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Denmark ‘will shoot first and ask questions later’ over Greenland (www.telegraph.co.uk)
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[–] 180 points 10 months ago* (16 children)

I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric. They say that the US should take Greenland simply because it can, and the US needs it. Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence. After all, I need their houses, and my friends and I are stronger. Isn't that so?

I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws. If the US is justified in hostile takeover of a foreign democratic nation, then I see no reason why I, as a Danish citizen, should abide by US laws.

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  • [–] 69 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're descendants of Vikings. Go Viking.

    Take their treasure while you're at it.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    These morons would take us back to living in caves and knocking women over the head with clubs to claim their spouse if they had their druthers.

    This juvenile "might makes right" perspective is so goddam infantile it's almost laughable, if these weren't the idiots with the guns.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Anyone who is talking about this should first realize that a NATO member is trying to get territory from another member just because they think it's better for their geopolitical situation, this will break NATO as an alliance because then Greece and Turkey will take it as a greenlight to take action against the disputed territories between themselves. Which will cause the collapse of NATO and who knows what Non-NATO countries will try to do. This is not about MAGA bullshit it will cause a huge change and might even cause the WW3 to start instead of the proxy wars we've been seeing. I'm saying this a person who doesn't like NATO.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It will not break NATO. Since it is a defensive pact.

    If the US attacks Greenland, every NATO member will jump to the defense of Greenland because they are the country being invaded. That is how the pact is written. Doesn't matter if the invading country is NATO themselves or not.

    The only thing this will cause in NATO is that the US will be kicked out.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    This is wishful thinking. This will brake NATO or they will just shrug and move on. Europe is still to reliant on the US as a protective force. Maybe this will help them see that the time in which the US cared for anybody but them self belong to the past. Right now to many EU countries are clinging to world order that died with Trump 2.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Has NATO really prevented anything between Türkiye and Greece?
    I thought there were explicit exceptions for the defense agreement in case the conflict is between member states, precisely because of Türkiye and Greece.

    Edit: from what I can find, there is no explicit exceptions but it is generally understood that article 5 is only to be invoked for external aggression. No action was undertaken by NATO when Cyprus was invaded.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    I see a lot of right wing influencers arguing a kind of might makes right rhetoric.

    Always the case with fucking fascists.

    While that is the case, I wonder how many in America actually approves of this given the proliferation of right wing bot accounts. I think that even if the US decides to invade Greenland, that might trigger a US civil war because, unlike Venezuela and Iraq where there are dictators which give plausible excuse to invade, Denmark and Greenland is clearly a democratic and peaceful country. A lot of Americans know this. Invading Venezuela did not even create a rally around the flag effect in favour of Trump admin as some might have expected, in order for Trump to artificially shore up his approval ratings. I certainly thought that more Americans might have gotten on board with Trump admin immediately, considering how they jumped the bandwagon to support the invasion of Iraq.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Which makes me wonder if I as a Dane am morally justified in gathering a few friends, breaking into these influencers homes, kicking them out, and just take up residence.

    The thing about Might Makes Right is that hypotheticals aren't a signal of strength.

    What would happen if you tried? You'd probably get in an altercation. People would be injured. The local police would be called to break it up. And nobody would care that you were trying to prove a rhetorical point.

    I suppose there is no moral obligation for me to obey American laws, if there is no moral obligation for America to obey international laws.

    To borrow a quip from Brandon Lee Mulligan

    Laws are threats made by the dominant socioeconomic-ethnic group in a given nation. It’s just the promise of violence that’s enacted and the police are basically an occupying army. You know what I mean?

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