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If chemtrails aren't real, then explain this phenomenon:

This reminds me of the dipshits that wanted to legislate that the value of pi == 3.
Fucking brainless.
They are passing them to win points with their base. Their base just happens to be morons.
If people could not be so fucking stupid, that'd be great. Thanks.
If you scare enough ppl about it, it exists. WMD's, pot crazed rapists, fentanol slinging Mexicans, Africans eating pets. When has reality ever gotten in the way of scaring white middle class America?
Well, if you pass a law outlawing Bigfoot and then no one ever runs across Bigfoot, I guess that means the law worked, right?
There are already laws specifically intended to enforce rules that were written by a bunch of ancient goatherders, about a magical sky granpa who can't be proven to exist.
I suppose the condensing water vapor forming water crystals after a plane is a chemical too. So I guess the chemtrails are sort of real, but it is just water, and it's completely harmless.
The correct name for the phenomenon is contrails. Which unfortunately contains con as the lead of the word, so that's probably not helpful either.
The cause is hot air ejected from the jet engine creates water vapor, that is quickly cooled down at the low temperatures at high altitudes, this forms ice crystals that create the characteristic white trails after jet planes.
This is a result of physics, and it makes no sense to try to ban that, because physical laws of nature supersede human law every time.
Meanwhile small engine planes still use leaded gas. But you don’t see politicians trying to outlaw that.
I know I've seen a few of these laws verbiage and the only thing it would do is prevent farmers from crop dusting and other shit like cloud seeding, since that's done by spraying chemicals out of aircraft and that's what the laws are trying to stop. But for completely made-up, paranoid delusional reasons.
It shows the public that they are at least going through the motions, and doing something, rather than not doing anything at all, which is what they are doing.
This is what happens when you elect clueless idiots. Admittedly it’s funny seeing the chemtards wondering why they are still there after they got banned, as if they expected a perfectly clear sky after lol
Chemtrails aren't real, but contrails are absolutely a thing, which the airline industry should be regulated to limit. They are a huge source of the global warning that airplanes cause: https://youtu.be/QoOVqQ5sa08
hmmm that doesn’t really track imo: the amount of water that planes emit is negligible, and even if they do seed clouds they’re not actually creating significant cloud systems without the moisture in the atmosphere, which absolutely dwarfs anything that planes emit… remember the amount of moisture in the atmosphere is all the rain produced before aviation, and the amount of moisture in the atmosphere emitted by aviation is at most the difference between that rain and the rain since aviation (i’d wager it’s far less than 0.01%)
and seed clouds don’t actually create more clouds overall: they just move them from other locations. clouds are formed when humidity reaches a particular level at a particular layer of the atmosphere which exceeds the airs ability to hold onto it at that level, and the cloud stops forming when when it has reduced the humidity to the level to which it stays in the atmosphere
How do you suggest airlines limit physics and chemistry?
Using currently available weather data to change flight routes. You can predict where they are likely to form and tell planes to avoid those airspaces.
If you watch the video I posted you'll hear a scientist who's studied this problem and shown it to be quite viable, for only a few dollars more per ticket. It's incredibly low hanging fruit that should've been implemented yesterday.
You can also check this website to read more about it https://contrails.org/
Hmmm. I see one problem with this. The cost estimate is very pie in the sky. If all air transport does this then that is going to lead to massive delays. Having a kilometer thick chunk of airspace unusable is cutting out 4 usable altitudes. Those planes now crowd already crowded airspace above and below. Not saying it shouldn't be tried but we should be more realistic about the cost.
Wait there are laws about chemtrails?
This is such a waste of time and money. Everybody knows the real looming emergency is putting a fence up around the entire flat earth so we don't fall off the edge.
It is literally impossible to know how many have perished over the edge, but it is a LOT, and it has been going on throughout all of human history. It's long past time to stop the carnage!
Except… they’re not the same thing. Geoengineering has been going on for over half a century, and involves dumping particles into different layers of the atmosphere. These particles are generally inert, but cause localized condensation.
That’s a totally different thing than the chemtrail conspiracies which argue that chemicals that aren’t inert are being distributed to make it into the air we breathe and the water we drink in order to alter the behavior of people.
Chemtrails are effectively closer to microplastic pollution than they are to geoengineering.
People hear about cloud seeding, which is very much a thing, and go "See! See! I TOLD YOU!" When it very much is not the same thing as "chemtrails".
https://www.dri.edu/cloud-seeding-program/what-is-cloud-seeding/
chemtrail conspiracies which argue that chemicals that aren’t inert are being distributed to make it into the air we breathe and the water we drink in order to alter the behavior of people.
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/us-admits-bio-weapons-tests/
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalscience
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/1950-us-released-bioweapon-san-francisco-180955819/
Why do people down vote documented facts?
I could post documented facts about the chemtrails ants leave, and I’d be voted down too.
Because neither is really what the discussion is about here.
Er. My links are directly linked to chemtrail conspiracies. Not ants. e.g.
One chapter of the report, 'The Fluorescent Particle Trials', reveals how between 1955 and 1963 planes flew from north-east England to the tip of Cornwall along the south and west coasts, dropping huge amounts of zinc cadmium sulphide on the population
Because we live in a society of disingenuous assholes. The end.
it's less important for the far right who currently holds control to do things than it is to be seen as doing things. i have an ur-conspiracy theory that every outlandish conspiracy theory is a distraction from a believable conspiracy. this does a few things:
- makes people who talk about conspiracies sound like nuts
- creates a legion of true believers who will dismiss the true conspiracies as lies
- normalizes the audacity of the worst of the conspiracy theories so that when someone starts conducting the framework for the false conspiracy everyone just kinda rolls with it
chemtrails are, ultimately, a distraction from that what's poisoning our air and water isn't additives in jet exhaust, but instead the byproducts of burning fossil fuels like jet fuel. by addressing chemtrails without addressing fossil fuels, the ruling class performed a bit of trickery. for the people who believe in chemtrails and are worried about the poisoning of our air and water, this is now a solved problem. for the people who aren't keyed in hardly at all, this seems like a compromise between the right and the left, and like some progress is being made to protect our natural habitats.
if we want to survive our most powerful weapon is to continue speaking truth into the world
Your theory is completely provable. Remember how loud the pizza-gate nut jobs were? And now that some of the Epstein documents are starting to come out, it's all crickets.
for sure. i didn't come about this theory with zero thought haha. see also how many people will tell you the world is controlled by a secret cabal of yiddish speaking aliens manipulating lizard people billionaires and then the panama papers come out and NOTHING
I’ve peeped 8chan a couple times over the last year and the conspirators are still conspiracying re Epstein but the mainstream right has abandoned them because it’s not politically convenient to bring raging right wing antisemitism into the narrative right now. I learned a new slur every time I visited.
I would like to think that speaking the truth is the solution but it only works with those who actually have the capacity to think and reason. In contrast, big money has the luxury of buying and promoting the media view points that they want us to believe. Most people take the easy route that doesn't involve the work of thinking. Discerning truth is work - believing bullshit is the easy route.
It has been my experience that both those on the left, and right, fall for the "chemtrail" crap.
As climate change kills folks off, some will survive by learning.
When people begin to starve or become homeless they will be forced to confront survival rather than conspiracy nonsense.
God isn't real either, but politicians keep passing laws to force their delusions onto others.
Several weeks ago I overheard two of my neighbors making small talk about the weather, and how it would be perfect if it weren't for all those gosh-darned chemtrails everywhere.
That is the view of reality that is guiding public policy today.
NoFX nailed it with Idiots Are Taking Over
They're preemptive, CYA kinds of laws.
Like the law against whale hunting in Utah.
Good news: We should see fewer CONtrails soon; https://nebula.tv/videos/simonclark-how-airlines-can-halve-their-climate-impact (or https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoOVqQ5sa08 )
We COULD see fewer contrails.
It require voting for leaders and lawmakers who will give airlines insentives to reduce their environmental impact. It could be regulation, taxes, tax breaks, wharever works best to reduce harm from aviation.
I remember the video saying that the airline they engaged with for the study and one other airline were already implementing the changes voluntarily.
While I agree that the right leaders and policies continue to be important, even on this very specific issue, I believe we'll see an improvement without another round of voting.
Good. Next we need to get laws passed banning big pharma from putting 5G chips in vaccines.
Then we can pass a law banning autism in vaccines.
Or just ban vaccines. I don't know, I'm not a doctor. Whatever Dr Oz and RFK Jr says.
Because they can go to their constituents and say "these are our accomplishments, vote for us" and they will vote for them.
Chemtrails; now that's an ancient conspiracy theory that I didn't expect to see making a comeback. Can't wait to see laws against GMOs. /s
Aren't contrails like, really bad for climate? And it would be really easy to divert some routes to shave off a significant part of contrail-caused warming?
Yes. Persistent contrails - i.e. aviation-induced cirrus clouds which spread in supersaturated air layers - are indeed bad for the climate, but often their effect is ignored as hard to quantify, while the simpler small effect of short-lived contrails is conveniently cited instead.
Also, while all high clouds have a warming effect by reflecting infra-red radiation back to earth, there can also be a cooling effect due to reflecting solar radiation, which is greater when the angle of the sun is low. So the net effect is warming in the middle of the day and at night, but cooling in morning and evening.
Yes. Kinda, just a little regulation could reduce them a lot.
But here's the thing. Congress does not give a shit about the climate. They will never pass anything like you're suggesting because they're for sale. Only a major structural change that eliminates coercion/bribery from regulatory votes will work.
Congress as we know it fighting climate change is about as realistic as unicorns and Bigfoot.
Politicians pass pointless laws for the same reasons why you invent ridiculous tasks at work. To give the impression that you (or they) are accomplishing something and to get paid.
Except you do it for minimum wage and it directly affects maybe 2 people worldwide. Plus, you're the one paying the politicians' salary.
Be more specific. Don't just use the word "politicians." You're providing cover for them by presenting both sides as the same. At least in today's political landscape, it's only the right that gets caught in these endless fever dreams of imagined threats. It's just one mad thing after another with Republicans, as they actively court the deranged and crazy. Anti-vax, chemtrails, etc. used to be fairly nonpartisan, but the Republican party has completely absorbed the conspiracy theorist crowd from both sides of the political spectrum. Just consider all the fever dreams Republicans have chased even just recently:
- Chem trails
- Vaccine denial
- Blood libel and genocidal fear mongering against trans people
- Immigrants eating domestic pets
- Entire cities delusionally labeled as active war zones.
Don't help Republicans. This isn't a "politician" issue. This is a Republican issue. There is simply nothing comparable on the left to the right's need to endlessly whip up their 5 minutes of hate against the other. Only one side embraces this kind of madness. And by using neutral terms like "politicians," you are ultimately enabling this behavior.
Stop using the word Republican, that was just the larval stage which morphed into its final form: MAGA. This is where the Republican party has been rampaging toward for decades, and they have finally arrived.
The Republican party, and it's purported ideals, is as dead as the Whigs, and should only be referred to in an historical or scholarly context.
Just call them MAGA from now on.
It's obvious what's going on here. The majority of Republican leaders, along with a few democrats, are actually aliens from a warmer planet. They're here to prepare Earth for the arrival of their civilization, who has already fled their dying world. They're expecting their arrival in the near future.
The aliens that are already here have infiltrated government, traditional media, and social media organizations around the world and are working to ensure we ignore the science and continue dumping CO2 into the atmosphere. If everything continues "business as usual," then our planet will be nearing perfection by their deadline.
One of the feasible ways we could cool our planet down is by using airplanes to spray aerosolized sulfates into the stratosphere. We've already been accidentally doing this by burning certain fuels. When "we" recently agreed to stop using such fuels, warming accelerated. Some human scientists have noticed this and believe it would be possible to spray the sulfates in the stratosphere where they would be more effective at cooling the planet and less environmentally damaging than emitting from the ground.
That is why they're making a preemptive attack on chemtrails, although there is some internal disagreement among the aliens about whether this is the best course of action. One faction believes it is more straightforward to accelerate warming now, hence outlawing sulfate containing fuels and preemptively banning chemtrails. The other faction reasons it would be more disruptive to actually allow chemtrails for cooling purposes. Their thinking is that they could continue to prevent humans from cutting emissions, but allow the humans to artificially cool the planet. The level of CO2 would continue to increase, and then, for spurious economic or geopolitical reasons, the flights would be stopped and therefore the cooling mask pulled off, resulting in a sudden temperature increase. This could be more disruptive than the straightforward plan since it would be more chaotic.
You might like the movie The Arrival (1996).
Somebody's been watching/reading Three-body Problem.
I did enjoy that storyline
I mean, unicorn is the official animal of Scotland, so can we really rule them out?
Sasquatch are real. Chemtrails are not. Prove me wrong.
No, sasquatch aren't real.
Proof: Quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur.
FBI? Yes it's this guy.
Yes, "chem trails" aren't real. But weather modification absolutely is and you can read government pages detailing the programs since the 60's. We ABSOLUTELY have been putting chemicals in the atmosphere to attempt weather alteration.
Whether this is a good or bad thing is not my point. My point is all these bullshit articles attacking a strawman that doesn't exist. These programs do exist. Conflating them with the chemtrail conspiracy is bullshit tho.
Here's a government website detailing Santa Barbara, California's cloud seeding program that has existed since the 80's
Cloud Seeding (Precipitation Enhancement) | Santa Barbara County, CA - https://www.countyofsb.org/2548/Cloud-Seeding-Precipitation-Enhancement
This is what those laws are targeting, not "every planes condensation trail is actually a secret government device spewing mind control chemicals". Stop calling it "chemtrails" when the very real "weather modification" programs are right there.
Cloud seeding using silver nitrate was developed in the 1980s. It is rarely used as the cost is insane (its silver nitrate).
The patent for using silver iodide was made in 1976 by Bernard Vonnegut and Henry Chessin , based upon work that had been going on since 1946 by Vincent Schaefer and Irving Langmuir.
"Common agents include silver iodide, potassium iodide, and dry ice, with hygroscopic materials like table salt gaining popularity due to their ability to attract moisture."
So you're just wrong. Flat out wrong.

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