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[–] 107 points 10 months ago

I said it right after Venezuela, it was a one time thing.

No country would fire first on America, because what's the worst that could happen if they didn't?

Now that 'they abduct you and your family and take you to America' is an option, countries are going to shoot first and risk war.

We're going to see UN stuff move over to Europe as well, leaders aren't going to want to risk setting foot here.

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  • [–] 180 points 10 months ago* (16 children)

    I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric. They say that the US should take Greenland simply because it can, and the US needs it. Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence. After all, I need their houses, and my friends and I are stronger. Isn't that so?

    I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws. If the US is justified in hostile takeover of a foreign democratic nation, then I see no reason why I, as a Danish citizen, should abide by US laws.

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're descendants of Vikings. Go Viking.

    Take their treasure while you're at it.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    These morons would take us back to living in caves and knocking women over the head with clubs to claim their spouse if they had their druthers.

    This juvenile "might makes right" perspective is so goddam infantile it's almost laughable, if these weren't the idiots with the guns.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Anyone who is talking about this should first realize that a NATO member is trying to get territory from another member just because they think it's better for their geopolitical situation, this will break NATO as an alliance because then Greece and Turkey will take it as a greenlight to take action against the disputed territories between themselves. Which will cause the collapse of NATO and who knows what Non-NATO countries will try to do. This is not about MAGA bullshit it will cause a huge change and might even cause the WW3 to start instead of the proxy wars we've been seeing. I'm saying this a person who doesn't like NATO.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It will not break NATO. Since it is a defensive pact.

    If the US attacks Greenland, every NATO member will jump to the defense of Greenland because they are the country being invaded. That is how the pact is written. Doesn't matter if the invading country is NATO themselves or not.

    The only thing this will cause in NATO is that the US will be kicked out.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This is wishful thinking. This will brake NATO or they will just shrug and move on. Europe is still to reliant on the US as a protective force. Maybe this will help them see that the time in which the US cared for anybody but them self belong to the past. Right now to many EU countries are clinging to world order that died with Trump 2.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Has NATO really prevented anything between Türkiye and Greece?
    I thought there were explicit exceptions for the defense agreement in case the conflict is between member states, precisely because of Türkiye and Greece.

    Edit: from what I can find, there is no explicit exceptions but it is generally understood that article 5 is only to be invoked for external aggression. No action was undertaken by NATO when Cyprus was invaded.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric.

    Always the case with fucking fascists.

    While that is the case, I wonder how many in America actually approves of this given the proliferation of right wing bot accounts. I think that even if the US decides to invade Greenland, that might trigger a US civil war because, unlike Venezuela and Iraq where there are dictators which give plausible excuse to invade, Denmark and Greenland is clearly a democratic and peaceful country. A lot of Americans know this. Invading Venezuela did not even create a rally around the flag effect in favour of Trump admin as some might have expected, in order for Trump to artificially shore up his approval ratings. I certainly thought that more Americans might have gotten on board with Trump admin immediately, considering how they jumped the bandwagon to support the invasion of Iraq.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence.

    The thing about Might Makes Right is that hypotheticals aren't a signal of strength.

    What would happen if you tried? You'd probably get in an altercation. People would be injured. The local police would be called to break it up. And nobody would care that you were trying to prove a rhetorical point.

    I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws.

    To borrow a quip from Brandon Lee Mulligan

    Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?

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  • [–] 77 points 10 months ago

    Good. Someone needs to stand up to Trump.

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  • [–] 105 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    If it’s America, just shoot. No need for questions at this point.

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  • [+] -26 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Greenland is an important indicator for world climate health, don't support any dangerous idea there pls. Try Choosing alternate methods.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    That sounds like something you should take up with the Danish Ministry of Defense.

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  • [–] 35 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Good for them! If you have an armed military coming in to steal your land, you have no other choice but to fight to the death.

    Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Just adding: because he is a a MEGA PEDO WHO RAPED CHILDREN AND THIS IS ALL BECAUSE HE WANTS PEOPLE TO FORGET ABOUT THE EPSTIEN FILES

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Thanks, I haven't seen this repeated in the last 15 minutes, and it's important to keep this front and center.

    Also, not just Trump. All Conservatives are MAGA, and all MAGAS are PedoCons.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Those files for certain implicate much of the GQP establishment and Trump otherwise they'd have no trouble releasing it for the few liberals that are on there compared to them.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Even if they released everything they had, they would still quarantine anything that implicates Trump. We might still get something actionable, but it's doubtful. Chain of custody is so compromised at this point, that nobody with a decent lawyer will get convicted in a real court. Court of public opinion will have to do.

    OTOH, I've been seeing occasional articles on the OTHER Epstein investigation, the one following the many money trails. He had a LOT of money, and they still aren't sure where it came from, or where it is, but they are looking for it. Its hard to dispute hard numbers, so they tend to be powerful evidence.

    If people go to prison over their Epstein crimes, it will be about the money, not salacious photographs or emails.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Trump wanted to start as many wars as possible as quickly as possible, and his regime is making sure it happens FAST.

    All while whining that he should get the Nobel Peace Prize. Did anyone ever explain to him that the Peace in the Peace Prize doesn't stand for "Piece Of Ass" in the Epstein way?

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  • [–] 22 points 10 months ago
    [–] 22 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Please shoot first. Let’s kick this thing off. For the record, I’m not for taking Greenland via force.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I just read that Rubio is coming to visit. They could prove their resolve by shooting him first.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Does that include the US troops already stationed in Greenland?

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    Remember who started everything!
    I guess we gonna wait for the court in USA to stop Trump. No revolution, sit and watch.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    No revolution

    Nobody wants to be the first one to stick their neck out.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    Renee Nicole Good already did.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    She got gunned down dropping her daughter off at daycare. She wasn't doing a Leftist 9/11 on the police.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Really? I apologize then, I thought she was intentionally blocking them (which I 100% am in support of, to be clear). I bought the propaganda, I guess, weee :(. Thank you for the correction.

    Edit to add: Did further reading and watched earlier video context, and yeah. She was literally waving the ICE cars ahead of herself as to not get in the way. She had nothing to do with the situation and they assumed by her mere presence that she was an agitator and not just someone in the wrong place at the wrong time. JFC.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Obviously it was Denmark. Did you even see how it dressed Greenland? What did it expect?

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Did you even see how it dressed Greenland?

    ....in ice?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    The Johnathon Ross Doctrine.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    This stupid idea of those fucking MAGAts is what Putin likes to see how it would play out.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    " ... that's how America does it ... "

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    I doubt Denmark could fend off the U.S., especially since other NATO countries are likely just monitoring the situation rather than taking action.

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago

    There are multiple countries having dialogues to plan their actions.

    This is no longer a situation where the US can simply walk in and take what it wants and getting a big payoff instead of facing consequences.

    Allies will form. Even the worst segment of the US population doesn't want WWIII, a civil war yes, but they don't want their kids drafted to die over the annex of Greenland.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    They might do a good enough job to not make it worth taking, though it's a bit of a hard thing to judge when the invading force isn't using logic

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is the only goal the Europe can aim for. Force the U.S. to take a step that they don't want to, and that they will lose because of. They won't lose militarily, but they could lose politically and economically in the long tern.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    The Nordics are pretty great at arctic warfare, just look at how well the Finns did. Pretty much all their gear are usable in arctic conditions and they train regularly for guerrilla warfare in extreme cold. The situation for the US is not the same. Most of their gear will not work in the winter in Greenland.

    Im not saying they will win, i just mean that it's more complex than having the larger gun.

    However, the US are about to loose big in trade. Who the hell will want to buy American?

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    The US has a military base in Greenland already. Pituffik Space Base doesn't appear to be going anywhere, despite all the bluster.

    And as the US is the military backbone of NATO, I'm not seeing how NATO as an institution would respond with the leadership structure and base management riddled with American personal.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    At some point, NATO will have to acknowledge that America is NOT part of their alliance, at least not at this moment. If Russia were to attack Europe, or China were to take Taiwan, Trump wouldn't do a thing about it.

    If a real American ever gets into the White House, and not a corrupt traitor pedophile, maybe NATO will have us back, as long as we clean up our act and purge MAGA from our government and society.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    If Russia were to attack Europe, or China were to take Taiwan, Trump wouldn’t do a thing about it.

    Trump's cabinet is stuffed to the brim with people who are crazy enough to fight a war with China. What they can't handle is China not invading Taiwan and, instead, stacking up China-friendly political allies on the island until the Parliament tips their way.

    Meanwhile, Russians are damned near out of gas. They barely have the manpower to control that eastern slice of Ukraine. If they launched attacks into the European mainland and provoked a real material response from a combined Western Europe, they would be in huge trouble. But, again, that was never really Putin's intention. He's been building up alliances with white nationalist parties all across the continent. By 2030, you're going to have a swath of ultra-nationalists running every Parliament from the AfD in Germany to Reform UK.

    And he's going to be doing it in coordination with Israel, Saudi Arabia, Turkiye, and India. Countries America bribed into a temporary alliance aren't going to be there when the US economy goes into another recessionary tailspin. That's what will really fuck NATO up.

    And all this happening on the eve of a climate catastrophe, too.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    FINALLY! Someone with some Critical Thinking Skills who gets what's really happening. I've been arguing with people who think that Trump, Russia, and China are all acting totally independently. There is no possible way that they are carving up the world into three showers of influence, despite daily obvious evidence of it EVERY DAY.

    And I can't even start to worry about the climate right now. I've got zombies on my doorstep, demanding that I voluntarily offer myself up for enslavement, I can't worry about what's going on down the street right now.

    Excellent post.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    And I can’t even start to worry about the climate right now.

    That's a shame, because we are fucking in for it as the Colorado dries up in our winter heat wave. Nevermind what's going to happen to Poland or Macedonia. I'd be worried what happens between Utah, Arizona, Nevada, and California during the next growing season.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Can we suggest who you shoot first?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Anyone have a link beyond the paywall?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    The telegraph is a rag.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    Yep! So if US comes, they will send in their F35, after having keyed in the mission parameters, that will go straight to a Lockheed server in the US to be uploaded in the jets, and with that they will take their ennemy by surprise!

    Oh, shit! The jets were shot down! Weren't they stealth??

    Danes will have to order more, then…

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago

    Danes will have to order more, then…

    Appreciating the spineless incompetence of the elected officials in our government, I suspect that they would bite the pillow and think happy thoughts while ordering replacements.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I heard the US could just remotely disable their equipments... 👀

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Can't tell for all of the equipment (from my understanding, they happily buy 100% US…), but for the F35, that's not exact. It needs constant update, and from what I read, it is still usable for ~30 days after they would ban it from the network. But "usable" means back to pen and paper on board for missions…

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