convictions or membership in illegal groups like the Nazi party, or communists during McCarthyism, on their citizenship applications.

    While I disagree with denaturalization, I'd accept it if it meant that this reasoning became universal. If you lied while taking an oath that gives you special status, then your special status will be revoked.

    Since virtually all Republican politicians lied in their oaths of office to defend the constitution, we could sue to have them removed.

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  • [–] 19 points 1 year ago

    Start with the illegal evil spawn of DJT, AKA King Taco

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  • [–] 29 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I am a straight white upper middle class American citizen, son of two straight white upper middle class American citizens.

    I am almost exactly who the GOP says they like the most.. EXCEPT I am a liberal atheist.

    And STILL I am just waiting for the day when the administration announces a new class of people they are targeting and somehow I get wrapped up in it eventually.

    They are coming for anyone who is not them.

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  • [–] 26 points 1 year ago (3 children)

    this is beyond terrifying.

    how every American can be treated like those "illegal immigrants ", and anyone could be snatched, denationalised, and sent to a concentration camp to an undisclosed country. they'll make sure to delete any documentation, so when this is all over, those disappeared might not be found and left to rot in a slave camp.

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  • [–] 13 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I think that revoking a citizen's citizenship should only be decidable by the supreme court, and there needs to be a new trial for every single time the DOJ tries to revoke the citizenship of a citizen.

    I think that because that means every triaé must be taken very seriously, and there cannot be summary revocations.

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    Poor Melania, we all see where this is headed.

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  • [–] 7 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    At least if she's deported she can't be buried at Trump's golf course.

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  • [–] 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

    I still found that crazy. Bury your kids mother (your ex wife) on a golf course, extremely underwhelming grave for a "billionaire" and then somehow not have it mowed when you are hosting an international tournament. Like they had to mow the golf course, the landscaping company is clearly already being paid....

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  • [+] 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 child)
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    [–] 63 points 1 year ago (4 children)

    Elon might have actually committed immigration fraud. He admitted to working on the USA without a visa. But then again, if the system can't do its do diligence at the time of nationalization why would it be able to later?

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  • [–] 9 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    I'm surprised Trump hasn't used that admission to try to get rid of him already honestly. Yeah he's got money, but with that admission I'd assume the government would just try to seize all of his assets as proceeds from that criminal act.

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    [–] 37 points 1 year ago

    He continued, "Anyone who has abused the privilege of the opportunity of becoming a U.S. citizen should have that citizenship revoked when they engage in such reprehensible behavior."

    Cool. Do Trump first.

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  • [–] 33 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    We are rapidly approaching the end of the poem. You know the one.

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  • [–] 31 points 1 year ago (1 child)

    How many felonies does the president have?

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  • [–] 18 points 1 year ago

    Oh ok cool. So basically a tool for revenge. Nothing bad could come from that..

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  • [–] 11 points 1 year ago

    Holy guacamole! Psych, socio, and general humanities classes really need to be integrated at age-appropriate levels, in early primary education and ongoing.

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  • [–] 20 points 1 year ago

    The politicization of citizenship rights is something that really worries me, I think it’s just flatly inconsistent with our democratic system

    Even the opponents just spew out weasel words.

    I'm sorry, your country is fucked; so if y'all could try and keep that fuckery within your borders, that'd be great.

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 1 year ago* (3 children)

    If all people which are against Trump are expulsed, the US will be a country of rednecks, to stupid to pee a hole in the snow and the running joke of the rest of the world

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  • [–] 2 points 1 year ago

    Thought this was the onion

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    [–] 36 points 1 year ago* (1 child)

    Okay, now we're into the actual Nazi shit. This is so fucked.

    Just gonna add this too...

    The Fourteenth Amendment does not provide any procedure for revocation of United States citizenship. The Supreme Court in Afroyim v. Rusk held that loss of 14th-Amendment-based U.S. citizenship is possible only under the following circumstances:

    1. Fraud in the naturalization process. Technically this is not loss of citizenship, but rather a voiding of the purported naturalization and a declaration that the immigrant never was a U.S. citizen.
    2. Voluntary relinquishment of citizenship. This may be accomplished either through renunciation procedures specially established by the State Department or through other actions (e.g., treason) that demonstrate an intention to give up U.S. citizenship. Such an act of expatriation must be accompanied by an intent to terminate United States citizenship.

    Wikipedia page on the Citizenship Clause of the 14th Amendment

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  • [–] 14 points 1 year ago

    14th Amendment (section 3) also says that trump can't hold office, yet here we are:

    No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice-President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago

    Constitutional scholars, and so many others, still act like we are a country of laws respecting The Constitution. I'm waiting for the majority to realize this isn't the case and I wonder what the response will be. Gilead, if I had a place to put that bet down.

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  • [–] 12 points 1 year ago (2 children)

    If you commit serious crimes before you become a U.S. citizen and then lie about them during your naturalization process, the Justice Department will discover the truth and come after you

    This is an intentional lie about the definition of "commit crime". In this case (and pretty much all cases that relate to the government) it means convicted of.

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  • [–] 3 points 1 year ago (6 children)

    LOL @america.

    I’d say you’d all do something about this and overthrow the government, but you’re probably too busy watching Americas Got Talent tonight and eating tariffed chips.

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  • [–] 16 points 1 year ago* (2 children)

    Hey! How about you get your country to formally condemn our behavior.

    Those of us protesting feel pretty alone when the rest of the world keeps bending the knee to our mad king.

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  • [–] 1 point 1 year ago

    I'm not very educated in global economics, but my best guess is that they need to move away from US trade first to minimize the backlash. I don't think the Trump administration will find much support after fucking around with tariffs, so maybe it's just a matter of time.

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  • [–] 0 points 1 year ago

    You know, for a bunch of people that lost their fucking minds over some stupid ass comments ("He's going to invade us!" 🤣), you sure can't stop thinking about us. Are you sure you don't want to be part of the US? It's literally all you think about anyway.

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