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[–] 114 points 11 months ago (7 children)

between measles and covid, there are a lot of people walking around who are immuno-compromised now & don't even know it yet, beyond a vague idea that they don't remember being sick so often before a few years ago.

i really hope that the us swings away from fascism & eugenics and moves towards things like free healthcare asap, because it really doesn't have to be like this.

the huge cheers from all sides for the death of a healthcare ceo really shows that there are basic needs like healthcare & housing & UBI that have broad support, far beyond what culture war BS would have people believe, imo.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago* (4 children)

    Sick for the second time in less than a month, and I got my flu and covid vaccines a couple months ago... these guys are ruining flu season for everyone, not just themselves. Admittedly, I could be better about wearing my mask regularly, but I try to whenever I'm in a really congested train or spot.

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    even occasionally masking is better than nothing, it's breaking those chains of transmission! 💪

    unfortunately, the covid vaccine only really prevents the worst outcomes (hospitalisation & death) for about 4-6 months, it doesn't prevent transmission or long covid.

    i've got my fingers crossed for a vaccine that does prevent transmission or long covid, but in the meantime, wearing a well-fitted mask really does work!

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    Yeah I think it's my second time with covid, or at least symptomatically. Part of me feels like I may already have long covid, but the other part hopes I'm just imagining things...

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  • [–] 82 points 11 months ago (26 children)

    This is part of a larger anti intellectual issue that has been plaguing the U.S. for decades.

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  • [–] 94 points 11 months ago* (5 children)

    I have always related to this Isaac Asimov quote from 1980:

    There is a cult of ignorance in the United States, and there always has been. The strain of anti-intellectualism has been a constant thread winding its way through our political and cultural life, nurtured by the false notion that democracy means that "my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge."

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago* (3 children)

    my favorite part of lemmy is when i cite a government source and get told that it's wrong or doesn't apply or is fake.

    because feelings are all that matters, apparently.

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  • [–] 24 points 11 months ago* (2 children)

    If it's a source like the trump FDA, it probably is wrong, though...

    For example, Tylenol does not cause autism.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    democracy means that “my ignorance is just as good as your knowledge.”

    I've heard this used as an argument against democracy more times than I can count. Nevermind that vaccination is overwhelmingly popular or that the anti-vax policies have to be jammed down the public's throat.

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  • [–] 11 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago) (17 children)

    I know it's easy to shit on the US, but the per capita measles infection rate is higher in many EU countries than it is in the US right now. France, for example, had 744 cases from Jan-Jul of this year, Spain had 339, and the Netherlands had 474.

    US: 5.6 cases per million
    France: 11.2 cases per million
    Spain: 6.9 cases per million
    Netherlands: 25.6 cases per million

    And this includes several more months of data for the US than the other countries

    Source: European Centre for Disease Prevention and Control

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago* (9 children)

    Very interesting. I had a look at Ireland. Here's the historical graph

    Our lowest was 2015 where it was 0.4 cases per million or just two cases for the whole year. Generally it's hovering around 10x to 15x that with most of the cases among adult men.

    I've never actually heard of anyone with measles here. The health agency does follow up rigourously if your kid misses the vaccine in school because they were out that day or whatever.

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  • [–] 4 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ireland had 49 cases over Jan-Jul of '25, for a rate of 9.6 per million, 50% higher than the US

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Y’all do your vaccines at school? I’m so jealous.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    Doctor or health centre for the early ones but the later ones (boosters and HPV vaccines for girls) are all done in school yeah.

    They did flu vaccines this year in the school which I think is the first time.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    I'm in the states and my kids had the option to get their flu shots at the school this year. Somehow one of my kids was skipped despite us immediately signing and returning the consent forms.

    It does feel like it's very hit or miss whether or not flu shots are offered at the schools though. I remember getting the flu vaccine at the school just once and I never remember seeing lines or anything at any of my schools for flu vaccines the years I didn't get it at the school. I imagine they only do it when either there's special funding for it or the data says they especially need a lot more vaccination this year

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    I do wonder if a lot more measles cases go unreported in rural America where these outbreaks are prevalent. There are no doctors in rural America.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    There are no doctors in rural America

    Yeah this is false far more often than it's true. I live in a small town (the kind where ambulance and fire services are all volunteers) with nothing but farming communities and farm/hunting land surrounding me. I have 4 hospitals in a 30 mile radius, and more clinics than I care to count

    Yes there are some very poor rural regions of states where access to healthcare is a struggle, but they are the exception rather than the norm

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (2 children)

    There are no doctors in rural America.

    False. I doubt that anyone in America is more than 30 miles from a medical facility.

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I…don’t even know where to begin when refuting your statement. Do you have an example location or lived experience in mind when you say this?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Conservatives have been actively suppressing the teaching of Critical Thinking Skills for decades:

    The 2012 Texas Republican Party Platform, adopted June 9 at the state convention in Forth Worth, seems to take a stand against, well, the teaching of critical thinking skills. Read it for yourself:

    We oppose the teaching of Higher Order Thinking Skills (HOTS) (values clarification), critical thinking skills and similar programs that are simply a relabeling of Outcome-Based Education (OBE) (mastery learning) which focus on behavior modification and have the purpose of challenging the student’s fixed beliefs and undermining parental authority.

    https://www.edweek.org/teaching-learning/texas-gop-no-more-critical-thinking-in-schools/2012/06

    Critical Thinking Skills undermine parental authority. Can't have your kids getting smarter than you, right?

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  • [–] 60 points 11 months ago (7 children)

    I can’t believe Biden personally injected these people with measles.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago

    I'm Canadian even, and I've often spotted Joe Biden lurking around my home, hiding behind the bushes. He often carries a syringe full of what I can only assume is some deadly disease or another, and a large burlap sack with a question mark on it.

    I've noticed Joe Biden stealing jobs from my neighbours, which he places into the burlap sack, as well as money, babies, and other various items.

    I try to avoid him, and have thus far been successful, but I fear that one day he'll either steal my job or infect me with some deadly disease.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    My sister in law has a neighbor who flooded his home and immediately blamed the Democrats...I wish I was joking...

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  • [–] 41 points 11 months ago (4 children)

    While this is awful, it's also cherry-picked data. There were 1,274 cases in 2019, and 667 cases in 2014, for example. Last year in 2024 there were only 285.

    I suspect 2020, which had the lowest measles infection rate in the US in all of recorded history, was so low only due to covid and people isolating much of the year.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    When you look at the variability in cases per year over the past 20 years, it's clear you can't tie this back to one person. He's a total idiot who is going to make things worse, for sure, but the anti-vaccination movement on both the left and right predates his involvement in politics by many years

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Anti-vax on "the left"?

    [X] to doubt.

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  • [–] 13 points 11 months ago

    The modern anti-vax movement started on the left. The first notable measles outbreak in modern US history was in Marin, California which is full of crunchy hippies. You just didn’t hear about it as much because the left shuns their idiots instead of platforming them like the right does.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    Dude. The New Age crowd started all this, with their "all natural" remedies. California was at the center of the anti-vaccine movement prior to the right losing their mind about vaccines during Covid

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    [–] 34 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    So sick of living on clown planet.

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  • [–] 30 points 11 months ago

    Look at Fox News bragging.

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  • [–] 26 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Idiots! Percent only goes up to one hundred, dummies. Big pharma isn't even hiding it anymore...

    • antivaxxers right now, probably
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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    I know you’re clowning, but don’t forget that the actual fucking President of the United States tried to claim that drug prices were down 700% just earlier this month and that gullible swamp of sycophants just gobbled it up.

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  • [–] 9 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    Ivermectin? Bleach? Sulpheric Acid? C'mon you gotta get creative! /s

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  • [–] 17 points 11 months ago*

    Because the U.S. is now the country where the surgeon general of the Louisiana Department of Health can cause a whooping cough outbreak in Louisiana, get caught by local journalists trying to cover up the deaths of infants that occured, and then instead of being fired in disgrace from his state level job, he's promoted to number 2 at the CDC.

    You know how it's SOP in any merit based field where you really fucked up at the state level, and they send you off to do the same at a national level.

    https://www.npr.org/sections/shots-health-news/2025/11/25/nx-s1-5620991/louisiana-surgeon-general-ralph-abraham-cdc-deputy

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    I have no doubt that since this is on Fox News that Dems are somehow to blame.

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  • [–] 16 points 11 months ago (10 children)

    It happens when you abandon the actual science that God gave us to help humanity , and think that a shaman who's constantly gagging on cock knows better, and call this a devine religion, while inbread evangelical pedos cheering him on to keep gobbling

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  • [–] 20 points 11 months ago* (6 children)

    God didn't give humanity science lol. It's abandoning science for a god that put people in the bad spot.

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  • [–] 7 points 11 months ago (5 children)

    I see myself as mostly atheistic mixed with agnostic, and I think that you are missing an important point here.

    I absolutely agree that saying that God gave humanity science is incorrect.

    However, consider the end goal, it should be to have more people embrace science or at a minimum embrace scientific data, right?

    If that is the case, then I think we can make an argument that while God didn't give humanity science, he did create us in his image (according to the bible), we can use that to say that not only did he create our physical appearance in his image, but also our brains, giving us reasoning, which we used to develop the sciences.

    Thus embracing science could be argued means using our God given brains, and from that science is the ultimate achievement of God.

    Rejecting science in this context means throwing away the gift God gave you.


    This turned out way more philosophical and theological than I thought, but it is an interesting discussion.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (4 children)

    If you're a scientific you'll quickly debunk that "he did create us...". It's up to you to prove god created us at all, which you cannot of course.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago (3 children)

    Obviously, but consider the end goal i mentioned, what should the end goal be? Is any religios belief detrimental to science?

    I am an IT guy, and as stated before, I am mostly atheistic but also agnostic in some views.

    The largest of my agnostic views has to do with the big bang.

    I am no scientist, so I probably misunderstand it, but the way I have had it explained to me is something like this

    First there was nothing, then the big bang happened.

    And that is something I just can't wrap my head around, how can "nothing" explode?

    This is a point where I can absolutely insert a deity, something omnipotent could absolutely cause the big bang.

    If there is no such entity, then I tend to consider the thought that we might live in a simulation.

    In either case I don't believe that we humans living on this random planet is important enough that the world was created specifically for us, I just consider the big bang as possibly involving an omnipotent entity, the rest can be explained by science.

    But mostly I don't think about it at all.

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    First there was nothing

    That might be the cause of your agnosticism, here. The big bang certainly didn't happen from nothing; we're just not up to working out what it did come from, yet - and there's a chance we may never be able to know. But that didn't mean it came from nothing.

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  • [–] 1 point 11 months ago

    There is no end goal, thete is just us all living for a short period of time on this rock in space.

    Thinking that there is an end goal is what might lead you to think that then there has to be some reason behind ot all, and thus believe in god or something.

    Come join us absurdists! We know what's going on 😁!

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  • [–] 5 points 11 months ago* (1 child)

    It happens when you abandon the actual science that God gave us to help humanity ,

    Fucking nonsense. Let it go man, it's fairy tales. It's the exact magical thinking that leads to measles outbreaks.

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  • [–] 14 points 11 months ago (8 children)

    The answer to the OP's question is “this is what happens when stupid people elect a stupid president who appoints stupid health officials.”. The cure is simple, stupid people can't vote or at least stupid people can't be candidates.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    The biggest problem is money in politics. Money means rich people get their way.

    They want people just smart enough to press buttons on the rich person's factory floor but stupid enough to vote how rich person's news channel tells them to vote.

    There are probably enough people that aren't so stupid that you could educate them enough to vote in their interests if you can get to them against all odds. You just have to get through the social media algorithms and mass media blockade that are completely against change that would hurt their owners profit.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago (3 children)

    Who's going to decide who is smart and who is stupid?

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  • [–] 2 points 11 months ago

    The cure is simple, stupid people can’t vote or at least stupid people can’t be candidates.

    While I agree that in principle this would solve a lot of problems with our current setup, in practice the racists and idiots always end up getting control over who gets to vote and who doesn't, and they end up only allowing people they approve of to vote. It's been tried before and it failed spectacularly due to corruption, like most things.

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Yes, but how is this biden’s fault?

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  • [–] 10 points 11 months ago

    I wish other countries would ban muricans at the airport due to them posing a health hazard...

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  • [–] 8 points 11 months ago (2 children)

    RFK Jr would blame on people reading poetry or something like that. Probably just reading in general.

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    🎵Not very long ago, just before your time...🎵

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  • [–] 6 points 11 months ago

    “Autism causes measles, obviously, and Tylenol causes autism, so, ipso facto, Tylenol causes measles. Duh, it’s all so simple”

    I’ll just put /s right down here…

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    [–] 4 points 11 months ago (1 child)

    Are you "there yet", America? or are you going to keep waiting for the next calamity?

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

    Hmmm, who is making money off of Measles cases, I refuse to believe that this was done for entertainment alone. You don't even have to tell the truth, just be reasonable and throw me a line. thank you

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  • [–] 3 points 11 months ago

    Pedo supporters made this happen. Because they support a low IQ pedophile.

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