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Venezuela - The Lesson for Canada (charlieangus.substack.com)
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[–] 20 points 10 months ago (20 children)

Canada is in NATO. NATO countries are obligated to defend Canada if it is attacked.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Except when it's been members, maybe?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    If a NATO nation attacks another NATO nation they're supposed to get kicked out. That's why back in the 1990s there was so much mumbling about Russia joining NATO. Obviously it was never really considered seriously and then Putin's "election" put a kibosh on that idea, but there was some suggestion that it might happen, and one of the questions that it raised was how do we handle that possibility. Because if any nation was going to attack any other nation it would be Russia.

    It's a bit pointless to talk about really because if the US actually attacked Canada things would get out of hand almost instantly with other nations taking preemptive steps, so any agreements on process would essentially be irrelevant anyway.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Cyprus was in NATO.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    Article 5 isn't voluntary.

    NATO’s Article 5 is consistent with Article 51 of the United Nations Charter, which recognises that a state that is the victim of an armed attack has the inherent right to individual or collective self-defence, and may request others to come to its assistance. Within the NATO context, Article 5 translates this right of self-defence into a mutual assistance obligation.

    https://www.nato.int/en/what-we-do/introduction-to-nato/collective-defence-and-article-5

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    "may request others" doesn't make it sound very obligatory. The actual obligation as written is for each nation to take "such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force", leaving it up to each nation to decide for themselves what is necessary.

    What exactly is Canada going to do to other NATO countries that don't respond sufficiently? There is no penalty clause.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    That's Article 51, not 5. If you read the very first thing from the link:

    Article 5 of the North Atlantic Treaty states that an armed attack against one NATO member shall be considered an attack against all members, and triggers an obligation for each member to come to its assistance.

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  • [–] -2 points 10 months ago

    And when they don't come to Canada's assistance? When they decide that necessary assistance is to condemn US aggression and send Canada a "get well" card?

    Article 5 was written with Russia in mind. The penalty for noncompliance would be a natural consequence that Russia would feel free to pick NATO countries off one at a time. It's entirely ineffective against a US that literally could fight off the rest of NATO if it had to.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Funny. You seemed to have completely ignored the part where it finishes with "mutual assistance obligation". Or maybe you just didn't read far enough.

    Care to try again?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Maybe you'll believe the Center for European Policy Analysis

    The Article 5 wording is vague. It states that an attack against one member “shall be considered an attack against them all.” What is quoted less often is that each member state only has an obligation to take “such action as it deems necessary, including the use of armed force.”

    In other words, Article 5 does not commit member states to deploy military assets if an ally is attacked. It only commits them to some form of response.

    But, what do they know anyways?

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  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago

    Did you miss where "mutual assistance" is completely undefined. I'll stick with my original answer. I'm sure NATO will come right to Canada's assistance with an angry condemnation of US aggression at the UN.

    Laws with no penalty clauses aren't really laws, they are suggestions. Penalty clauses that can't be enforced would be worthless anyways. Article 5 is an aspersion, nothing more.

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    [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    The lesson is we need to be ready for war

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    [–] 6 points 10 months ago (21 children)

    Substack enables Nazis like Trump. Don’t give them clicks.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (10 children)

    What's the deal with Substack that makes it a Nazi enabling platform?

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago* (9 children)
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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (7 children)

    What do you expect? They want to make money.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    I expect non Nazis to grow a spine and to leave the platform that benefit and enrich Nazis once it’s been made public.

    I expect people to want to kill Nazis and not lick their boots.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (5 children)

    I agree that Charlie should leave substack.

    I'm saying that substack allows Nazis on their platform because substack wants money and have no morals.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Yes, hence my original comment saying don’t give them clicks, they are Nazis.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    Would RSS feeds count as clicks? RSS feeds request the page content so it can display locally but you don't visit the website directly.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    Now you are finding loopholes. It’s still using their platform. Just don’t go to Nazi websites. Simple as that.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    It's an article by Charlie Angus, former NDP member of Parliament of Canada. He is somebody Canadians can trust and is definitely not a Nazi.

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  • [–] 19 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    In the same sense that we call twitter a nazi platform without accusing everybody using it of being a nazi, same logic applies here.

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Should move his blog off of the Nazi enabling platform.

    Is he on Mastodon or another spineless politician only on X, Instagram and Facebook?

    Edit: Also never called the author a Nazi. Substack are for platforming and enabling monetization of Nazi content.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    You suggest Mr. Angus is spineless for not having a Mastodon account and I take issue with that...

    He has stepped up to call for US boycotts and to organize the Canadian resistance. In fact I'd call him one of the few Canadians who have shown their spine and used their position to bring the idea of a resistance movement to the masses. He's amplified his message now collaborating with Meidas Touch Network.

    It's true that Substack isn't the best platform of this type, there are better alternatives, and Nazis and many nasty people use it and profit from it. However, quibbling over this platform Mr. Angus uses in a way that dismisses his works frankly is quite irritating to me. Excuse me for venting frustration at you. Link to Mr. Angus' Youtube Channel as an alternative

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I suggested the majority of politicians are spineless and are refusing to get up from the Nazi table or leave American oligarchs corporate media. Calling for American boycotts while also refusing to leave their tech/platforms is still fucking hypocritical.

    Even if someone does something you approve of you can still criticize their hypocrisy.

    Now please take your irritation out on some Nazis or .ml tankies instead.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Who the fuck is says to “lock her up”? Who is her in this context? And are you serious that oblivious to what’s going on at .ml?

    This conversation is about Substack enabling the monetization of Nazis and the people using their services propping them up.

    Go take your meds old mad. It’s not 2025 anymore.

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    • [–] 0 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Maduro and Trump are friends

    Maduro gets to escape his country and save face instead of being assassinated or executed.

    Trump gets to manufacture a conflict so he can start martial law and become a dictator, and to distract from us learning he came inside little girls.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Why are you copy pasting this in every post

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    [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    We must work to build alliances with other democratic nations in Latin America, Europe, and Asia. We need to establish the citizen’s volunteer force.

    I strongly encourage Canada to take whatever actions you feel are necessary to protect yourself from the US. Don't assume we won't violate your rights as a sovereign nation, up to and including invasion. Trump and MAGA are rabid American supremacists. They believe they are inherently superior to all other groups of people, and they believe they have a god given right to dominate and rule over the entirety of the Americas, if not the entire world. People like that are capable of anything. Don't let your guard down for a second.

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  • [–] [S] 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    Canadians are aware of this. But I'm not sure Canadian politicians fully appreciate the threat. I fear Carney may still be attempting appeasement, and some at least of the Conservatives are traitors who would willingly sell the country to the USA.

    Edit: case in point:

    Poilievre congratulates Trump on invading Venezuela

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