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[–] 110 points 10 months ago (12 children)

I was so reluctant to transition to Linux for gaming. I've been using Linux since 2007, so I'm not new to the OS.

I took the plunge a handful of months ago, and it is an amazing experience. The games I like to play actually saw performance gains when switching over.

I still dual boot a Win 10 partition for outliers, but so far the only game to get installed there has been BF6, due to the requirements of their anti-cheat.

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  • [–] 41 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I also have a spare windows drive for BF6, but it's so unbelievably mid that in practice I don't really even play it

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    How easy was it to do the signed boot?

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  • [–] 8 points 10 months ago

    Lmfao it's a piece of shit, basically I have all three of my drives hanging out of the 5.25 bay on the front of my machine. That way I can easily unplug my 2 Linux drives when I enable secure boot. Otherwise my Linux won't boot, which fucking sucks to fix. So basically it's a pain in the ass and BF6 just isn't good enough for me to spend that effort.

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  • [–] 39 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    It's funny. I also was very hesitant to make the jump from Windows, but finally did in 2025. I was dual booting for a while until I realized I hadn't been into the Windows one in months because it was a pain in the ass for various reasons. So I just got rid of it.

    I've made peace with the fact that I won't be able to play certain games. Their loss; there's plenty of other games to buy with my money.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    I was dual booting for a while until I realized I hadn’t been into the Windows one in months because it was a pain in the ass for various reasons. So I just got rid of it.

    A very old familiar story over the past couple decades or so.

    I’ve made peace with the fact that I won’t be able to play certain games. Their loss

    Yup.

    It shall continue being good to see other people get this, taking their power back, ceasing being their games dealer's bitch.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago

    I’ve made peace with the fact that I won’t be able to play certain games. Their loss; there’s plenty of other games to buy with my money.

    Same.

    I have a backlog of games years long, the fact that I can't put Battlefield or Valorant on that list doesn't diminish my ability to play amazing games 24/7 if I wanted.

    Expedtion 33, Blue Prince, Hollow Knight, Silksong, Hades 2, ARC Raiders, Helldivers 2, Path of Exile 2, Deep Rock Galactic, etcetcetc.

    I have over 200 games in my Steam library and every single one works on Linux. I'll worry about the 5 kernel anti-cheat games once I get to the end of my list...

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    Same experience here. I've used Linux for decades. Always on my servers. Occasionally on a desktop here or there. Tried to daily-drive it on a single computer or laptop many times. Got close a couple times, but ultimately always fell back to Windows when the going got tough, when hardware support wasn't available or the errors and misconfigurations became too convoluted or I simply fell back into the habit of regularly using programs that simply didn't work or weren't available in any form on Linux.

    When I came back to it a year or two ago? That experience totally changed. The tables have flipped completely. Linux is now the compatible, straightforward, quickly-fixed, and often even user-friendly option while Windows has turned into a frustrating shitshow of blocking and opting-out of misfeatures and reconfiguring shit that breaks all the time with Microsoft's ideological "updates".

    Switching to Linux on my grandma's computer was a breath of fresh air for both of us. Then I switched one of my laptops. I remained impressed. It took some self-convincing, but eventually I got brave enough to switch my main gaming PC/desktop workstation... and with a little bit of work, it was soon perfectly lovely (I'm typing this on it right now). I've been running PikaOS, a gaming-focused Debian variant for over a year now and it's been an utterly fantastic experience. I have zero complaints. Are there still some rough edges? Yes, absolutely, but I don't mind. I use them to file the callouses off my bash-scripting fingers while I figure out a way to smooth them down.

    I'm pretty savvy and experienced with Linux, and I realize it's probably not ready for everyone yet, but it's ready for more people than you'd think. For grandma, who only uses web browser and word processor and email, Linux is a straight upgrade in user experience, stability, functionality, everything. For Gamers, everything you need is almost all out there already, thanks to Steam and Wine and Proton and the gaming-focused distros and all the ecosystem that's built up around that. Ironically it's the technically competent Windows "Power Users" who might still struggle the most, they won't have the survival skills they need to operate at the level they expect in a Linux ecosystem yet.

    It would also be good enough for a Power User to work at grandma's level with zero effort, or a Gamer level if they were willing to just blindly follow copy-and-pasted instructions, but that justifiably won't be enough for them. To work at a Power User level in Linux, you need to learn some different skills. Maybe you can get those on the server side and through stubborn trial and error, like I did, or maybe Linux will eventually get good enough that it's intuitive to do everything even Windows Power Users want to do eventually. But I don't think it's quite there yet for that group. It takes some effort, for sure.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    The games I like to play actually saw performance gains when switching over.

    Yes. That's part what got me to let go of my dual-booting habit.

    When booted to Windows, I would get tempted to play something (that I had installed on both sides) lazily without rebooting back to Linux, and it would suck.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    For me, it's Final Fantasy XI - it's a million years old and it actually does run fine on Linux, but some of the third party QOL tools I use to make it less painful to play don't work (or at least I can't figure out how to get them to work) through Lutris.

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  • [–] 71 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    THIS is the year.

    Posts 30 year old photo of Linus

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  • [–] 53 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    our university put linux mint on all the desktop computers this year.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (9 children)

    Cool. Which university is that? How did it go?

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    they put linux mint (cinnamon edition) on computers. people more or less used it normally, i'd say most people barely bothered that it's not windows. essential software that we needed to use was pre-installed (with neatly visible icons on the desktop to click on), and web browser was installed too. that covers basically all use-cases.

    one colleague asked how to do screenshots. i showed her.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    That's the main reason, Linux is still not as widespread as Windows - marketing. If you'd ship all of the sold PCs with a pre-installed Linux, nobody would give a shit.

    And why would they? The vast majority of ALL computer users just use functions (email, office, browsing) instead of programs. Oh, I know, I know. If you ask, you always hear Word, Excel, Outlook. But to me that are just synonyms for the tedious everyday tasks most users perform. And if you'd stop training people to repeat tasks and klick buttons and instead train them to understand what they're actually doing ... sigh

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    To take it a bit further, I found at least cinnamon and KDE to be familiar enough that you can use your "discover how to do things on windows" skills for figuring out many things.

    And once you get a handle on the repository software, it can also be easier to find and install new software when instructions direct you to a terminal command that doesn't exist. KDE even does a search and says what needs to be installed when the command isn't found. On windows, you need to download shit from some random website (which always sketched me out that someone could take advantage of that trust by making their malware behave as expected) and their search can fail to find something already installed on your machine, let alone figure out what you want to do if the name is a common word.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    For everyday computer use, the experience is pretty similar. Unsurprisingly so because that's how they designed Cinnamon. Funny though, your colleague didn't think of typing "screenshot" into the search bar of the start menu.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Let us know, I'm very curious. At our school (cal poly pomona), our comp sci professors were upset Ubuntu got put on their lab computers and they were upset because IT didn't give warning and some didn't know how to use it.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    If you're curious about migrations, there will be several talks at this years FOSSDEM from people sharing their experiences migrating whole organizations /municipalities to FOSS.

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  • [–] 43 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (4 children)

    Given I'm actively avoiding modern multiplayer games for more reasons than just the fact that they pretty much all have rootkit DRM (I know kernel-level anticheats have a different target than traditional DRM, but they're functionally DRM so they count as DRM to me), and one of the few games I have left which were unplayably broken on Proton work now (Civ3, still has audio issues that to my knowledge can't be corrected for non-destructively, but the black-map issue is now fixed, at least on my end using proton-cachyos), I have no plans on running Windows again any time soon, not even in a VM.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Bottles.

    There's a flatpak called Bottles that does a pretty decent job of setting up a containerized Windows /WINE environment, if you have some program or game you can't get to work quite right by chucking it into Lutris or Steam.

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  • [–] 32 points 10 months ago

    I'll take whatever positive press Linux can get at this point. More people switching over is a good thing.

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  • [–] 29 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I hate PCGamer's website. Everytime I get partway through an article, a pop-up shows asking me to sign up to their newsletter. Now the pop-up alone would turn me off of their website, but what happens is the pop-up scrolls the article all the way back to the top of the page. So I completely lose my reading position.

    PCGamer isn't the only site to do this, but I think it's one of the more popular ones that do.

    The other thing that sites do now that earns an instant DNS block on my pihole, is capturing the back action that prevents leaving the site to show a pop-up that says "wait, before you go, check out these other articles" or something along those lines. HELL.... NO!

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Yeah, DHTML popups aren't much different from the old popups that used to plague the internet. The only real difference is that I haven't seen them used maliciously like the old popups were to be super annoying, but even "good faith" uses were all "hey, stop what you're doing and do this for me" without any shame that went along with a real person doing that in a store.

    I look forward to the day someone gets an AI to block this shit (on the assumption that it's more complicated than blocking the old style popups without interfering with legitimate DHTML and needs context awareness).

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    My theory is that all this is the fault of the cookie law. Before that, the design philosophy was that you could not break the flow of a visitor by pop-ups etc., because they would go somewhere else before even looking at your content.

    When all the big websites suddenly implemented increasingly annoying cooking consent dialogs, the flow was already broken everywhere. And so now the floodgates had opened for all kinds "subscribe to our newsletter", "get a welcome 10% rebate" etc., because users no longer has the expectation of an unbroken flow.

    And, my god was that law stupid. What we needed was carefully balanced non-negotiable limits on what websites were allowed to do in terms of tracking users; what we got was every website implementing a site-dependent UI for functionality already present in every web browser ("turn off cookies"). The rules got different when GDPR arrived later, both for the better and for the worse. But the flow-breaking pop-ups we will probably never get rid of now that the public has learned to live with them.

    End of rant.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    The other thing that sites do now that earns an instant DNS block on my pihole, is capturing the back action that prevents leaving the site to show a pop-up that says “wait, before you go, check out these other articles” or something along those lines. HELL… NO!

    I would like to find the dev who came up with this and shit on his lawn after eating two weeks of burritos.

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  • [–] 104 points 10 months ago (20 children)

    Seriously, all the lutris & co mess is obsolete now.

    Open Steam > add non-steam game > properties > compatibility > force proton 10 > profit

    Worked for all the cough responsibly ripped .exe's I've thrown at it so far

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  • [–] 30 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I still use bottles to have a persistent virtual drive for things like modding tools.

    Most things work perfectly in Steam though.

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  • [–] 16 points 10 months ago

    Yeah. I also use Bottles for GOG / itch games that don't have a native linux version. And I'm pretty happy with how it works. Things install smoothly and easily, and it has a very nice menu for the games I've installed. Here's what it looks like:

    However, there have been some hiccups along the way that might have caused less patient people to give up. In particular, it took me awhile to work out that although I could tell bottle to launch a windows .exe from anywhere on my computer, it would only actually work properly if I first move the exe into the virtual drive - which deep inside a confusing directory structure. (The "troubleshooting" menu option goes directly into talking about this issue; but even finding that menu option isn't totally straight forward, especially if you're just launching the exe from a file browser or something.)

    Anyway, the upshot is that I like bottles; because it is easy to use but also very transparent about how it works and what it is doing, which I like. But I wouldn't say it's the best option for everyone.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    Lutris has allowed me to use battle.net though which I don't think steam can do, afaik. I'm happy to be proven wrong, though

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I run battle.net through Steam. Works just fine.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    Personally I prefer having Battle.net in Lutris (or something else like Bottles) even if you can run it through Steam. I just dislike using a launcher to open another launcher and Lutris avoids that.

    I can understand that the Steam method would be a little easier for some people, but using Lutris for something as popular as Battle.net is really easy too. You just click "Add" and search for "Battle.net" and it does the rest automatically, even downloading the installer. The only thing to be aware of is that you should close the launcher when it gets to the point you are asked to log in which completes the installation, but Lutris tells you that as well.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago

    I also had no(*) trouble installing Battle.net in Heroic Launcher, FWIW. Steam probably shouldn't be much different.

    (*) ok, well, not any more trouble than Battle.net usually is on Linux. The point is after prodding at it for awhile it eventually finished installing and updating and started up properly and has worked fine ever since.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    Thanks, I need to give that a try. Most of my non-Steam games ("Deus Ex", "Giants: Citizen Kabuto") run just fine under Wine, using the default settings. The only one that doesn't work is NOLF 1. (Everything works except music).

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    If I have an .exe from the high seas that still needs to be unpacked/installed how do I deal with it?

    Just started using Linux for playing, currently playing Dispatch (highly recommend it), used Lutris to first install the compacted .exe and then run the launcher .exe. Is there a better way to go about it?

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Hell, I've got a game I legally purchased on CD back in the Win XP days I'd like to play, and the farthest I got is installed but fails to run.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (3 children)

    This may or may not help. But I'll give you the basic steps using wine only and no Proton magic to run a game from disk:

    • Create an empty folder to be your wineprefix (emulated system folder) or use the default.
    • run WINEPREFIX=[full path to new folder] winecfg command in terminal (just winecfg if you will use the default prefix).
    • mount your CD so that you can see it in your file browser. (Might be simply clicking that device in the file browser when a CD is in the drive bay)
    • In the winecfg set drive D: to point to the folder where you mounted the CD.
    • run the CD installer with wine... e.g WINEPREFIX=/some/path wine /media/something/cdrom1/setup.exe, install the game to C:
    • run the game with WINE on the same prefix and with the CD inserted and mounted (if there are resources on the CD or basic DRM) e.g. WINEPREFIX=/some/path wine '/some/path/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Cool Game/coolgame.exe
    • if that works, you might be able to create an image of the disc and mount that instead of the physical CD, you'd then rerun winecfg and set D: to the correct folder where the disk image is mounted.
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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    So, I'm actually very drunk right now and my eyes just slid right off all that, but I want to set my default misanthropy aside for a second and genuinely thank you for taking the time to write up some genuine helpful tech advice. That's really cool of you to have done. I might try that day after tomorrow.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    In heroic, you can add the game and while adding it, click "run installer first" and then install the EXE and copy whatever cracks needed. I needed to do that with a few games that are literally not available anymore on stores.

    Lutris had been so janky for me the past 10 years and many of the installer scripts literally don't install any dependencies anyways that I switched to heroic last year and I no longer have games that work completely fine and then next launch they don't work.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    do steam games run on linux already or something? Like do you only have to do that for non steam games?

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago*

    do steam games run on linux already or something?

    Oversimplification coming, but...

    Most (modern) games can actually just run on Linux already, because Linux is where the best cross platform developer tools are.

    Today, if a developer wants to publish their game to Windows, Mac, Android, Playstation, Nintendo Switch and XBox - the odds are strong that the developer is actually (possibly unwittingly) writing a Linux native game and then using an engine to port the Linux version to the other platforms.

    The reasons for this are complicated, but mainly boil down to Linux being the simplest target to reliably build developer tools for - because every part of Linux is open and public.

    Like do you only have to do that for non steam games?

    If a game is purchased through Steam, Steam launcher knows enough to choose the best available version of the game for the operating system - whether the best version is the Windows executable running under wine/proton, or a native Linux executable.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Some have native Linux versions, while the rest can be "translated" (not strictly emulation, but the concept is close enough) via Proton, a translation layer that Valve introduced with the Steam Deck, which is itself running (arch btw) Linux. I'm not sure what the split is in the catalog, but the steam deck verified list serves as an indication for Linux (for Arch, at least) compatibility in general.

    This is true for both Steam and non-Steam games - the developer or publisher might offer a native Linux version, but packaging is always a mixed bag. This proton trick allows you to run the Windows version with the same compatibility it would have on the steam deck, no matter where it came from.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    IMO, the hardest part of moving over is relearning a bunch of things you've taken for granted. However, Windows has been changing and breaking things at such a rapid pace, that not even my friends who still use it can keep track.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I think the hardest part of moving over is the temptation to dual-boot. Linux is better, but if you have Windows 11 installed and you need to boot into it for something or other, you're never going to use Linux.

    And then there are the challenges of setting up a VM in Linux.,

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I've had a couple of people suggest they were going to dualboot and I often suggest against it. Logging in and out is more of a deterrent than people realize.

    The only instance where I think it would be effective is if you work with MS software, in that case you can get away with having a work OS and a home OS.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    Depends on the person I guess. I set myself up to dual boot. Last time I booted into windows was well over a month ago, and it was during the initial move over to Linux. I still keep a dual boot, but I'm much more inclined to use the new Linux setup rather than Windows (10, I use 11 for work laptop and I am not at all tempted to install it even for a second boot).

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  • [–] 24 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Made the switch during Christmas to Cachyos. I am extremely glad I did, and so relieved to finally be free of Microsofts clammy grasp.

    I already stopped playing online competitive games long ago, so the anti-cheat thing isn't really a problem for me. All the games I want to play works fine, even better in fact than they did on Windows.

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    The competitive game anti-cheat issue is kinda overblown nowadays. A lot of popular competitive FPS games run perfectly fine, anti-cheat and all, on Linux with wine/proton. And the ones that don't either have incredibly invasive anti-cheat that you wouldn't want running on your computer anyways, or have server-side "protections" that properly boot Linux players out of the game for some arbitrary reason.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago

    I'm brave enough to say it

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