"the medium is silica crystal, similar to optical cable, it's highly durable. It's also capacious: The technology can store up to 360 TB of data on a 5-inch glass platter."

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[–] 150 points 11 months ago (1 child)
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    [–] 55 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (16 children)

    I wonder what the read write speed is. Imagine storing your entire movie collection in a crystal the size of a coaster.

    Might not be for home consumers anytime soon, article says: “In the next 18 months, the company hopes to have a field-deployable read device that customers can use to read archived data. But SPhotonix isn't presently targeting the consumer market. Kazansky estimates that the initial cost of the read device will be about $6,000 and the initial cost of the write device will be about $30,000.”

    Then goes on to mention they need about 3-4 years of R&D so they can be ready to license the tech

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  • [–] 49 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    If it's slow, then it's the central backup and you use anything else for regular use. Just having it as a fallback for recovery would be huge.

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  • [–] 39 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I’ll have a crystal collection that’s actually useful

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    That’s cheap enough a small business could do long term backups for individuals and other small businesses.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (6 children)

    That's the joke. The speed of a lot of these tech would require twice the time the data retention to write it.

    We can place atoms in order on the head of this pin and store 30 Pb. Write speed? 1KB/min

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (5 children)

    Did you read the article? 30mbps is faster than a lot of people’s internets. It’s not fast, but for a prototype, it’s not bad.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (4 children)

    You need to put the capacity into perspective with the storage speed. The comment I made simply highlighted the issue with an extreme example... For the reasoning provided. And as someone who's worked with emerging tech before... 30 Mbps is their ideal lap time in a lab environment. Do remember that 100 Mbps is considered absurdly slow for networking. 1Gbps sounds fast but even those transfer rates move into hours and days for larger file transfers.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (3 children)

    This is explicitly stated to be for cold storage though. It doesn’t have to be fast at all. And they’re supposedly aiming for 500mbps soon.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (2 children)

    They are at 30 presently. The "standard" is somewhere around 300-500 which, again, is acceptable for cold storage at the current tape drive size of 10-30tb.

    There are minimums expected as density increases. Cold storage / backup still needs this to be viable.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)

    I suppose it could be considered a trade-off? There’s the obvious advantages of longevity and possible size(?), it van still be viable in some niche uses where that matters. Github’s code vault from a while back could have benefited from that.

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    We are talking theoretical here, of course. For enterprise to even give it a realistic look it needs to outperform very time tested equipment so... Were probably looking at needing to beat on cost, capacity, speed... Or to put it simply its actual value / cost for implementation. Currently there are a few different research grade projects at various stages of lab testing... And this, like those, needs to fundamentally provide (noteworthy) gains over the existing and also be able to be consistent outside of the lab. Were a fair bit away from that yet.

    I mentioned earlier that we are in dire need of meaningful, long term, non-magnetic storage... And I genuinely believe that. But while I can be interested in the tech - it still needs to be viewed with a critical eye until it can produce results.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 11 months ago

    Manipulating the atoms in a crystal to store info is extremely high-precision, as is verifying the accuracy of the write). So is reading positions down to a few nanometers, But consumers wouldn't need a $6000 reader to get, say, 10GB dumped to a hard drive ... you'd carry your crystal and 16GB drive down to the corner store and user their reader to dump sector 37BJ to the drive. No need to trust them with your platter ... but are you exposing all 360TB to potential damage from the machine?

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  • [–] 76 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (7 children)

    Remember that CDs, CDRs, and so on were originally pitched as surviving 100 years. Turns out they last a highly variable amount of time but potentially as little as 2-3 years before they degrade, depending on the construction.

    So I'll just say, this is clearly a theoretical value.

    Edit: Words.

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  • [+] 20 points 11 months ago (1 child)
  • CD-R and CD-RW discs use different methods of data encoding, and were never advertised as having similar longevity.

    I mean...sorry, but this is wrong. Mitsui CDRs for example are still being sold on retail sites advertising 100+ (and sometimes 300+) year longevity. Similar to bitrot, internet rot makes it hard to find advertisements from the 90s, but I am comfortable that was true then too and not limited to "gold" high quality discs like Mitsui.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    How can you be so sure they haven't already done durability testing??

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Because they weren't invented in 1925? Any durability testing you do today is about assumptions where you accelerate the process for a year by heating it or exposing it to water or whatever will degrade it most to some factor above normal and then extrapolate. That extrapolation was wildly wrong with CDs and it could be with this medium too. Or it might last a lot longer. What they have not done is written to a bunch of them and stored them in a variety of ways for 100 years and concluded they last that long.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The ones with metal pigment are still waiting to fail, the ones that died used a cheap organic dye, coz profit. This is Silica (i.e. quartz, a long lived rock) with variances in polarization and intensity,( hence 5D when combined with a 3D Crystal))

    OK generic marketing crap and will you have their special reader in a century, but it's a solid way to project knowledge into the far future (gotta wonder if we need to re-examine some quartz crystals with this in mind ;}

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    [–] 26 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Excellent, I will catalog my journals of my metamorphosis into a giant worm on these.

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  • [–] 25 points 11 months ago

    Best prank idea: Put someone's browsing history on one of those.

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    What if some civilization in the past already had something like this, and there are 'plates' or pieces of rock out there (under sand dunes? written in the sides of those vases from ancient Egypt?)

    Could they make portable readers that can at least spot old pottery chunks that are probably FULL of videos?

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  • [–] 23 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    See, now this is the tech I would understand pouring billions into. Give every nation on earth a durable copy of the last 100 years of medicine, physics, biology. That's what a reasonable ruling class ought to do.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    At least give them to the nations which aren't currently trying to ignore and undo the last 100 years of medicine, physics, and biology. (Sorry, United States.)

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    and just like every other storage medium, it will last for eons..and die about .5 femtoseconds before you have a critical need to pull data off.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    prints article out

    places it on an overflowing, ancient pile of documents of promising, science proved data storage methods that haven't made it to public use yet

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    I'm up to 45TB of actual used storage. I just want another tape analog. I want inexpensive, slow, long-term storage I can move off-site easily. This paying double to keep disks around and then moving them in boxes is just bad, and online storage is stupid expensive at those sizes.

    Was running on Backblaze for years until they screwed around with my client enough that I can't backup my NAS reliably. I'm not a company, I'm not going to pay the cost of my disks every year to store the content of my disks.

    I've been considering for a few years standing up a 2u box in colocation.

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  • [–] 19 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Finally some worthy storage for memes!

    Eat your heart out Ea-nāṣir.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Those aliens from the future will be so amazed when they find a disc with 360 TB of cat videos.

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  • [–] 18 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    But is it safe from the cats? 😼

    glass shattering sounds

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago

    Oh good it can fit the next Call of Duty game.

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    How hf can you have 5D space within 3D space? This sounds like marketing bullshit.

    The 5D Memory Crystal stores data by using tiny voxels – 3D pixels – in fused silica glass, etched by femtosecond laser pulses. These voxels possess "birefringence," meaning that their light refraction characteristics vary depending upon the polarization and direction of incoming light. 

    That difference in light orientation and strength can be read in conjunction with the voxel's location (x, y, z coordinates), allowing data to be encoded in five dimensional space.

    Oh, I get it now. It's a five-dimensional mathematical space which is given by the three physical space dimensions plus the difference in light orientation and the difference the light strength.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago

    It's not strength, but rotation. Shoot a photon at the cube at a certain spot, you get data out of it. Hit the same spot in the cube with light that is polarized perpendicular to the first, and you get different data out of it.

    Er... that's what it sounds like, anyway...

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  • [–] 12 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    5D is the wrong term, the correct term is multiplex.

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  • [–] 15 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Oh yeah? Well take a look at these Elder Scrolls over here.

    Wait no, not literally! 😵‍💫 🔥

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago (4 children)

    Open AI just bought out all the glass platter production. Not only will consumers not be able to store their data for 14gy, they won't have anywhere to set down their drinks either

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    Waiting for the consumer reader and writer of those things, call me then

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  • [–] 45 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    A friendly request - please de-clickbait your headlines and say what the material is (although you do mention it in your summary).

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    Is it rewritable to an extensive degree? If not its just a backup medium, not day-to-day storage. Still useful, but more disposable.

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    This is the type of thing that would be used for storage of essential human data rather than for general data backups I think

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (1 child)

    I would argue, and I'm sure many historians and librarians and archivists would agree, that "general data backups" are essential human data. Storing the data allows for later analysis, which may provide important insights. Even things that seem trivial and unimportant today can provide very important insights later.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    The article says itis designed for cold storage of data, e.g. backups, or perhaps things that get written once and accessed infrequently. 

    "Statistics show that between 60 to 80 percent of all data which is currently stored globally is classed as cold data," said Kazansky. "However, because of the way that humanity is developing, because of all of the budgets and AI and so on and so forth, a lot of businesses historically have been like, 'look, we are just going to use hard disk drives or SSDs,' which are expensive, which are bad for the environment because they consume a lot of energy. They're non-recyclable. They fail often, but they're just easier to use. Through inertia, people have been using the incorrect type of tool for a use case that can be used with a different tool."

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