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[+] 25 points 10 months ago (6 children)
  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    But Google or Amazon isn't better. I feel like people aren't informed enough of these cases at all.

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  • [+] 3 points 10 months ago* (2 children)
  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    I just wanted to say that switching to another big company isn't solution. And even though they do not have such huge proportion of hardware devices, many people use Google or Amazon (or similar) to sign into many services or devices like security cameras, smart locks. And this really huge problem, when one company could lock you out of everything for no real reason. It should be much more regulated.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago

    I have an apple iphone but I back my photos up with Immich and passwords with firefox, Spotify instead of Apple music, Telegram, etc and I'm essentially isolated from the Apple ecosystem, if they lock me out of my account I lose pretty much nothing except the value of the phone

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  • [–] 9 points 10 months ago*

    It's almost like having a single point of failure, putting your entire digital life and livelihood into the hands of a single uncaring corporation, is a bad idea or something. wild!

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    [–] 15 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    The begging is sad too. "I'm special! I'm on your side! I'm one of youuuuuu!"

    The beast eats friend and foe alike.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Lest Android users (like myself) think we're immune, Google has been known to nuke accounts too, leading to a similar outcome.

    I've been trying my best to get out of a "one account for all" mentality - photo backups are probably the #1 problem for me right now.

    I've got the local storage, but I'm not sure about exposing immich to the Internet for photos access when I'm not at home.

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  • [–] 6 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Privacy should be guarded like gold, the royal jewels, priceless works of art, and democracy. Never give permission to others for control of it.

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    At this point doesn't he have grounds to sue? I know there was something in the license agreement, but that amount of money might be worth a round checking it out.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago

    Lol. Digital life.

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  • 35 comments in c/apple_enthusiast@lemmy.world view that post
    [–] 60 points 10 months ago* (2 children)

    In my experience, the best way to get Apple to listen is to get legal involved. I spent hours on the phone trying to resolve a laptop that was damaged by a certified service provider. Apple support was rude, they lied to me, they bounced me between departments. So I wrote one email requesting all the recordings for the calls with support. Immediately someone from legal contacts me, apologizes, and 2 weeks later I have a brand new laptop 2 generations newer in hand.

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  • [–] [S] 16 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Impressive. And perhaps also clever, depending on whether that was what you predicted would happen! :)

    And you never mentioned anything related to litigation, it was just a polite recording request? Maybe you mentioned the dishonesty, or kept it generic...

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago*

    Now that I’m thinking about it, I wonder if it was actually public relations and not legal. This was back when M1 was just coming out. Regardless, just ask them for all the call recordings and make them think you’re gonna do something with those recordings (sue, go to the press, etc.). It was crazy how their tone shifted immediately from we’re not gonna give you anything to how can we make this right.

    But maybe it doesn’t always work, as your Apple ID story was obviously published. Maybe it depends on who you get it maybe Apple is different today 🤷

    Maybe reach out to Apple with a link to the blog post, and ask if they would like to comment before you reach out to Gizmodo or something. I’m not a lawyer so don’t sue me if it goes badly.

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  • [–] 21 points 10 months ago

    I feel bad for them and hope they get their access back. Besides losing data that could have been backed up elsewhere, to some degree, having your hardware made useless and losing access to your digital purchases is expensive as heck.

    Something like this shouldn’t happen. Period.

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  • [–] 11 points 10 months ago* (1 child)

    It is worth highlighting that this sort of thing is not just an Apple issue. It happens frequently to peoples Google accounts, and probably Microsoft accounts, as well.

    The only sane advice to anyone is always have another copy of the data. Preferably locally, but in another cloud provider at least.

    If it only exists in one place you might as well be using the recycling bin to store you important data.

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  • [–] [S] 9 points 10 months ago

    Escalation to their buddies inside the company failed, that’s the wild bit in a huge way.

    Most interesting speculation was probably someone saying something about anti-money laundering laws more or less including gag order-style provisions. So if the gift card thing tripped a filter, then maybe no one at the company would be able to help, and at that point, I suppose they’d need to take it to the courts(?)

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  • [–] [S] 19 points 10 months ago (15 children)

    Food for thought:

    Hacker News comment thread: rvnx: "Lot of arrogant people here who think they are safe and better than anybody and blame OP. It is totally normal in today’s world to depend on cloud services and reasonably difficult to do without it. In China: no WeChat you are practically dead. […]" | Waterluvian: "I’ve interpreted it as a sort of head-in-sand coping mechanism for those low-likelihood, high-consequence events people feel powerless over. It’s less distressing to be powerless if you decide that the real issue was a fault by the victim and not a powerlessness you have in common with the victim."

    Always room for disagreement

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    This is actually a known psychological phenomenon called the Just World Fallacy

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  • [–] 5 points 10 months ago

    I'm quite prone to this. Even as I'm consciously resisting slipping into this fallacy, I can still feel that there is a pernicious and persistent kernel at my core that clings to the idea of a just world. For me, it is less about a moral kind of justice, more like a deep belief in some sense of underlying, teleological order to the world.

    I know that this is silly, in every way that it is possible to know a thing. And yet, I can't seem to sway that deep down part of me that devoutly believes that actually, everything makes sense.

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  • [–] -1 points 10 months ago (12 children)

    I mean I’m not in any danger of losing my personal documents because I have 3 copies stored on various media/services.

    I’m also not so heavily invested into any one media or software distribution ecosystem that I would be devastated if lost access to it.

    You aren’t powerless unless you make the choice to be. (Either intentionally or just out of not knowing the alternatives)

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  • [+] 3 points 10 months ago (11 children)
  • [–] 1 point 9 months ago (10 children)

    If you can afford apple products you can afford a back up plan.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (9 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (8 children)

    I would actually, that's the point. A backup plan is cheap. If you can afford a modern smartphone you can afford a backup plan.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (7 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (6 children)

    I'm not suggesting anyone gets a recurring subscription at all. You can buy the most dogshit pc or even something like an off brand raspberry pi and a $10 microsd card with hundreds of gigabytes of storage and have a permanent data backup solution. You can even skip the device if you're really struggling. Microsd cards are dirt cheap.

    Combine that with grabbing several free tiers of data storage like Google, Proton, mega, filen, etc, you can rack up hundreds of gigabytes of storage, each with its own account so if one goes down or you lose access you can have the same data on the others. This can be for maximum priority data but even for low priority you can fit a lot of data on 15gb if it's not all high quality photos and videos.

    And if I can reach a bit, even a 2nd phone is viable. Many phones are under $100 and they, at the bare minimum, "work" so one such phone can be kept as a backup.

    There are many, many ways to have a very cheap backup plan. It's more about logistics than storage, and only requires a little bit of thinking and planning.

    I was once in a place where I couldn't afford an extra $2 a month, like you mentioned. But I ALWAYS had a backup plan, and sometimes it was completely free.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago* (5 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago (4 children)

    Okay I think you're intentionally missing the point. If someone isn't literate enough to make a Google drive account they are going to have a hard time with more things than a backup plan. They might not even be able to use a smartphone at all. We can nitpick the reasons why someone can't make a backup plan all day. What if they have a learning disability? What if they're in prison? What if they have no arms?

    It doesn't matter. My point is if you can use a smartphone at a below-average level, without assistance, you can easily and affordably (free) have a data backup plan. If you can't use a smartphone at a below average level without assistance, you have much bigger problems than a backup plan and a backup plan shouldn't be one of your worries.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago* (2 children)

    I brought up the google drive plan because I know many people can't afford to buy a 2nd device. Not being literate enough to know you need a backup plan is beside the point.

    And I'm not talking about pictures here. Before smartphones (or digital cameras I guess) nobody had backups of their pictures. You got the one copy and if it was destroyed that's it. Unless you used film and bought 2 copies but that's beside the point. That's a very low priority backup item. I'm talking about documentation, paperwork, important information in text form, passwords, etc. Things that literally everyone who has feasible access to a smartphone likely has or needs. All of that can be stored on a 15gb free plan. Anyone who is literate enough to use a random smartphone can do that. Pdfs and text files are tiny. Even pictures of documents can be tiny.

    Not knowing you can or should do that is another problem entirely. I was once one of those people who was so poor the only screen I owned was a phone (and it wasn't even a smart phone). If you do not understand that you need to keep a 2nd copy of important information, whoever gave you that documentation or the government that created it is at fault. If someone ever says "do not lose this", it should be clear you might want to make a copy of some sort, physical or digital.

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  • [+] 1 point 8 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 1 point 8 months ago

    I'm not sure we're on the same page here.

    If someone can:

    • Create an email address
    • Check and read emails
    • Create accounts necessary to obtain a phone number
    • Create accounts necessary to install apps on a smartphone and use those apps
    • Navigate the smartphone UI
    • Navigate web pages to do all of the above ...then they can absolutely figure out how to use a free online account to upload important documents in case they lose their primary storage (i.e. their phone).

    Like I already said, if they don't know they NEED to do that, that's another problem entirely, and not really their fault. But I haven't met many people who don't realize those documents are important and need protecting. And I'm not talking strictly about affluent, educated, privileged people.

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  • [–] [S] 4 points 10 months ago

    I can imagine a world where big tech is proud of being so enticing, so invaluable, that a country codifies a right to use their kinds of services into law. - My two cents there on a different HN comment talking about regulating some service providers like utilities.

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  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (2 children)

    After nearly 30 years as a loyal customer

    This is why loyalty to companies is stupid and weird.

    Cause they don't give a fuck about you. They don't give a fuck about what you spent. You are a meaningless blip to them.

    Stop putting your eggs in one basket, and tying your entire on and offline life to a single corporate ID/Username/Account/Whatever.

    This is the price you pay for your laziness and "convenience"

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  • [–] 12 points 10 months ago* (4 children)

    Look this must really suck for them but god this is some peak leopard-on-face-action. Like yeah, this is the issue with the apple ecosystem; you're completely at the mercy of one uncaring amoral megacorp. It happening to someone who's shilled so hard for them, for so long, is a perfect demonstration of this concern.

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  • [+] 2 points 10 months ago (3 children)
  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago) (2 children)

    Sure, but this article is about apple, hence talking about apple.

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  • [+] 1 point 10 months ago (1 child)
  • [–] 0 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    ... This is the problem with the apple ecosystem, though? It isn't a problem unique to the apple ecosystem (though apple is the worst about tying features and services into a single ID) but you realize you're doing a whattaboutism in defense of a megacorp right?

    The topic here is apple, not google or M$ or samsung or etc, hence why I'm not discussing them. It doesn't devalue the other companies and their contributions to shitty business practices to not bring them up in every discussion about shitty business practices.

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  • [–] 14 points 10 months ago*

    Alternate headlines:

    “I put all my data in the cloud without creating a local backup, then complained when something went wrong.”

    “I could have emailed Tim Cook to possibly get this fixed, but wrote a blog post instead.”

    “I claim to be a programmer and Apple expert but for some reason don’t know how to create a local backup of my photos or important data.”

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  • [–] 1 point 10 months ago

    I use cloud services but I also have everything vital backed up in 3 places. It would suck to get locked out but I won’t lose everything because I don’t trust anyone that much.

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    [–] 13 points 10 months ago (3 children)

    6 years ago, I had a friend get his Apple ID compromised by an ex-.. He was effectively locked out of his laptop which he'd used his Apple ID to set up and sign in to. No recourse, so it meant that I had to do a full wipe and reinstall, and thankfully his music and photo projects were always religiously backed up to a pocket drive, so he lost nothing. At the point when he went to set up the newly installed OS, I insisted he use a password and NOT his Apple ID to secure the machine.

    From then on, I've made it a point to have family and friends NOT use their Apple ID for their computer login credentials. This guy's story only enforces my belief of the foolishness and danger of relegating one's data to a third party's cloud.

    If the guy in the linked blog had stored his shit locally - it's not like pocket drives are expensive - he wouldn't have gotten into such a nightmare.

    I learned the HARD lesson myself back in 2004 when an iTunes update went sideways and lost my entire music library. poof! into the void it went and I spent the better part of a week re-importing my CD collection to an external drive. Never again.

    Sucks for people that fall into these kinds of fiascos with cloud storage. Take my advice: Don't rely on it w/o having local backups.

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  • [–] 10 points 10 months ago

    It was always insane to keep everything in one ecosystem. The more they said it was for our convenience the less I believed.

    As above now’s a great chance to enact some privacy practicing backups.

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  • [–] 4 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    Do Apple computers not have a local account option?

    You definitely need a local copy of all cloud storage.

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  • [–] 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

    It does, but the setup dialogue that it runs when a new user gets a computer steers them to use the cloud almost exclusively.. which I hate.

    Tie that to the fact that the newer systems have soldered-in storage that isn't upgradeable without a soldering stations and a ton of horseshit with finding the right storage chips with the correct firmware and in the matched pairs and blah.. blahh.. blahh.. ad it's supposed to make the system "secure" but in reality it's about selling the cloud to users.. which I despise.. as it's made the machines all-but unrepairable and unupgradeable. We're back to the Michael Spindler / Gil Amelio "Performa" era of the early to mid-90's non repairable, ungradeable Apple computers, and it sucks.

    Tim Cook can't fuck off from the company - Steve Jobs personal blessing to be CEO or not - fast enough, IMO. (Apple computers have been hot garbage since 2012, which is why my newest Mac is a MacBook pro from 2010 running an unsupported OS install..)

    The whole "cloud" option started with iTunes in that there was a push to have users merge their personal music collection with the Apple Music streaming option, and grew from that point.

    It was so slick in it's implementation that back in 2006 - 2008 era when a lot of people finaly got rid of their PowerPC (RISC) Apple computers and bought Intel Macs - I had clients migrating ther systems ask me why they had to use the cloud for their music collections.

    To which I had to explain that no.. they did not and honestly, they really should back up their libraries to an external drive and THEN load it into a non-default location on their new machine. (I always suggest a folder at root level that is for the music library, there's something about the library NOT being in the default location that prevents iTunes from losing track of the files - which it could do.. and did to me. Once.)

    I could go on ad nauseam about this entire fiasco, so suffice it to say that the guy in the blog made a fatal mistake, but it's not like this hasn't been a long term drift of Apple's services itself. It's been 20+ years in the making. This guy isn't the first and for sure won't be the last, and it utterly sucks to see ANYONE in such a bind. I feel for the guy and absolutely loathe to see he got bitten like he did.

    So unnecessary but for Apple wanting to squeeze more money out of the users.

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  • [+] 3 points 10 months ago (2 children)
  • [–] 7 points 10 months ago (1 child)

    It's not just Apple though, is it? I suspect the vast majority of Windows users are logged in with a Microsoft account, and every Android phone uses a Google account. Sure, there are those of us who use Linux for our computers, and Graphene/Lineage on our phones, but we're a tiny minority.

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  • [–] 2 points 10 months ago

    You can use an Android phone without logging in to your Google account.

    I tried this a few years ago.

    And even if you do use an MS account to log into Windows, can they really lock you out of your own hardware? i use local account and I will never log into Windows with an MS account.

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