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[–] 186 points 10 months ago (23 children)

21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024.

https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-literacy-statistics

Illiteracy is a huge and intentional crisis in America and is a major reason we're in the mess we're in now. American education has been steadily hollowed out since public schools were integrated and now those chickens are coming home to roost. We are in for a long, bad time of rebuilding I'm afraid.

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  • [–] 44 points 10 months ago (8 children)

    Yet 54% of U.S. adults read below the equivalent of a sixth-grade level

    That's nuts.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    My kids school promises literacy by 4th grade and hasn't mentioned it since. They're in 8th grade now. It's brutal, I've been working on thier reading level but it's hard when the school isn't making it a priority.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I strongly recommend the podcast Sold a Story about the way reading has been taught in the US. It may help you, believe it or not. It’s also just fascinating. You can find it wherever podcasts are on offer.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I appreciate the suggestion, but I hate podcasts. I just don't connect with them, they're background noise I don't process.

    I'm consuming media I would prefer it to be a solo activity, whether that's reading or watching a video. Audio only content is in some nether place where I comprehend nothing.

    From a quick skim of the transcript of the first episode, the correct method is phonics. Which thankfully the school and I both teach, they just stop promising to improve the reading level after fourth grade.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I believe they stop working on literacy early on. I taught 10th-grade English in two US states, and over five years of teaching, I maybe had four students reading at grade level. Yet a majority of my students went on to college. How does that work?

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    The problem is you weren't allowed to fail them for not reading at 10th grade level.

    That should be the bar to pass.

    Edit: and that should have been the bar the whole way up. Your job should have been to get them from 9 to 10. Give them lower grades from other things, but not reading level.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    I absolutely agree with you. Unfortunately, when the system incentivizes keeping bodies in seats for funding, it creates an environment that is not conducive to learning. Admin forced teachers to adjust grades on numerous occasions. And I suspect standardized tests are manipulated before they are sent in. But that can only last for so long, those tests will eventually be computerized.

    I don’t think people understand the impact that an entire generation (or generations at this point) lacking a general education and being functionally illiterate is going to have on society.

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  • [–] 60 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Gonna be one of those shithole countries trump was talking about first time around

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The strange thing is that is has been, for some of us, for a while now. The screws have been tightening my whole life and people don't realize how close to destitution they are until it hits them. It's like the poverty version of "If my neighbor loses their job it's a recession, if I lose my job it's a depression."

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Not taking literacy advice from an organization that considers you illiterate if you are fluent in Spanish but not English, thanks.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    Por que? How are you going to communicate with officials if you do not speak English? You pretend that there is no reason for this definition.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Translators. Real statistics, not ones from far right think tanks, put illiteracy around 2% in the US.

    If you're wondering why, go read the 14th amendment to the United States constitution and think about how it might apply to access to one's government officials.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I feel ya, but the practical reality is that almost all news, all social media, all politics, all technical information, all medical information, and all official documents are presented primarily or only in English.

    Yes America doesn't have an official language, but if you had to pick between living here with fluent Spanish and no English, vs. fluent English but no Spanish, which do you think is gonna give you an easier time by far?

    I don't find 21% illiteracy hard to believe. I went to a particularly good high school, and even there about 1/5 kids could only read books aloud in a painfully halting, word-by-word manner. And they could either read aloud or understand what they read, not both. And again this was a top-rated high school in the area by far. And just look at the social media trend of flashing words one by one as captions - people pretend it's for those with sound down or hearing difficulties, but the truth is it makes the content vastly more digestible for people who can't pay attention to words but get overwhelmed by the sight of full sentences. So even the people who can read are fantastically bad at it.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    you miss my point. it's not 21% illiteracy. it's 21% english illiteracy. the last time i read the statistics on it (iirc it was the 2022 numbers but i don't really care to find them again) 21% were illiterate in english. 2% were not literate in any language. somewhere between 12% and 18% had something between a 6th and 9th grade literacy level in some written language. I'm not arguing whether it is easier to be literate and/or fluent in the lingua franca. i'm just saying you are taking a shortsighted view if you only look at the english language.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago*

    No disrespect, but I believe you have missed my point - I understood that you're pointing out that only looking at English literacy is shortsighted. I'm suggesting that English literacy is by far the only significant metric when it comes to someone's ability to function, especially with poltical wisdom, in the United States. It doesn't really matter if half the population is fluent in Vietnamese when all the political debates are in English. This forces them to rely on third-party (questionable) commentary and interpretation for all their news and understanding of the political environment.

    If we were talking about a country like Switzerland, where signage, documents, and official material is easily accessible in multiple languages, and where political discussion widely occurs im multiple languages, then I would agree that measuring only German literacy is misleading and not meaningful. But the United States is not that type of country, so it is specifically English literacy that matters, especially when we're talking about being politically informed.

    TLDR; if I speak fluent Latin, but no other languages, and I live in Kentucky, it is pretty fair to describe me as illiterate. The literacy I do possess functionally does not exist.

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  • [–] 97 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    Sorry idr if this from source article or one linked in it:

    Training was slashed from 16 weeks to six, with sit-ups eliminated because recruits couldn't handle them.

    These nazis are so fucking pathetic in every conceivable way lol

    it would be so much funnier if they weren't destroying lives and killing people

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    In most states hairdressers need more training than that.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    In my state the license to become a hair stylist is 7-8 times as long as it takes to become an ICE agent. It also takes about half as long to become a cop instead of a hair stylist. Which begs the should hair stylist get qualified/absolute immunity?

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    So we fired hundreds of thousands of competent civil servants, including highly specialized scientists and doctors, and hired these stupid fucking losers?

    Awesome. Glad that waste, fraud, and abuse is gone I guess.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I mean we don't have to worry about them writing bad checks at least

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  • [–] 66 points 10 months ago

    The shooter is a 10+ year veteran of the agency. ICE has always been bad and filled with violent nationalists.

    Also, this is far more damning of our education system. It should be difficult to find and recruit that many illiterate people.

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  • [–] 63 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    "The explosive Daily Mail report..."

    Not to defend ICE or nothin', but Daily Fail isn't exactly known for accurate journalism...

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I've always called it the Daily Heil.

    They kinda liked the Nazis.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    My thought went to "This particular individual is unscannable" cops from Idiocracy. Reality is curving towards the Judge-verse but not the fun parts.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Assuming you're talking about the Judge Dredd universe, what fun parts?

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago

    They offered lots of money to join ICE to the worst people. Why is this surprising? They wanted thugs, they got thugs, not Harvard grads.

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    "This isn't the department of baking cookies," one source said. "This is the Department of Homeland Security, where you can be deported from the country. And we're now employing people who are not equipped to tie their own shoelaces”

    And giving them firearms…

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    THAT is an American tradition.

    For a country as obsessed with firearms as the USA the level of knowledge on how to use them safely is shockingly low.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    That's what happens when gun ownership is a right. It doesn't matter how fucking stupid, irresponsible, or psychopathic you are, you still get access to firearms and there's no pressure to learn how to handle them safely.

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  • [–] 38 points 10 months ago*

    I mean, if you can read and write, you can probably get a real job.

    Being a pedophile protector isn't a real job. It's a temporary job where you either get killed, arrested, or commit suicide.

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  • [–] 37 points 10 months ago

    Damn, if only they were qualified, surely things would be better. Sorry, seriously who gives a shit at this point, these people are all nazi scum, i don't care if they are fat and cannot read, the issue is what they are doing and what they believe.

    To boot, sex harassment accusations emerged, with a source describing to the Daily Mail predatory behavior during training.

    I went to nazi boot camp and they guys there were all nazis

    shocker

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago

    USA recreating Hitlers SA "Brownshirts"

    "Hitler also relied on terror to achieve his goals. Lured by the wages, a feeling of comradeship, and the striking uniforms, tens of thousands of young jobless men put on the brown shirts and high leather boots of the Nazi Storm Troopers (Sturmabteilungen). Called the SA, these auxiliary policemen took to the streets to beat up and kill some opponents of the Nazi regime. "

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    These ICE thugs and their direct leaders should also turn a few more pages in a history book to find out what Hitler did to the SA brownshirts:

    "Night of the Long Knives, in German history, purge of Nazi leaders by Adolf Hitler on June 30, 1934. Fearing that the paramilitary SA had become too powerful, Hitler ordered his elite SS guards to murder the organization’s leaders, including Ernst Röhm. Also killed that night were hundreds of other perceived opponents of Hitler."

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  • [–] 33 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    I never in my life would have imagined that Idiocracy Movie would be used as a playbook to USA politics.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago

    The trigger men for the killing fields of Cambodia and the Tiananmen Square Massacre were illiterate peasants from rural areas...

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    Why is that a bombshell? Most of these recruits probably came from terrorist cells like the Proud Boys, the Oathkeepers and other Nazi groups.

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  • [–] 25 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    That's hardly an argument in case of US. Afteral folks out there aren't sharpest pencils...

    On average, 79% of U.S. adults nationwide are literate in 2024.

    21% of adults in the US are illiterate in 2024.

    54% of adults have a literacy below a 6th-grade level (20% are below 5th-grade level).

    https://www.thenationalliteracyinstitute.com/2024-2025-literacy-statistics

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    What portion of that 21% considered illiterate are actually literate, but just not in English. I'm sure there are many who grew up in other countries and moved here but never bothered properly learning English. Like that would be like saying 1 in 5 people cannot use a phone, because surely they have to be able to read to know how to sign in to websites and search things, and I find it hard to believe that many Americans can't use a cell phone

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Spanish-speaking immigrants are often also illiterate in Spanish. It's a big challenge for educators. My kids are bilingual (not in Spanish) and their teachers perceived that as a problem. It wasn't.

    And there are other immigrants who are better educated and more fluent in English than 99% of Americans.

    And there are degrees of literacy. All of that 21% are not fully illiterate, they're below a standard that this institute defined. Still shameful, but not catastrophic.

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    It looks like around one third of the illiterate group was not born in the U.S, so I would guess it's somewhere around there. That still means over half of the illiterate group was born and raised in the U.S, which to me can only be a fault of education whether they're fluent in other languages or not.

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  • [–] [B] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Sounds like the target audience of MAGA

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I've said this before and I'll say it again... I remember reading reports during the election campaign where Trump rallies had sign-up tables for those attending could sign up for jobs with the federal government. Given that many people attending were semi-illiterate white supremacist gun nuts, it's logical to assume this is where they found a ton of these new ICE 'agents'.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago

    So they couldn't graduate from 6th grade?

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Well doesn't this all sound like 1932 all over again.

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  • [–] 34 points 10 months ago

    high school grads who can "barely read or write"

    'Merica.

    Looks like the decades-long reputation of educational institutions is finally crumbling and Americans will at last be forced to suffer through the same "Back in my country, I was doctor. But since my degree is considered no good here, now we run a convenience store" cliche.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago

    So educated people AREN'T looking for jobs that egregiously violate everything law enforcement is supposed to be? Color me surprised.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago* (6 children)

    I mean... a good chunk of the US (and apparently also at least Western Europe) can't read or write. That is a sadly normal problem at this point. And the rest? We actively teach kids to pattern match and "guess" what the other words are from the ones they recognize. Think about that the next time it is painfully obvious that someone replying to you didn't read what you actually said.

    A friend who teaches middle school has come to accept that a good chunk of why their students (and presumably the adult populace) flock to "AI Assistants" is that it is literally giving them text to speech and putting things into a format they understand. Which... combined with the tendency towards hallucination and overly praising the user is fucking horrifying.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    We actively teach kids to pattern match and “guess” what the other words are from the ones they recognize.

    Unless you're talking about something totally different, that just sounds like using roots and context clues – a normal, healthy, and constructive way of understanding language.

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We actively teach kids to pattern match and "guess" what the other words are from the ones they recognize.

    Yes, I call that learning to read. Upside down and without vision correction, sometimes, because you are pretending to be someone without glasses, this is a profoundly useful skill. But also yes, just learning to read is you know, good.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    They're not sending their best...

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