The president had yet another strange mark on his hands over Christmas, once again raising concerns that his health is not what he has claimed it to be.

Donald Trump—the oldest person to ever be elected president—was photographed with what appeared to be another bruise on Christmas Eve, this time marring his left hand.

The 79-year-old has repeatedly claimed that he is in pristine condition, brushing off public alarm over his deteriorating body.

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[–] 160 points 10 months ago (34 children)

Hope he's suffering from that ❤️

If we're lucky, we might start 2026 with a state funeral~

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  • [–] [S] 91 points 10 months ago (25 children)

    There will be worldwide celebrations the likes we haven't seen since the end of WW II.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    I plan on celebrating that illustrious day, but I do think we need to temper expectations a bit. I am truly not convinced it will actually change much. Trump is a symptom not the mastermind.

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  • [–] 23 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yes, but Trump is the figurehead of a cult of personality and those never survive the loss of their face. There are enough loose cannons and outright insane people within the conservative political sphere that even if there is some kind of secret master plan on what to do after Trump is gone, once the inevitable shitstorm of internal backstabbing starts as everyone desperately scrambles to put themselves at the top it's likely to all go down in flames.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    The RWA (Right Wing Authoritarian) personality type is notorious about lining up behind a figure they deem as "strong", though. Suggested reading: Bob Altemeyer's The Authoritarians.

    So I guess we'll see.

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  • [–] 53 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    it won't solve our problems though.

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  • [–] 47 points 10 months ago (6 children)

    There's a bunch of problems derived from the child rapist existence so I'd say it will solve a few.

    And will give us satisfaction for seeing a child rapist kick the bucket, that's always good news.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    I'd rather see him actually face justice

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    It won’t happen, he’ll die, he’ll rest in state, and we’ll all try to forget

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    And perpetuate the rest as everyone starts acting like the problem is over and they can return to before

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    Do then hopefully it goes one and off getting worse and more painful to the point where he's barley functional enough to keep being the king but not doing much else? Can he do that for his country for the next 3 years? Or maybe until November?

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  • [–] 13 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (1 child)

    So do I not fix my car's transmission because I also have worn brake pads and a broken window?

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    If it also had a rusty chassis and needs 4 new tires and the window is back ordered or no longer available, it might be time for a whole new used car.

    What I’m trying to say is that if the midterms don’t go well, my family and I are going to look into that Canadian descendants citizenship thing.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    It fear it will be the same as with Charlie Kirk. A very loud minority along with an army of AI social media users will agressively threaten anyone who says that the death was not a huge loss.

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  • [–] 15 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    I've said it before, but when that headline comes through, I'm going to buy a flag pole, a flag, and raise that thing to the top. I'll remove all of it after the half staff order ends, but I want everyone that drives by to know just how I feel.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago

    I do wonder how many of those we may be seeing...

    If Republicans and centrists and some so-called leftists and liberals clutch their pearls over it - first of all, FUCK THEM. But, secondly, remind them that the conservatives are the ones that raised the flags for Donvict's inauguration even though Carter was being remembered by having flags at half-mast just prior.

    This is the party that lowered flags for that POS of Charlie Kirk. Some people just don't deserve this honor.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    You're forgetting that Vance will become president. He might be even worse.

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    He lacks everything that made trump president, the first thing the fact that he is not trump. MAGA is a cult of personality, they worship trump. The couch-fucker is way behind trump in the maga likeability. He does not move masses as the child rapist does. He will become president, yes, but the maga cult will implode and they will enjoy a civil war in their own party for that.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    You're forgetting that Vance will become president. He might be even worse.

    Given that the same puppeteers have their hands up Vance's ass, that and Vance is not an incontinent geriatric moron, he could be much worse.

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  • [–] 138 points 10 months ago* (13 children)

    I've lost track of the Trump period calendar going into the holidays, but my bet remains:

    https://www.verywellhealth.com/injectable-alzheimers-drugs-8776312

    In the open-label trial of subcutaneous Leqembi, 8% of patients experienced reactions at the injection site, and most side effects were mild or moderate, according to Eisai.

    People who take Leqembi and Kisunla are required to get an MRI brain scan once a quarter to check for signs of brain damage, such as swelling and bleeding. Such amyloid-related imaging abnormalities (ARIA) can occur when someone uses a drug designed to clear amyloid. Most ARIA are asymptomatic or cause mild symptoms, but some ARIA require hospitalization and special treatment.

    Eisai reported that people who received subcutaneous injections had slightly higher rates of ARIA than those who got an IV infusion, but the sample size of the injection group was small enough that an exact comparison can’t be made.

    Trumps' been on this 28 day schedule of being very peppy, then dragging ass, then being practically dead, then getting his pep back. It lines up with the visual symptoms we see with his hands. He's also on his like, 3rd or 4th "annual"* MRI for the year.

    *there is no annual MRI

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  • [–] 53 points 10 months ago (5 children)

    This person is not fit and should be in a home.

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    I specialize in orthopedics and rehabilitation, so this isn't exactly my expertise. However, a lot of my patients are geriatrics and a lot of geriatric patients have hand bruising, especially if they are on a blood thinner like warfarin.

    Imo when Trump has his meeting with Putin in Alaska when his entire team panicked, I think he had a bit of a stroke. Strokes are pretty common after long plane rides, especially when you are 80 and your diet is mainly fast foods filled with trans and saturated fats.

    We already know he's probably got something like PVD due to his peripheral edema, so a stroke or other cardiovascular events aren't really surprising. I just think he's on warfarin or some other thinner that causes peripheral bruising.

    I personally doubt this is from an IV, as the hand isn't the only place you can place those. If he was trying to obscure his treatment they would just place the IV in his forearm.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    The hand or the arm are specifically cited as where to place the IV for this class of drugs (at least in the material I've been able to read). It also explains the 3 month cycle (ish) of MRI's, which is called for because this class of drugs increases potential for brain damage (hence the MRI's).

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    The hand or the arm are specifically cited as where to place the IV for this class of drugs (at least in the material I've been able to read).

    I mean that's most IV drugs as it's the least invasive place to do it. However, for someone trying to obscure their health problems an IV in the hand is crazy.

    explains the 3 month cycle (ish) of MRI's

    Same for something like a stroke, or even a slip and fall tbi.

    The point is that there are plenty of reasons for an elderly person to have bruising on their hands, but experimental Alzheimer's treatment is a bit far-fetched.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    Sure. Its just where I see the body of evidence lining up. Not with tbi or stroke, but with an Alzheimer's diagnosis coupled with the "the very best" treatment medical science has to offer. TBI and stroke are just as speculative but don't explain other aspects of what we see (the very clear cycle of pep and pause). Which is why I'm "betting" that its an Alzheimer's diagnosis. Its a longer shot (maybe), but because its a longer shot the payoff for being right is higher.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm 70, in great health, I exercise regularly and have a healthy diet. Even with all that, when I had surgery recently that required general anesthetic, I came home with a massive hematoma on the back of my hand as a souvenir of a less-than-optimally-placed IV cannula.

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  • [–] 86 points 10 months ago (13 children)

    The White House previously said that Trump's hand looked that way because he shook so many hands. So, how can they explain it on his left hand? Did he get it from jerking off two horses at once or something?

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    Don't be ridiculous. He doesn't jerk horses off. He doesn't do anything for anyone else.

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  • [–] 40 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (17 children)

    Some people speculate is dementia drug infusions.

    I did work for about a year doing pharm research for Alzheimer's. Most of those drugs are infusions.

    However. None of them stop or reverse loss.

    They just slow it down And they aren't even that effective. Honestly the data I saw.... My opinion was. :

    -Desperate people are going to pay this $1200 a month infusion cost for literally no benefit and extra risks.

    Based on the documents I read, for one of the drugs we were testing (I forget the drug but I recall it's already used to treat ALS)-

    The dosage needed to cause a change in Alzheimer's would have a serious health risk of brain bleeding.

    The dose we were using was like 1/3 of the expected effectiveness dosage.

    I thought this was kind of unethical because people signed up to be in the study with the hope of a medicine that would help them. And that's how it was presented to them.

    However. The study was really just trying to see how much brain bleeding occured at 1/3 dose.

    With zero expectations for actual effectiveness on slowing down the progress.

    I did not like the ethical issues with this line of work.

    Anywho I have gotten on a tangent.

    The other thing I wanted to say is , if these drugs are to have any effects in slowing (but none stop or reverse , just to be 100% clear on this), then the person MUST start them with early symptoms. What is called "mild cognitive impairment".

    They do nothing if symptoms are already noticeable.

    And most people don't realize they have dementia until it's already moderate because they mask their symptoms. Or their symptoms are often excused because "pops/Mom is getting old and that's normal".

    Its progressive.

    Slow at first. And most don't notice until it's gotten pretty bad.

    Trump almost certainly has fronto temporal dementia.

    I'm not the only neuroscientist to say so.

    I'm not clinical but I did work with dementia patients. Plus many clinicians are saying the same.

    He's got classic text ook symptoms.

    People excuse his word salad because it slowly got worse.

    But read out loud anything he writes or says.

    It's nonsense. That's not normal. Read this and it's a good example of Trump's speech patterns.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Logorrhea_%28psychology%29&wprov=rarw1

    -In a more extreme version of logorrhea aphasia, a clinician asked a male patient, also with Wernicke's aphasia, what brought him to the hospital. The patient responded:

    -Is this some of the work that we work as we did before? ... All right ... From when wine [why] I'm here. What's wrong with me because I ... was myself until the taenz took something about the time between me and my regular time in that time and they took the time in that time here and that's when the time took around here and saw me around in it's started with me no time and I bekan [began] work of nothing else that's the way the doctor find me that way ...[5]

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    -In a more extreme version of logorrhea aphasia, a clinician asked a male patient, also with Wernicke’s aphasia, what brought him to the hospital. The patient responded:

    -Is this some of the work that we work as we did before? … All right … From when wine [why] I’m here. What’s wrong with me because I … was myself until the taenz took something about the time between me and my regular time in that time and they took the time in that time here and that’s when the time took around here and saw me around in it’s started with me no time and I bekan [began] work of nothing else that’s the way the doctor find me that way …[5]

    is bro an autocomplete

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    Then you also know he could go another 10 years like this. I'm not optimistic about an election; I think he's in power until he whiffs his last Adderall. His handlers have a stake in this. They'll keep him barely ambulatory for as long as they can, because the orders he's signing and the countries he's attacking are all Miller.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    Yeah you can do a weekend at Bernie's for a long time with enough money to hire full time health care.

    I mean the guy beat covid. When it killed so many others in better health than he was in. That's money there.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Someone close to me got early-onset frontotemporal dementia. It progressed rapidly, he was dead within six years. The variant he had made him nonverbal rather than getting logorrhea. It's an absolutely hellish condition, possibly even worse than standard Alzheimers. I'd see my friend every couple of months (I live far from where he did) and even in that period, you could see the decline.

    With Trump's venous insufficiency, he could also be getting vascular dementia, rather than Alzheimers. But then, it would make less sense that they'd be treating him with an Alzheimers drug.

    Regardless of what it is, he deserves to suffer horribly.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    gonna be honest, i think the drug accelerates als.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (3 children)

    Considering that micro brain bleeds are a common side effect. I don't see how it wouldn't ultimately do more harm than good.

    I read all the documentation on that als drug. The people who wrote it said something like the micro brain bleeds were found with mri scans but cognitive testing didn't reveal that they caused any impairment.

    I was like. Wtf.
    Do these people not know how the brain works?

    Damage is damage. Something has been lost. Regardless if a test found whatever that loss was or not.

    Only broad extensive testing of multiple cognitive and motor functions could determine if the micro bleeds were or weren't doing harm. And there are complications with doing that much testing. Plus why would they want to uncover support for increased loss. ?

    That was my first experience working in pharmaceutical research and it honestly has made me certain I never will work in pharm research again.

    I wonder how many desperate people are paying for drugs with minimum therapeutic value and much higher risks than they think.

    I feel like Alzheimer's drugs are predatory in nature because we KNOW that you can't reverse the damage. And there is ample evidence that the processes of dementia likely start in the 30s.

    If there is any chance of treating/curing it, it's going to be identifying it early and treating it then. Like in the 30s. And there already is research on going in that area.

    But greedy companies want to drain gramp's savings before he dies.

    And also. The plaque and tau proteins are likely not the cause but a symptom. So drugs that target them are also probably worthless.

    There is just so much research on this. It's unbelievable that they are pushing drugs to target the tau and plaque when we know that's not the cause.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    greedy companies want to drain gramp’s savings before he dies.

    weird enough, insurance covered it 100%. like, they covered all his als stuff 100%. i think it had to do something with the war.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I'm glad it was covered for yours. Some insurance is better than others.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    thanks! it's a long and complicated story like it always is. Short version, dad was both in the military (which helped with the insurance, since ALS is considered a service related condition) and he was in a major ongoing medical study involving the brain, so i called in every favor i could in the insurance industry and believe me, i worked in medical accounting for a few decades i had a few levers i had been holding onto for emergencies. everything happened fast and smooth. couldn't have gotten better care for him.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I feel like I can actually get a somewhat of a sense of what this person is trying to communicate though. It seems like there's an actual idea underneath all the confusion. With Trump, I'm not so sure that's the case.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It's just severe in Trump. Its progressive. It will continue to get more and more incoherent.

    This is why it's obvious that he's far more impaired than what most people are guessing.

    When he started confabulating , that was another big red flag. Confabulations are something that only starts at severe damage levels.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    The dosage needed to cause a change in Alzheimer's would have a serious health risk of brain bleeding.

    Do all of these drugs have this risk? It starts to line up when it was alleged Trump's team freaked out about Trump apparently having a 'mini-stroke' whilst meeting Putin (someone else in this thread), and when Trump was photographed earlier this year with a visible facial droop on his right side...

    https://www.yahoo.com/news/articles/trump-facial-droop-9-11-002129721.html

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    I'm not "concerned" or "alarmed" that he may be in poor health.

    I'm cautiously hopeful that he may be in poor health.

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  • [–] 27 points 10 months ago

    Old fuck donald had a mark, P-A-E-D-O.

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  • [–] 26 points 10 months ago

    It's really no mystery. It's where he gets the infusions of baby blood to keep him alive.

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    My father had those bruises on his hands in the last coupe years of his life. I don't care what caused them. I know what they mean. Can't happen fast enough.

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  • [–] 17 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (6 children)

    When you're going through regular intravenous treatments, using one arm or another puts stress on the local vascular system, so they switch arms after some time to not cause issues.

    This suuurrreee looks like he's been getting intravenous infusions of some sort. Probably not Chemo because they'd install a port to prevent this exact kind of problem.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Probably Leqembi for his Alzheimer's, although I wouldn't be surprised if he's regularly having parts of his blood volume replaced or run through dialysis.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I don't know why people are thinking this is from an infusion. The hand isn't the only place you can place an IV, if they wanted to be discreet they could just as easily place it in the forearm.

    To me it looks like the regular peripheral bruising you see with patients on a blood thinner like warfarin. A good chunk of my geriatric patient population has regular bruising just like this on their hands/forearms it's not unusual to see in elderly patients, especially if they like Trump exhibit signs of peripheral vascular disease like edema of the lower limbs.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    They wouldn't use the elbow or forearm for specific drugs which may cause pain to prevent vascular bruising and extensive pain reducing range of motion, or if it is something that requires a slow enough drip that you wouldn't want it introduced close to arteries.

    Or you know...somebody who might have a less than lucid moment and rip it out.

    There's a reason why nurses use that location extensively for infusions.

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