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[–] 126 points 10 months ago (3 children)

The state doesn't just have the right to charge the ICE officer. It has the obligation to charge him.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    And when the state fails the obligation falls on the people.

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  • [–] 67 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Robert Bennett, a veteran lawyer in Minneapolis who has worked on hundreds of federal police misconduct cases during his 50-year career

    FYI for anybody else that saw “misconduct expert” and said wtf is that.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    From the released footage, it appears that the murderer, Jonathan Ross, was holding his phone camera and filming the entire murder. That is critical evidence that the state needs to have to either prosecute or potentially exonerate Jonathan Ross. I’m not sure why more of the reporting on this murder isn’t covering that detail. Again, murderer Jonathan Ross is in possession of critical murder evidence that documents a fuckin’ murder.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Some key details from the phone footage.

    1. It was a handheld phone cam, not a body cam. ICE has thousands of dollars in equipment, but is choosing not to equip body cams; which could have kept his hands free to protect himself. Handheld allows the footage to be far shakier, so he can emphasize the idea he was "struck".
    2. The footage doesn't contain all of the gunshots. In high likelihood, it had to have been edited before posting, for this to be the case.
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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    ...the murderer, Jonathan Ross, was holding his phone camera and filming the entire murder.

    Is that confirmed somewhere? Just holding his phone with a camera app open isn't enough. ICE has an app that uses a photograph to supposedly tell whether or not someone is a citizen. If there is evidence he recorded the incident for any reason, then I would think that that would be clear evidence of premeditation.

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  • [–] 31 points 10 months ago* (15 children)

    It’s so stupid. People like JD Vance are so stupid. They don’t even consider that they could spin this as a bad event, and the shithead should be prosecuted and that their ICE actions are valid. I don’t agree with ICE and I’m not defending them. But if ICE is valid, then it’s valid that they could fuck up too. It would help their cause to run things in a less toxic way.

    But this is asking for nuance from this administration. They're a bunch of maladjusted sociopaths. And to reiterate: I’m not defending ICE.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's one of a few weaknesses they have. The whole "stick to your guns" strong-and-tough-guy ideology makes it impossible to backtrack, quickly pivot, or even feign concern, to achieve a quick tactical victory. All that is tantamount to failure and admitting defeat. Instead, they have to either build a massive smokescreen, lie their pants off, or dig even deeper into an already cursed situation. Then there's tribalism, making it impossible to publicly throw their own goons under the bus. It's a stupid and weirdly consistent mindset (i.e. lawful evil), but when it comes to this cabal and their supporters, it's kind of their whole deal.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Worst part is, it's not a new thing. It's a topic of concern for a character in a book I'm writing - where a powerful figure knows she's wrong on some occasions, but the political atmosphere rewards her more for boasting her righteousness on those issues.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    It would honestly make the administration look better if they said "this ICE agent went rogue and will be held accountable. ICE as a whole does not condone this", but instead, they're defending it and effectively telling us ICE will continue to kill innocent citizens with impunity. They're telling us this is what they're supposed to be doing

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    At this point they don’t care about looking good. They care about looking powerful. They want people to know they can do this and nothing happens. Look what Miller is saying. We can do whatever we want to other countries because we have the power to do so. Same with ICE here.

    These people suck. And there’s 10s of millions in this country that support them. Midterms won’t save us. Only reprogramming them will.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Nuance? I’m valid. If I accidentally walk into a bank demanding money, can you spin that?

    ICE is valid, but are way outside the scope they have historically been used for, with a flood of barely trained new people, going where they’re not wanted, to terrorize the population on the flimsy excuse of immigrants. They somehow believe they’re above the law and their victims are beneath it. If your “nuance” is this entire mission is criminal, ok. But there’s no nuance saying you can go this far into depriving people of rights, then claim that executing them is an accident

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Border and immigration enforcement has always been questionable from a theoretical and practical level

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  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago*

    Sure and maybe it’s all of our fault for accepting that. It’s easy to say they can abbreviate due diligence when you’re picturing them chasing people who are in the process of physically sneaking across the border. Especially when it’s balanced with people already established were generally treated as a civil infraction and with a defined process rather than violent criminal infraction

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    maladjusted sociopaths

    This is how the rest of the world has seen the US for some time.

    Edifying to finally see what they’ve been seeing isn’t it?

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    our lives are going bad enough

    You had control of that. Others don’t have and they don’t have control of your military turning on them.

    No, I don’t get off on US misfortune, but I’m tired of fuckall being done by voters year by year then pissing and moaning when people are threatened and killed.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Dude there's a lot of evidence he literally stole the election, so the people here clearly didn't want this guy in office.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago (11 children)

    Ok. So, like...what are they waiting for? If I shoot someone on video, I'd already be in prison.

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  • [–] [S] 36 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Jonathan Ross took off right after the shooting. Actually putting him in prison means locating his lair and actually arresting him, which may be difficult if a ton of armed feds are there protecting him.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    Yeah, I'd be willing to bet he's been flown out on an ICE plane to Texas or Florida or DC. You'd need to involve federal law enforcement in actually arresting him if he's fled the state, and that will go over like a wet fart with the department who keeps saying he's done literally nothing wrong.

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  • [–] -4 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Do you want them to successfully prosecute him, or do you want them to make a big show and then not have enough documented evidence with full chain of custody and have their prosecution fail? Your indict first and investigate later idea will only serve to let him off.

    It’s been 36 hours. Take a breath and let them work. They’re going to get there and they’re going to do it the right way.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    The guy murdered someone, he didn't break into a Subway and steal the register and a cold cut trio.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    You don't select the jury before the arrest...

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    No shit, Sherlock.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    They can, but they won't. Everyone knows the Dems' donors won't allow them to put up any real resistance against fascism. Best they'll do is a public condemnation, maybe a pinky swear to hold the next one accountable, if we're lucky.

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    Step 1. Murderer uploads the Minnesota state case to a federal one.

    Step 2. Trump pardons the murderer.

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  • [–] 18 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Nah, it's even worse: the FBI refuses to even charge the murderer so that a pardon won't even be necessary, while illegally withholding the evidence from the state authorities so they can't conduct the parallel investigation that they're entitled to.

    It's federal fascism all the way down.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Even worse that Just Dance Vance just gave ICE absolute immunity. This is fucking ridiculous.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Legally he can’t even give a sofa absolute immunity.

    However yes, this is him running for president, copying drump’s approach of say it loudly and repeatedly until people start believing it

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Duh, everyone can see this was murder

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    But will they?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago*

    He's kinda a mack at misconduct

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yes Daddy, press that boot on my neck harder. Yess, let me lick it.

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